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[25-Sep-21 07:41 PM] saganaki#0000
.playchat Deimos


[25-Sep-21 07:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
Registered Deimos Global Site Owners to play back in this channel


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**Dover**:	Anyone got 2 BDE spare?


[27-Sep-21 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	still need?


[27-Sep-21 08:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	Yes


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[28-Sep-21 09:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RookSama**:	So I bought some Aluminium but nothing happens, not even a notice. But for overalls I get a fulfillment notice. Is that supposed to happen?


[28-Sep-21 09:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**derelict.**:	you can check the status of the order with CXOS -- usually it's because you didn't bid high enough to have your order fulfilled immediately.  what does the status of your order say in CXOS?


[28-Sep-21 09:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RookSama**:	Placed


[28-Sep-21 09:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RookSama**:	I see, im bidding for it


[28-Sep-21 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Buying O on the LM; fast service would be appreciated if anyone has some available!


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**Emperyan**:	What's with all the 1 AIC shipping contracts?!


[30-Sep-21 12:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**McCowen**:	Internal trading by FIOC


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[30-Sep-21 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Heading to ANT in an hour or so if anyone needs shipping. Have 149 t/m3 left!


[30-Sep-21 11:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Also, buying small amount of DW @ 73/u on LM (ran out) to tide me over, if anyone has extra!


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[30-Sep-21 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	Oh, looks like its election time again!


[30-Sep-21 03:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	I don't have any grand speech or promises. Rn ima just see when the tax comes in an start funding the SST, since it looks like Pio pop is getting close to 100% employment. Harmonia COGC is up and running, and repayment of the tax money I lent should happen over time.


[30-Sep-21 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SpaceWalrus**:	hey im also running for governer. mostly just as a troll. but hey might be funny


[30-Sep-21 03:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	you have my vote, good luck!


[30-Sep-21 08:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thea**:	eh, weve had worse elections


[01-Oct-21 01:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**dormeu**:	hey is this where they make thinnfoil hats?


[01-Oct-21 02:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	yes good sir, only fines quality alufoil hats, to block the dumbwaves coming from the NW Sector of the Universe!


[01-Oct-21 03:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**dormeu**:	^^


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[02-Oct-21 08:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	no one has AL to sell here?


[02-Oct-21 09:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**TheOtherSeid**:	The AL price on the LM is low enough it's worth it to go to the CX


[02-Oct-21 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	meh


[02-Oct-21 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	not interested in ppl who have 20 AL to sell either


[02-Oct-21 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	which is about what sells per day on CX at higher prices v0v


[02-Oct-21 10:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**TheOtherSeid**:	nobody should be selling AL at 400/u. Even the 450/u on the CX is cheap. Construction is still very profitable with AL at 500/u even


[02-Oct-21 11:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	tru available for 200/u on the lm


[02-Oct-21 11:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	if you want a large quantity lmk and can do bulk discount


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[02-Oct-21 04:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	AL at 400 is literally a 16 days ROI, better than doing just about anything in game atm


[02-Oct-21 04:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	but heh


[02-Oct-21 04:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	and that is without experts + COGC bonus keep in mins


[02-Oct-21 04:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	mind*


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**Madnewmy**:	heh I lied, extracting ALO is also sub 10 days ROI


[03-Oct-21 12:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Anyone making Glass locally?


[03-Oct-21 12:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	In other news, I'll be coming back tomorrow from the ANT CX if anyone has something coming back.


[03-Oct-21 08:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Scorus**:	I am making GL.


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[03-Oct-21 02:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	@Scorus cool... I'd much rather buy locally than have to travel for it.


[03-Oct-21 02:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Anyone need something back from ANT? The Orson Whales will be dusting off in about 4 hours.


[03-Oct-21 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LeChatGuide_inc**:	heyall :D


[03-Oct-21 03:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Welcome


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[03-Oct-21 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	o7


[03-Oct-21 06:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	30 minute warnin for last minute shipping from Antares CX


[03-Oct-21 10:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	I cant sell AL Mad, just not enough.


[03-Oct-21 10:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	the only people here making AL seem to be the players advanced enough to need it, so there is never any excess


[03-Oct-21 10:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	Wish there was tho


[04-Oct-21 02:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LeChatGuide_inc**:	heyall, I'm trying to get a GL up but it seems we ran out of LSE at the market, I need 6 of them ASAP. I placed a contract in the LM, but I'm open to comms if anyone's intrested


[04-Oct-21 06:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	yea im just gonna dump more SME


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[04-Oct-21 10:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I've been making AL... but I'm planning on needing it soon, lol


[04-Oct-21 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SpaceWalrus**:	Thank you to the 7 other people who decided that I was the best candidate in the election. You will all be remembered


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**Slomes**:	you are welcome :D


[04-Oct-21 04:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	does anyone sell GL or BTA here?


[04-Oct-21 04:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	would like to buy some


[04-Oct-21 04:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	@scorus was saying they make GL here


[04-Oct-21 04:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	With some GL I could make the GTA...


[04-Oct-21 04:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	*BTA


[04-Oct-21 04:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	so could I haha


[04-Oct-21 04:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	scorus always has his GL or LTA/BTA on the planet i dont need it at


[04-Oct-21 04:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	dunno how he does it


[04-Oct-21 04:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	I have GL


[04-Oct-21 04:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	250 of it


[04-Oct-21 04:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	I need to check my price calculator to find a price tho


[04-Oct-21 04:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	my guess is 250


[04-Oct-21 05:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	cool


[04-Oct-21 05:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	ad up


[04-Oct-21 05:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	:thumbsup:


[05-Oct-21 09:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	looking to buy 20 STL locally, dm me with price tag if you can do that within 3-5 days


[05-Oct-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I'll have it in a week if you still need it by then...


[05-Oct-21 12:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**derelict.**:	i'll have a couple GF up in the next couple days, only burning through about half of the output myself, but might toy with other glass variants with the rest.  tl;dr more glass on deimos soon


[05-Oct-21 01:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SpaceWalrus**:	going to ant station today, have room for 290 t


[05-Oct-21 02:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Anybody got anything they want shipped over to Hortus?


[05-Oct-21 02:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I've got a hankering to do some hydrogen hauling in system but would love no to dead head there...


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[06-Oct-21 08:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	I withdrew from election, so recast your votes! jelutz is willing to step up


[06-Oct-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Heading to Nike from Deimos, if anyone needs anything shipped let me know. Will leave in a few hours!


[06-Oct-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	empty?


[06-Oct-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	I can fill u up


[06-Oct-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	395t/m3 left


[06-Oct-21 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	LMA ZV-759c/5743


[06-Oct-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	gotcha


[06-Oct-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	I'll head out now then


[06-Oct-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	thanks!


[06-Oct-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	tyvm


[06-Oct-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	It's a good day for the trip -- ETA 10 hours


[06-Oct-21 09:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	you picking up LST?


[06-Oct-21 09:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Yup


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**SpaceWalrus**:	Vote SpaceWalrus for Governor and I'll build a planetary shield to keep out unwanted immigrants.


[06-Oct-21 10:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	sorry we want the technician immigrant


[06-Oct-21 12:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	ltb 36 TRU


[06-Oct-21 12:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	ad up on LM


[06-Oct-21 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Anybosy got some local C? I need 4 units for my current stack and I don't want to send a ship until later this week


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[06-Oct-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Paying CX price =)


[06-Oct-21 02:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	got it


[06-Oct-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Perfect thanks!


[07-Oct-21 06:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
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[07-Oct-21 08:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Anyone got any mcg for sale?


[07-Oct-21 08:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	I got 155 I can spare @ cx sell price


[07-Oct-21 08:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mikalai**:	how much would you need?


[07-Oct-21 08:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mikalai**:	can sell 500-600


[07-Oct-21 08:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mikalai**:	@22


[07-Oct-21 12:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**McCowen**:	Always have MCG...


[07-Oct-21 03:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Coming back from Antares with about 200t left in the hold, anybody got something coming back last minute?


[07-Oct-21 03:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	(and yeah, I know I said I wasn't going until "later this week"... so much for planning)


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[08-Oct-21 03:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	ANT => HOR run coming up in the next 12 hours if anyone has anything going that way


[08-Oct-21 03:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	what about deimos->hort


[08-Oct-21 03:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I could do a pick up


[08-Oct-21 03:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	only small, probably not worth it


[08-Oct-21 03:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	How small?


[08-Oct-21 03:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	just posted


[08-Oct-21 03:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Ah, that's not bad... covers some fuel costs.


[08-Oct-21 03:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	if you have excess space, i can fill but i won't pay that well for it


[08-Oct-21 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I have the space...


[08-Oct-21 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	how much


[08-Oct-21 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	And I guess I appreciate your candor? lol


[08-Oct-21 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Heh, if you're going to fly part empty then anything you get for it is profit. But i wouldn't fill with this as the sole purpose


[08-Oct-21 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	About 250 tons


[08-Oct-21 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Can you give exact so i can let FIDO do its job?


[08-Oct-21 03:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Yeah, that's why I ask now before I start flying...


[08-Oct-21 03:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	How much m^3


[08-Oct-21 03:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	307.93t /  152m


[08-Oct-21 03:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Sorry... 348 m remaining


[08-Oct-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	No buffer on the math


[08-Oct-21 03:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	is that ad right?


[08-Oct-21 03:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Seems to be!


[08-Oct-21 03:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	(here's where we find out I can't math...)


[08-Oct-21 03:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	it'll all be fine, i'm sure


[08-Oct-21 03:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	i have 0% faith


[08-Oct-21 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Ha ha!


[08-Oct-21 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	(I don't blame you honestly)


[08-Oct-21 03:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	faith will be 100% when the shipments get delivered though B)


[08-Oct-21 03:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	That's how it works! 100% faith imminent. Well, "imminent"


[08-Oct-21 03:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	:P


[08-Oct-21 07:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SpaceWalrus**:	running out of oxygen for my smelter. both ships are busy. if anyone has 4 spare I've put an ad up at 60 AIC/unit


[08-Oct-21 07:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SpaceWalrus**:	cheers, thanks for that


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[09-Oct-21 06:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	can anyone load the ADM buffer for Deimos?


[09-Oct-21 06:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	No, its failing to load for me too.


[09-Oct-21 07:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aldin**:	just spinning


[09-Oct-21 07:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	I'll be going to Antares in about 7 hours with plenty of free space. Offering shipsharing.


[09-Oct-21 11:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
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[09-Oct-21 01:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bant**:	anyone able to sell some LST for NCC or ICA/


[09-Oct-21 01:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bant**:	*?


[09-Oct-21 01:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bant**:	nevermind ^^


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[10-Oct-21 03:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bant**:	posted very small shipping contract from CX to Deimos


[11-Oct-21 05:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Anyone sell epo here on Deimos?


[11-Oct-21 11:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	I bought some from Lockreed a few weeks ago, probably imported from Griffonstone


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**SpaceWalrus**:	did the production fee go up for smelting or did i just not see it before?


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[14-Oct-21 06:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	I think production fees for metallurgy are a bit more than the others since almost the beginning, with current values the same since around CoGC construction


[14-Oct-21 06:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	welcome BrightHammer! glad to see you expanding here


[14-Oct-21 06:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	4x 1/2 load going to nike are up on LM if anyone is going that way


[14-Oct-21 06:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	and like 10x 50 LST @ 60/u


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[14-Oct-21 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	yea Metallurgy tax is higher cause Metallurgy cogc benefits


[14-Oct-21 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	and cause its the main industry of the planet, so taxing it more means more tax budget


[14-Oct-21 12:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Anyone got 10 RATs they want to sell me while I wait for my shipment? Apparantly base building is hungrier work that I thought...


[14-Oct-21 12:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Paying full CX ask


[14-Oct-21 12:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	gotchu


[14-Oct-21 01:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Man, thanks Slomes


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[14-Oct-21 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	What the going shipping rate for CX to CX?


[14-Oct-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Specifically ANT to HOR


[14-Oct-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Narhoxide**:	Currency value or the amount of fuel used?


[14-Oct-21 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Currency


[14-Oct-21 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	3-4k/load


[14-Oct-21 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	depends on how urgent/big it is


[14-Oct-21 01:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	small stuff moves at like 5-10/t or m3


[14-Oct-21 01:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	full loads might cost you more like 10k


[14-Oct-21 01:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Ok, thanks! Someone asked me "what my rate" was and I didn't want to tell them, "oh I like grab whatever's going my way"


[14-Oct-21 01:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	when r u going?


[14-Oct-21 01:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	I need stuff moved there


[14-Oct-21 01:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	In about 18 - 20 hours I got a turn and burn and I'd love to have a full hold!


[14-Oct-21 01:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	oh Ib have something super small :P


[14-Oct-21 01:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	,3t


[14-Oct-21 01:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I'll take it


[14-Oct-21 01:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	coolio, its on phobos atm but ill bolt to CX tonight and post


[14-Oct-21 01:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Perfect! DM me if you like when it's there


[14-Oct-21 01:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	if you have space coming back ill have stuff too probably


[14-Oct-21 01:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I will ping you when I'm on my way. I've got a few H hauling contracts I'll probably hit up while I'm there.


[14-Oct-21 01:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	So it will be a few days


[14-Oct-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Got another dum dum order in the LM for 25 DW


[14-Oct-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Who knew building  whole new production line would make everybody so thirsty?


[14-Oct-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	¯\_(ツ)_/¯


[14-Oct-21 03:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Thanks again Slomes! You're a life saver


[14-Oct-21 06:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	o7


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**Slomes**:	anyone selling TRU? looking for 41u, preferably in the next 5h :)


[16-Oct-21 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	alternatively 11u and 30u


[16-Oct-21 08:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	paying 250/u, ads up


[16-Oct-21 08:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	gotcha


[16-Oct-21 09:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	thanks rain


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**thejeffcooper**:	hello!


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**DiggingLake**:	Welcome :)


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**McCowen**:	High, buying a little emergency SF on LM


[17-Oct-21 11:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	are there C makers here that buy their inputs, or is everyone making their own agri supply?


[17-Oct-21 11:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	cause i make a lot of excess GRN, looking for takers


[17-Oct-21 01:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I was starting the run up to C farming but I could be convinced to just build an incinerator rather than a rig and farm for the time being...


[17-Oct-21 01:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	What kind of rates / amounts would we be looking at?


[17-Oct-21 02:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	amount is pretty much open end, price 125?


[17-Oct-21 04:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	120? And I'll take 50 today?


[17-Oct-21 04:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	sure


[17-Oct-21 04:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	sounds good


[17-Oct-21 04:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	up


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[18-Oct-21 10:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	Supply requests (RAT and OVE) on the LM


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[18-Oct-21 11:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Anyone have a couple FF they can part with? I'm a few short for a trip to ANT


[19-Oct-21 02:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**juzek14**:	sure, post a buy


[19-Oct-21 08:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	Anyone spare some RAT and OVE?


[19-Oct-21 10:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Anyone have anything coming back from the CX today? I seem to have more space left in the hold than I thought I would...


[19-Oct-21 10:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Hazard of flying metal and ore out I guess, I naturally assume everything is heavy as hell, lol


[19-Oct-21 02:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	I would have some shipments. What's your rate?


[19-Oct-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
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[19-Oct-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I'm not fussy for setting rates... I'll take the "standard" rates and we'll both be pros about it.


[19-Oct-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	If you need it fast or want me to wait for a bit, then add a premium ;)


[19-Oct-21 02:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I've got about 400 t / m3 left (I know, I know) so should be plenty of space for you.


[19-Oct-21 04:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	I've got a little bit of space left going to Avalon (and then possibly on to HRT) if anyone has small cargo


[19-Oct-21 04:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	where "small" is ~25t


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**Platypet**:	Hello Deimios ppl :)


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[20-Oct-21 05:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	o/


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[20-Oct-21 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Platypet**:	hey does somebody have some spare OVE? i forgot to bring them with me


[20-Oct-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	there is some on LM


[20-Oct-21 09:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Platypet**:	right... did not saw them...


[20-Oct-21 09:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	happens to the best of us :)


[20-Oct-21 09:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	also anyone selling DEC?


[20-Oct-21 10:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	How many you needing? I can do some on Griffonstone.


[20-Oct-21 10:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	need 1 kinda urgently


[20-Oct-21 10:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	I usually bought them at 10k but can see for pricing


[20-Oct-21 01:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	anyone need any LBH, BBH, BTA, BSE?


[20-Oct-21 03:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Load of steel heading to the CX... only about half full if anyone has anything going. Let me know in the next say, 5 hours.


[20-Oct-21 03:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	what price on LBH?


[20-Oct-21 03:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	and wanna sell that STL locally? :P


[20-Oct-21 03:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	2000 for LBH, got 7 on stock right now


[20-Oct-21 03:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I wouldn't say no to selling locally


[20-Oct-21 03:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I've got 24 packed up and ready to go


[20-Oct-21 03:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	heh too expensive for LBH for me tbh


[20-Oct-21 03:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	and sure gimme a price could take it all


[20-Oct-21 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	oh yea nvm it would be better for you to dumb STL on CX buys than what would make sense for me to buy it for


[20-Oct-21 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	dump*


[20-Oct-21 03:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Fair enough... I was going to say 22.5k... less than the CX but saves me a flight.


[20-Oct-21 03:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	yea my breakeven point on them would be 870/u so would make more sense for you to bring to CX in any cases


[20-Oct-21 03:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Fair ball.


[20-Oct-21 03:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Platypet**:	emper you dont read private conversation no? i would like to get something transported, how many space do oyu have left and how much money you take for this?


[20-Oct-21 04:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**StephanieDiamond**:	Hey peeps.  I just got a chat screen set up so I should be paying attention to this more.


[20-Oct-21 04:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	lots of discussions also occur on the community discord server: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


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[21-Oct-21 08:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LeChatGuide_inc**:	just curious, how much ALO does an extractor produces per day when they workers have all their basic needs covered ?


[21-Oct-21 08:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LeChatGuide_inc**:	thinking of maybe building one here


[21-Oct-21 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch


[21-Oct-21 08:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Platypet**:	LeChatGuide, are you aware of the rain's base planer. there you can plan everything. There you could also see how much ALO and extractor at Deimios produces per day with the different factors like experts etc. here a link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OPa0RJcCT3LTUs7eVmcw2tJwP5yZ3TsQBR07GufVIlU/edit#gid=1884208544

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[21-Oct-21 08:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LeChatGuide_inc**:	whew


[21-Oct-21 08:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LeChatGuide_inc**:	wasn't aware of that no


[21-Oct-21 08:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LeChatGuide_inc**:	thanks a lot :D


[21-Oct-21 12:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	also, PRUNer: https://github.com/Jacudibu/PRUNner

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[21-Oct-21 12:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	but putting an EXT on Deimos for ALO is almost always a good idea


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[21-Oct-21 09:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Broken_Marrow**:	Cogc just went on strike. Who do we call to fix it?


[21-Oct-21 09:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	Isn't that why we have a governor?


[21-Oct-21 10:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
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[21-Oct-21 11:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	So what happens with a strike?


[21-Oct-21 11:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	I think we just don't get the benefits until it's funded


[22-Oct-21 05:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	@jelutz


[22-Oct-21 06:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	RAT and DW were accounted for, as part of Harmonia loan repayment for its CoGC (Deimos paid electronics and some lfabs). PE and MCG were missing, and someone contributed those 6 hours ago, 4 hours after the due date.


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**Madnewmy**:	anyone got HE?


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[22-Oct-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	Only 922 available atm


[22-Oct-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	need some?


[22-Oct-21 03:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	yes


[22-Oct-21 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	post at 100+ w/e you want


[22-Oct-21 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	posted :) tyvm


[22-Oct-21 04:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Anyone able to do shipping HRT-> Deimos?


[22-Oct-21 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	What kind of time frame are you looking at?


[22-Oct-21 04:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	i've put the ad up


[22-Oct-21 04:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I'll see what I can do but if someone grabs it they grab it


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**infuze**:	hello


[23-Oct-21 10:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Platypet**:	hello infuze :)


[23-Oct-21 10:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**infuze**:	Im new.. can I trade on a local market instead of exchange hub?


[23-Oct-21 10:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Platypet**:	If you just started and do not have an Pro license, unfortunatly not.


[23-Oct-21 10:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**infuze**:	okay


[23-Oct-21 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Platypet**:	i mean you can try to accept a request. i am only sure, that you cant create one


[23-Oct-21 11:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Narhoxide**:	You need to have bought a PRO license first before you can accept or make a request. When your PRO expires, you get downgraded to BASIC, which allows you to accept requests.


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**Bobemor**:	No one fancies the shipment? :(


[24-Oct-21 03:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	your HRT -> deimos one? I fly that route about once a week, so I can grab it. any chance you can pay in ICA instead of AIC?


[24-Oct-21 03:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	*grumbles* yeah dine


[24-Oct-21 03:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	*fine


[24-Oct-21 03:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	remade the ad in ICA


[24-Oct-21 03:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	great, thanks! I'll grab it when I'm leaving (probably tomorrow) in case someone grabs it first


[24-Oct-21 06:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	anyone wanna sell some MCG sometime next week?


[25-Oct-21 01:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	I've got some and can produce some more. How much are you looking for?


[25-Oct-21 06:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	1.5-2k?


[25-Oct-21 06:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	I'll DM you


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[26-Oct-21 01:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	If anyone has PG I have an ad up on the LM -- 450 @ 19.1/u


[26-Oct-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	/sigh, I ran out of RAT/DW/OVE 24h before my resupply ship is arriving


[26-Oct-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	anyone have any they're willing to sell? I can replace it around this time tomorrow


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**Mumzhar**:	there are OVE contracts currently on LM. If you put order around CX price, there probably will people to fill them


[26-Oct-21 06:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	ads for RAT and DW up on the LM (10 each). above CX rate :)


[26-Oct-21 06:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	gotchu


[26-Oct-21 09:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	Much appreciated


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**thejeffcooper**:	just posted buy ads on the LM for COF.AI1 and PWO.AI1, again above market rate :)


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**DiggingLake**:	Wow, seems like there is another player influx. Welcome to Deimos :)


[28-Oct-21 11:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Platypet**:	welcome


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**Mumzhar**:	Welcome to Deimos! There is a discord channel to ask questions and coordinate: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


[28-Oct-21 04:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Welcome Deimonites!


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**Bobemor**:	welcome all


[30-Oct-21 08:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Platypet**:	welcome to deimios :)


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[30-Oct-21 11:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bant**:	Buying 1k PE on LM


[30-Oct-21 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	there you go


[30-Oct-21 11:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bant**:	thanks :)


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[31-Oct-21 05:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	Ey, I'm a newer player coming back after a long time gone. Is there a resource I could look for average prices of materials. Looking to buy some BSE for constructions,


[31-Oct-21 05:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	nvrm, I figured it out


[31-Oct-21 06:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Platypet**:	hey what did you mean exactly? if you want to get the average price you can look the the nearest Local Market which is Antares I in our case here


[31-Oct-21 06:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	Yeah, that's exactly what I figured out.


[31-Oct-21 07:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	Looking for someone to setup an order for me for 16 BSE, offering price at 21,200 AIC for it but am willing to be flexible on the price.


[31-Oct-21 07:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	I am buying btw


[31-Oct-21 07:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	@DoopyDoopz I got you


[31-Oct-21 08:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	Ey, thanks man. I appreciate it.


[01-Nov-21 06:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	Hey @DoopyDoopz welcome back. I dropped you a PM about the shipping contracts you picked up. Also if you haven't already, check out the UFO discord where most of us hang out to chat: https://discord.gg/dEyAyvM7


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[01-Nov-21 01:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tyzan**:	So I've been around a bit and I've got a stable operation going and seem to be making good money at this point. Not really sure what to do now.


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[01-Nov-21 03:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	Expand. Produce POPI goods. Participate in new infrastructure projects. Join a corp. Take a look at the community goals like the current Faction Expansion Challenge


[01-Nov-21 05:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MegaSaberEXE**:	And dare I say, help create a more prosperous universe..........


[01-Nov-21 05:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	a daring endeavour indeed


[01-Nov-21 05:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	yet, a worthwhile one


[01-Nov-21 05:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	lol


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**Michionlion**:	Welcome, everyone!


[03-Nov-21 12:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	o/


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**Madnewmy**:	load + 3x 1/2 load going to nike/phobos/307c are up on LM


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[04-Nov-21 06:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Platypet**:	hey guys, does anyone have some spare rat? i posted a buy i kinda forgot to get some for tomorrow


[04-Nov-21 06:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Got you


[04-Nov-21 06:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Platypet**:	many thanks mate


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[05-Nov-21 01:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	Hello lads o7


[05-Nov-21 01:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Knarfaction**:	hello im happy to finaly have a base here


[05-Nov-21 01:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	welcome!


[05-Nov-21 01:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	Glad to have you here, may we make Deimos prosperous :P


[05-Nov-21 01:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	Oh lord, I've been a fool. I haven't been keeping up on my RAT and DW. If anyone has any to sell, I am buying /urgently/!


[05-Nov-21 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	put some buys on local market if you have PRO. Else you will have to fetch them on CX (Antares station)


[05-Nov-21 01:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
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**Emperyan**:	Welcome everyone!


[06-Nov-21 10:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Carcissia**:	Thanks!


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**DoopyDoopz**:	O/


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**DoopyDoopz**:	o7 Good day Deimos


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[07-Nov-21 07:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	Welcome to Deimos! There is a community discord server to ask questions and coordinate: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


[07-Nov-21 07:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	\o/


[07-Nov-21 09:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	o/


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[08-Nov-21 12:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Need LST if anyone has any -- ads on LM


[08-Nov-21 12:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Thanks!


[08-Nov-21 12:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Also looking for PG if anyone has any locally :)


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[09-Nov-21 11:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	ayo im broke anyone got some odd shipping jobs that they need done?


[09-Nov-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**juzek14**:	counting me moneys


[09-Nov-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**juzek14**:	but seriously - always need more AL


[09-Nov-21 11:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I have some AL


[09-Nov-21 11:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	not a ton.


[09-Nov-21 12:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	I have some shipping jobs on LM KI-401d


[09-Nov-21 12:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**juzek14**:	shipping job - best job


[09-Nov-21 12:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	can't accept them unfortunately.


[09-Nov-21 12:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	lemme make a P rated one


[09-Nov-21 12:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	LMA KI-401d/187


[09-Nov-21 12:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	got it


[09-Nov-21 12:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	sounds good :) be sure u have enough fuel! :)


[09-Nov-21 12:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	yep gonna hit the CX real quick to top off then head out.


[09-Nov-21 01:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	ayo anyone need stuff picked up from the CX to Deimos I've got a ship with a load of space left for shipping.


[09-Nov-21 07:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	any takers? i got 400t of cargo space left open


[09-Nov-21 07:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	please. I need the money.


[09-Nov-21 07:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Sure I'll throw up some contracts if you haven't left yet


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[10-Nov-21 10:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Anyone have two BTA they'd be able to sell me?


[10-Nov-21 10:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Ad up on the LM if you're interested


[10-Nov-21 10:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	anyone need BSE locally before I send them to the CX? 880 ea; 5 available


[10-Nov-21 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	I do


[10-Nov-21 02:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	already sent them, sorry :(


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**DoopyDoopz**:	Lame, but alright


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[10-Nov-21 06:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	I've got some if you need them @DoopyDoopz -- DM me with your needs (or for better response time, find me on the UFO discord).


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**Slomes**:	I have put up 3 ads on LM paying 10k, to be delivered as fast as you can. I ask for max FF reactor, and at least 200 SF/flight usage cause i need it shipped over timely. Pay is accordingly high


[12-Nov-21 07:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	posted a buy for PE on the LM. Price at current CX Ask price.


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[12-Nov-21 07:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Urgent shipment (12 AIC/m3) ANT -> Deimos if anyone is going that way!


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**Madnewmy**:	tmrw morning


[12-Nov-21 07:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	and ill need a beer


[12-Nov-21 07:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Thanks :)


[12-Nov-21 07:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	I got you, just pull up a chair outside the factory xD


[12-Nov-21 07:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	:)


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**DiggingLake**:	Welcome back to Deimos: thought you’d gone from the game for good for a moment there :)


[13-Nov-21 07:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	No, my roommate was on my account and for some goddamn reason he liquidated my company. So I tried carbon farming for a bit, hated it and then I came back


[13-Nov-21 07:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	I'll probably stay out of FIOA for now though


[13-Nov-21 07:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	No worries: I wouldn’t recommend Carbon Farming on Promitor anyway, C is quite heavy to transport so its better done closer to the consumer


[13-Nov-21 07:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	Yeah, not to mention it's fairly slow to produce and I was really enjoying metallurgy


[13-Nov-21 07:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	But yeah, I'm running as Wild Dog Industries now


[13-Nov-21 07:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	Gonna try to work my up from before


[13-Nov-21 07:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Well, good luck!


[13-Nov-21 08:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	Thanks, if you wanna help out, I put some buy ads for stuff. All their standard market price.


[13-Nov-21 08:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	may your Smelting Enterprise be aluminious!


[13-Nov-21 09:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	lmao


[13-Nov-21 09:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	Thanks


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**DoopyDoopz**:	Good afternoon Deimos


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[14-Nov-21 04:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	There is a universal discord server for all things PrUn, feel free to join if you have not yet. Most of the talking and business gets done there! https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


[14-Nov-21 09:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	heyo anyone here got 2 BDE they could loan asap?


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[15-Nov-21 08:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	Flying over from ANT. Anyone need shipping?


[15-Nov-21 08:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	what's your rate?


[15-Nov-21 08:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I might have some stuff


[15-Nov-21 10:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	got two Orders up, 2 BTA each @ 900/u.


[15-Nov-21 11:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	What do we gotta do to get people to buy more steel?


[15-Nov-21 11:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	usually 5/t


[15-Nov-21 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mikalai**:	anyone having smth to ship from Deimos to Harmonia? Please post shipping contracts. Off in 1.5 h - almost empty this time.


[15-Nov-21 12:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	BTA order re-done now 700/u which is cheaper than CX bid.


[15-Nov-21 04:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
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[15-Nov-21 07:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	got a ship going to ANT


[15-Nov-21 07:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone need shipping?


[15-Nov-21 07:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	leaving in like, 30 minutes.


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[16-Nov-21 01:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	I have a ship sat idle for week, any recommended any shipping contracts?


[16-Nov-21 01:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	Check UFO if anyone needs something shipped.


[16-Nov-21 03:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	I can throw some fresh contracts up


[16-Nov-21 06:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	LM ANT


[16-Nov-21 06:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	10k trips to KI-401d posted all week long


[16-Nov-21 06:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	I will do a trip for 5k and 30 AR for myself


[16-Nov-21 06:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	if your shipping AR


[16-Nov-21 07:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	I have 200tn from ANT to here leaving in an hour if anyone is interested


[16-Nov-21 07:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	Hey


[16-Nov-21 07:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone here able to sell some FF?


[16-Nov-21 07:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	might've miscalculated some things and am like. 30 FF short of my destination


[16-Nov-21 07:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	I will have some in 10 hours


[16-Nov-21 07:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	@red_phoenix list it, and I will fill


[16-Nov-21 08:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	ope


[16-Nov-21 08:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	someone got it


[16-Nov-21 08:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	sorry


[16-Nov-21 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
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[16-Nov-21 11:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	put up a SF order on the LM.


[16-Nov-21 12:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
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[16-Nov-21 11:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	got ~250 space going from Deimos to ANT if anyone needs it


[17-Nov-21 03:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
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[17-Nov-21 07:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone got 1 BDE they could loan?


[17-Nov-21 07:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	repayment time of approx 17~ hours


[17-Nov-21 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	yes


[17-Nov-21 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**derelict.**:	lm offer up for 4 steel if anyone has a few to spare while i kickstart steel production


[17-Nov-21 09:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	tons of hauling up


[17-Nov-21 09:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	did you see my offer?


[17-Nov-21 09:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	ahhh yea but I never need anything that way unfortunatly


[17-Nov-21 09:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	the offer of cheaper haulage for exchange of a small amount of AR?


[17-Nov-21 09:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	oh


[17-Nov-21 09:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	no


[17-Nov-21 09:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	just DM'ed


[17-Nov-21 09:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	but you are basicly asking me to pay 1.5x over what I usually pay so no


[17-Nov-21 09:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	depends on what your selling the AR for, but if you have enough people accepting the shipping it is fine


[17-Nov-21 09:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	its been selling at 300-400/u on CX lately


[17-Nov-21 09:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	in the last 7 days there are 2 transactions, some for 200 and some for 300, I have enough for 2 weeks, so i will see where the price goes


[17-Nov-21 09:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	I would of had a stronger argument if 200 units had not sold at 300 2 days ago, while offered at 400, it never sold at that price


[17-Nov-21 09:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	still


[17-Nov-21 09:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	even at 200


[17-Nov-21 09:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	its over what I would have paid otherwise


[17-Nov-21 09:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	so I don't see the point of your offer, more trouble, for me to pay more?


[17-Nov-21 09:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	true, but it was only 1k more, which is less than the increase in fuel cost in the past week to make the trip


[17-Nov-21 09:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	I was one of the people who brought some at 300, so its good


[17-Nov-21 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	ayo


[17-Nov-21 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone here got PE?


[17-Nov-21 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	~~I should probably buy more than like, 600 at a time..~~


[17-Nov-21 09:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	im hauling 20k in but idk when it will get here


[17-Nov-21 10:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	should I just ask for CX price for PE or go higher?


[17-Nov-21 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	well got em on CX


[17-Nov-21 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	so yea can fill at CX + like 0.1 for hauling if thats fine


[17-Nov-21 10:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Anyone got 10 PG they can sell me? Apparently I can't math...


[17-Nov-21 10:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	Sure, I can help


[17-Nov-21 10:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	threw up the PE order.


[17-Nov-21 11:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Put up the order Kharadan and I'll pick it up right away!


[17-Nov-21 11:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	ah, ok, I was waiting for you :)


[17-Nov-21 11:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	on it


[17-Nov-21 11:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	there you go


[17-Nov-21 11:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	I included the add fees, that's why it may seem high


[17-Nov-21 11:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Except you set up a buy, lol


[17-Nov-21 11:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	damn


[17-Nov-21 11:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I figured, I'd let you set up so you could set the price :)


[17-Nov-21 11:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	this should be better


[17-Nov-21 11:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Huzzah! Paid


[17-Nov-21 11:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	:)


[17-Nov-21 11:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Many thanks!


[17-Nov-21 11:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**juzek14**:	anyone kind enough to spare 10 FTL?


[17-Nov-21 11:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**juzek14**:	LMA ZV-759c/8858


[17-Nov-21 11:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**juzek14**:	tyvm!


[17-Nov-21 11:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	np


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[18-Nov-21 07:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	does anyone buy AL from LM?


[18-Nov-21 07:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	does anyone want BDE?


[18-Nov-21 07:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I got a crate of fresh pipin hot BDE.


[18-Nov-21 07:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	dont have the cash rn but i'll pick up 4 at the weekend if you still have them


[18-Nov-21 07:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	any chance I could convice you to take them to Promitor where I can pay you in cheap RAT and DW


[18-Nov-21 07:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	as fun as that sounds I don't know when I'll have a ship avalible.


[18-Nov-21 07:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	I also have a ship going from ANT to HRT, 159t left, payment of 5pt leaving in ~10 hours


[18-Nov-21 10:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
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[18-Nov-21 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	Heya


[18-Nov-21 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	in qite urgent need of OVE


[18-Nov-21 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	forgot to buy more pants on my last supply run


[18-Nov-21 01:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**McCowen**:	Pantalons or Underpants?


[18-Nov-21 01:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	Booty Shorts


[18-Nov-21 01:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone here need BDE?


[18-Nov-21 01:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I've got some I'm trying to pawn off.


[18-Nov-21 02:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	hit up @aldin


[18-Nov-21 02:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	hes looking for BDE


[18-Nov-21 02:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aldin**:	bit poor atm :D


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**Emperyan**:	Did you get your OVE yet? I can spare 10 to get you by...


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**DoopyDoopz**:	Welcome new people o7


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[19-Nov-21 07:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	heyo


[19-Nov-21 07:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone here got CIS


[19-Nov-21 07:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I'm at Benten and like, 9 FF short of a trip back to Dem.


[19-Nov-21 07:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aldin**:	yeah I have CIS


[19-Nov-21 07:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aldin**:	hmm a bit late


[19-Nov-21 09:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	hey


[19-Nov-21 09:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	you still there?


[19-Nov-21 09:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aldin**:	y


[19-Nov-21 09:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aldin**:	what do you need?


[19-Nov-21 10:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	on deimoose want bfabs?


[19-Nov-21 10:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	yea, got any bses?


[19-Nov-21 10:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	yessir but I saw you just got 'em.


[19-Nov-21 10:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	yep


[19-Nov-21 10:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	also threw up 2 3 BDE orders and a 4 BBH order


[19-Nov-21 10:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	additionally I got some BTAs avalible.


[19-Nov-21 10:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	also threw up C and O buy orders. O is more urgent but some haste with C would be nice as well.


[19-Nov-21 11:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
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[19-Nov-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**juzek14**:	we got plenty of both


[19-Nov-21 10:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TyrionEngineering**:	do you guys have any MG AI1 and EXO AI1?


[20-Nov-21 03:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
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**Dover**:	@TyrionEngineering I have MG, but it's out QJ-650c, 3 jumps from here.


[20-Nov-21 05:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	heyo


[20-Nov-21 05:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone got RAT and DW


[20-Nov-21 05:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	that can be delivered ASAP?


[20-Nov-21 05:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	and possibly also PE?


[20-Nov-21 05:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	I'm buying some from ANT, depending on how much you need I can get some to you right away.


[20-Nov-21 07:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
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**Red_Phoenix**:	posted lm orders


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[22-Nov-21 01:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	got shipping from ANT to Deimos


[22-Nov-21 01:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	450 free tons of space


[22-Nov-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	I've got some stuff


[22-Nov-21 03:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	sick


[22-Nov-21 03:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	@MichionLion


[22-Nov-21 03:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	still got space


[22-Nov-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	I put up an ad and unfortunately someone else grabbed it.


[22-Nov-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Thank you though


[22-Nov-21 03:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	darn


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[22-Nov-21 10:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	posted a 1 ALO buy order


[22-Nov-21 10:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	if someone could grab that it'd be pretty swog


[22-Nov-21 10:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TyrionEngineering**:	@[MKM] Dover do you still have the MG?


[23-Nov-21 05:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	Yes @TyrionEngineering. Best to shout me on Discord if you can. Looks like our timezones differ.


[23-Nov-21 06:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	if someone had spare INS, I had ads on LM thanks


[23-Nov-21 07:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	arrives in ~h


[23-Nov-21 07:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	4-8


[23-Nov-21 08:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	great thanks


[23-Nov-21 08:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	o7


[23-Nov-21 08:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	any1 here need BDE?


[23-Nov-21 08:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	i got som


[23-Nov-21 08:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	freshly baked


[23-Nov-21 08:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	only slightly tastes like cancer-causing chemicals


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**SpaceWalrus**:	Got 100 units of aluminium for 300$/u if anyone needs any


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[23-Nov-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	ayone got


[23-Nov-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	1 ALO


[23-Nov-21 09:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	If you put up an ad you're sure to get it filled


[23-Nov-21 09:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	although the fees are definitely not worth it for just 1 ALO


[23-Nov-21 09:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	I'm doing a run to ANT if anyone wants a shipment


[23-Nov-21 09:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	I'm only P since I just restarted


[23-Nov-21 09:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	For a starter metal build do you guys recommend getting Rig or Col starting out


[23-Nov-21 09:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	how self sustaining should I go or should I just do ores, or should I refine too. any tips?


[23-Nov-21 09:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	@Michionlion I have 1 ALO short of a smelter run


[23-Nov-21 09:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	I got your ad


[23-Nov-21 09:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	In the future, it might be better (unless you're super cash-strapped) to buy a bit of a surplus so you have some materials sitting around; even if you produce ALO yourself, it never hurts to have a small stockpile.


[23-Nov-21 09:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	that can also minimize losses to fees -- you can always turn materials back into cash, at a somewhat reasonable ratio


[23-Nov-21 10:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	yep I had a surplus


[23-Nov-21 10:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I just uh


[23-Nov-21 10:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	was dumb


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**Bobemor**:	Can someone give me the run down on why we need a PAR?


[24-Nov-21 08:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	cause the CO2 emissions from our metal industry are heating up the planet and our wildlife is bound for extinction!


[24-Nov-21 08:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	It is the least we could do for the Deimoose population


[24-Nov-21 08:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	our near perfect room temperature won't last forever


[24-Nov-21 08:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	XD


[24-Nov-21 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I welcome citizen Slomes contributions to climate change and look forward to him ending his own Smelters so as to reduce his carbon footprint even further. I already have ended all of my extraction operations some months ago.


[24-Nov-21 09:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	@Artokun I would recommend more extractors first, sell the ore and use that money to expand. A single collector should be enough for a long time. You may buy C, or buy GRN or MAI and burn it yourself. EXT and INC use the same experts. And buy FLX as soon as possible.


[24-Nov-21 10:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
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[24-Nov-21 10:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	xD


[24-Nov-21 11:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone need ANT shipping?


[24-Nov-21 11:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	got a ship @ Ant


[24-Nov-21 12:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	My new farmers are throwing a fit about knee pads... any body got some PWO kicking around as a stop gap? Ad posted, just over market price.


[24-Nov-21 12:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	there you go


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**Emperyan**:	Thanks @Kharadan ! The farmers are much quieter now.


[24-Nov-21 01:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	How does one's name become green?


[24-Nov-21 01:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	u gotta be special


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[24-Nov-21 04:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	if you buy a supporter tier package (above moon i believe)


[24-Nov-21 04:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	It can also be Comet


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[24-Nov-21 07:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	There we go, thanks.


[25-Nov-21 11:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Wait wtf is night angel doing here


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**juzek14**:	fioc vs fioa beef?


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**DoopyDoopz**:	Happy Turkey day Deimos


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[25-Nov-21 07:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	heyo Deimos friends


[25-Nov-21 07:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone here able to loan out like 200 - 500 AIC?


[25-Nov-21 07:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I might've amde a small accident involving travel destinations.


[25-Nov-21 07:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	and the amount of money I have.


[25-Nov-21 07:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	and am now too broke to make an LM ad to sell my stuff.


[25-Nov-21 07:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
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[25-Nov-21 07:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	What are you trying to sell?


[25-Nov-21 07:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	BDE


[25-Nov-21 07:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I've got 2 done, and 2 more like, 5 hours out


[25-Nov-21 07:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Do you have any raw resources or something smaller? I’ll happily make a 200-500 AIC ad with a long fulfilment time to help you out, but don’t really want to end up paying market rates for BDE I have no real use for.


[25-Nov-21 07:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I've got ALO and AL


[25-Nov-21 07:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I could sell a few AL


[25-Nov-21 07:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Ad is up for 10 ALO with a delivery time of 10 days. That should give you enough to do stuff, at least (and since I’m an ALO producer anyway won’t be sat around in my inventory being awkward, unlike AL or BDE).


[25-Nov-21 07:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	cheers


[25-Nov-21 07:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	No problem :)


[25-Nov-21 07:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	AL makes me go poggers


[25-Nov-21 08:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	<3


[25-Nov-21 08:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	AL is life


[25-Nov-21 08:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	ALO is better: it’s got those extra crunchy rock parts in that really adds to the flavour. :)


[25-Nov-21 08:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	you gotta mix em half and half


[25-Nov-21 08:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	AL for the soft baked in Oxygen and Carbon taste


[25-Nov-21 08:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	and the crunchy ALO


[25-Nov-21 08:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	Oh uh... I just use the aluminum to cover my actual food....  O_o


[25-Nov-21 08:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Ah, hiding it in plain sight I see: probably not a bad call if everyone else has resorted to eating metal ;)


[25-Nov-21 08:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	The trick I use is to flood the room with Hydrogen while the workers eat: really cuts down on the food consumption costs, and you don’t get any complaints afterwards about the quality of the food either :)


[25-Nov-21 08:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	you wrap it in AL


[25-Nov-21 08:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	and then bite


[25-Nov-21 08:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	it's like the skin on chicken'


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[28-Nov-21 10:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LegenDAirie**:	Hello! I'm in a bind, I need a days worth of drinking water and basic rations. 8 of each. anyone able to help out?


[28-Nov-21 10:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**SpaceWalrus**:	if you have pro and can put up orders on the market i can sell seom to you


[28-Nov-21 10:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**SpaceWalrus**:	if not, im sure others will see it today and help you out


[28-Nov-21 10:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LegenDAirie**:	Ok!  let me try that now


[28-Nov-21 10:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LegenDAirie**:	I don't have enough AIC, but I do have ICA


[28-Nov-21 10:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LegenDAirie**:	waiting for Basic Bulkheads and Mineral Construction Granulatee to sell


[28-Nov-21 10:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**SpaceWalrus**:	Hmm, might have to wait for a pro user to help you out


[28-Nov-21 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**derelict.**:	if you sell a single BBH to the highest bid you should have enough for your ads


[28-Nov-21 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LegenDAirie**:	Cool someone just bought my 2 BBH


[28-Nov-21 10:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LegenDAirie**:	Ok I put up 2 buy orders on the LM for 8 drinking water and 8 basic rations


[28-Nov-21 11:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**derelict.**:	there you go


[28-Nov-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LegenDAirie**:	Thank you!


[28-Nov-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**derelict.**:	np


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[28-Nov-21 05:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	If anyone is flying back from ANT I've got a couple little space fillers on the LM


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[28-Nov-21 09:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	If anyone produces AL locally and wants to make a quick buck, I've got two ads for 100 AL each on the LM


[28-Nov-21 10:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Also, in emergency need of RATs, if anyone has a few extra would be amazing! Ad on LM (for 60 each)


[28-Nov-21 10:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**derelict.**:	got your emergency RAT


[28-Nov-21 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Thanks!


[29-Nov-21 03:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
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**DiggingLake**:	What is happening with this election? Are you planning on running, @jelutz77?


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[29-Nov-21 10:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Anybody got 1 AL they want to sell me?


[29-Nov-21 10:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	And I know, I know, how does a metals company run out of aluminum on a planet made of the stuff?


[29-Nov-21 10:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Cutting it too close I tell you


[29-Nov-21 10:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	if you put up an ad for 300 I got you


[29-Nov-21 10:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Perfect thanks!


[29-Nov-21 10:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	No problem, anytime


[29-Nov-21 10:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	ikr, how on earth does that happen? I can't walk out the door without tripping over a pile of ALO


[29-Nov-21 10:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Lol right?


[29-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I retooled for steel for a bit and sold some excess AL. Turns out it wasn't excess


[29-Nov-21 10:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	was it at least steel? xD


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**Emperyan**:	People don't want to pay for my steel... yet ;)


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**Bobemor**:	that's one big currency movement pluck!


[29-Nov-21 02:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	ill buy STL


[29-Nov-21 02:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	or FEO


[29-Nov-21 02:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	depends on ur price tho


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**Emperyan**:	I'm trying to keep the price of steel above 1k... and do you want FE or FEO?


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**Red_Phoenix**:	is it worth getting a COL for smelting purposes?


[29-Nov-21 08:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DanX**:	I would suggest using one of the player made tools (Rain's sheet or FIO planet search) to check the extraction rate so you can figure out if the investment makes sense.


[29-Nov-21 08:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DanX**:	https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch


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**Red_Phoenix**:	man i don't wanna do math.


[29-Nov-21 09:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I built one, but it was mostly because I hated having to buy oxygen, lol. Now I have enough for my smelting and I bring it to the CX as filler for "free money"


[29-Nov-21 09:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I'm kind of in your "don't wanna do math" lane.


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**Bobemor**:	PrUn is a strange game if you don't want to do maths!


[30-Nov-21 06:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	My tip would be to do some broad calculations. There's a lot of actions which are very clearly broadly profitable with even very quick sums. If you want to make optimal plays and such then you will need to devote a lot of time to calculations. But ultimately the key to being wealthy in PrUn is staying power.


[30-Nov-21 06:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	tbh with the amount of prebuilt community resources available there's very little maths left that the user needs to do


[30-Nov-21 06:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	and I for one am very grateful for those resources, so helpful


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**Scorus**:	I tell my friends that PrUn is for people that don't already have enough spreadsheets in their life.


[30-Nov-21 11:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	or a first toedip into spreadsheets


[30-Nov-21 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	gateway spreadsheets


[30-Nov-21 04:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	just posted an urgent-ish shipping order on the LM. If anyone has a ship sitting around and wants 1750AIC, go grab it :)


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**Dover**:	Anyone got a few FE or FEO?


[01-Dec-21 09:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	can do 7 feo or a few FE. post a fair rate so I don't have to look it up


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**Red_Phoenix**:	wooo


[01-Dec-21 09:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	we got a Park


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**DanX**:	🎉🥳🎊


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[01-Dec-21 11:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Anyone producing HMS locally? Could use a few.


[01-Dec-21 12:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	FEO: lots of them on LM ZV-759b a few hours away from Deimos


[01-Dec-21 12:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	HMS: Nilitys is producing some right now on Phobos. The other producer I'm aware of is also on Phobos


[01-Dec-21 01:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Thanks!


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**mikalai**:	anyone can spare 3x HSE?


[02-Dec-21 07:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone here need BBH or BSE?


[02-Dec-21 07:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	I can take 2 BBH


[02-Dec-21 07:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	cool I'll post an ad


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**Michionlion**:	@mikalai I can make 3 HSE for you; it'll be a day or so though.


[02-Dec-21 03:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	got 1 O left, put up 5x100O@70/u ads


[02-Dec-21 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Sounds like I need to keep my O2 extras here instead of using them for CX cargo filler ;)


[02-Dec-21 04:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone want bfabs?


[02-Dec-21 04:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	trying to see if I can sell them off before I make a cx run?


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**Emperyan**:	Got any BDEs or BSEs?


[02-Dec-21 05:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Picked up one of your BSE orders


[02-Dec-21 05:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bant**:	bulk AL ad up @ 200/u


[02-Dec-21 07:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	thanks!


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**Aldin**:	anyone has some SIO? I put a small ad up for premium price


[03-Dec-21 06:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bant**:	some ALO posted @ MM buy price ^^


[03-Dec-21 06:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	SIO filled :)


[03-Dec-21 06:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aldin**:	tyvm


[03-Dec-21 07:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	heyo just posted DW order on LM


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[03-Dec-21 01:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	looking to buy 2 BBH and 1 BDE


[03-Dec-21 01:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	oh man, also like 20 DW and 20 RAT if you can spare it. built some buildings and it ate up my reserves


[03-Dec-21 01:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	If you put up ads I can fill them


[03-Dec-21 01:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	sticking with the CX price would be fine


[03-Dec-21 01:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	posted


[03-Dec-21 01:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	I did the ask prices


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[04-Dec-21 05:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SpaceWalrus**:	anyone selling limestone?


[04-Dec-21 05:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	how much do you want?


[04-Dec-21 05:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	I put a few hundreds on LM


[04-Dec-21 09:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SpaceWalrus**:	thanks, just picked up a 50


[05-Dec-21 06:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	im buying all that glass if you make it into one ad


[05-Dec-21 06:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	@dez


[05-Dec-21 06:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aldin**:	:D


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**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone want ALO?


[05-Dec-21 04:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	got 100 for sale


[05-Dec-21 04:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Anybody got some FTL fuel bunkered here? I could use about 165 and would like to save the trip to the CX


[05-Dec-21 04:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Willing to pay in ICA at par


[05-Dec-21 04:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	(for reasons)


[05-Dec-21 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**derelict.**:	ad up for a little DW to tide me over until i can get a ship here, if anyone has some to spare :)


[05-Dec-21 06:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	filled DW order


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**Artokun**:	Posted a small RAT order if sanyone can swing it


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**alucard998**:	posted ff for you, emperyan


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**Red_Phoenix**:	any1 want ALO?


[06-Dec-21 09:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	running out of drinking water, and no cash, someone want to buy some of my spare RAT/AL/ALO/PE/C?


[06-Dec-21 09:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	only need 40 to tide me over to the next ship comes in


[06-Dec-21 09:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	nvm found an old buy order to cancel to free up cash


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**Artokun**:	Feeding the Stars corp singlehandedly keeping my colony alive


[06-Dec-21 03:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Anytime :)


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**Emperyan**:	Welcome new Deimosians, um Deimonites, er new folk to Deimos


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[07-Dec-21 11:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Anyone making PE locally? I would love to buy as much as you can make!


[07-Dec-21 11:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	I am making PE, currently only have couple k on stock, but production lines are chugging


[07-Dec-21 11:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	I DM'd you


[07-Dec-21 01:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	if anyone has a few O to spare, I just put an ad on the LM


[07-Dec-21 01:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	I got you, now you can breath again ;)


[07-Dec-21 01:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	many thanks!


[07-Dec-21 01:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	just did a bunch of construction and forgot that my COL wouldn't immediately produce O for my SMEs to use :P


[07-Dec-21 01:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	hey


[07-Dec-21 01:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	does anyone here carbon farm for their own smelters?


[07-Dec-21 01:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	if yes, how muc do you make on average carbon farming?


[07-Dec-21 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	I do, but I just built the smelters. Previously I've been carbon farming and shipping it off-world to my other base


[07-Dec-21 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LunarSystem**:	i just started at that. Is there an association of carbon farmers here?


[07-Dec-21 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	carbon is slow, but always needed


[07-Dec-21 02:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	resource extraction bases on Deimos focusing on ALO and C can work very well, as long as you don't farm your crops on Deimos


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**Erix_123**:	Started out as a carbon farmer not too long ago and I think I've been earning around 12000 AIC every two weeks just from carbon and selling on the markets


[07-Dec-21 05:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Erix_123**:	The price looks like it's been dropping though, so I'm looking to try to find ways to consume it myself instead of selling it though


[07-Dec-21 05:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Erix_123**:	Also for everybody, are the education events something recently introduced? And how would people feel about switching to increased efficiency for pioneers rather than metallurgy?


[07-Dec-21 07:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DoopyDoopz**:	AL for da win


[07-Dec-21 08:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	extract ALO, collect O, buy FLX and use your C for AL, and use your AL for bfabs with PP2


[07-Dec-21 08:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	10% bonus is almost always worse than 25% bonus on a production type. Deimos is the current AL capital and metallurgy is one of the best option.


[07-Dec-21 08:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	all options are available via the Chamber of Global Commerce (COGC ZV-759c). Results is decided by votes from PRO players, with different weights based on population


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**Nirces**:	I would prefer construction over Metallurgy, AL price has half-ed in the last month


[08-Dec-21 05:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	on a side note can I interest anyone with 100 O 20% less than CX price, currently on LM


[08-Dec-21 07:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	We already have a local Construction COGC, on Nike.


[08-Dec-21 07:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Narhoxide**:	Is it more profitable to deliver AL to other CXs, considering the fuel cost?


[08-Dec-21 07:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	depends on how much AL yyou have


[08-Dec-21 08:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	No, not really: there isn't that big a price disparity for AL and its not particularly easy to ship. Add in dealing with multiple currencies and you are much better off selling locally.


[08-Dec-21 08:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	An argument could be made for shipping ALO, but if you are trading across CXs you are probably better off doing it with higher value goods.


[08-Dec-21 08:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	You can run PP2s here to make bfabs.  They looks fairly profitable to me.  Most AL isn't traded, it's the bfabs and lfabs that are traded.


[08-Dec-21 08:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	This is why I never really care what the price of AL is


[08-Dec-21 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	shit is also much cheaper on other CXs, especially stuff like rat/dw on HRT. Really depends on how you want to manage your ressources


[08-Dec-21 08:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	but yea BSE/BBH are much easier to transport and cash dense, much better thing to base yourself out of


[08-Dec-21 12:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bootlessrain**:	Does anyone have 20 glass?


[08-Dec-21 02:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Scorus**:	GL ad up


[08-Dec-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Anybody got anything going to Antares Station? I'm leaving in about an hour. Hit me up.


[08-Dec-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	No package too small. No payment too high.


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**Aldin**:	I got a tiny one


[08-Dec-21 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aldin**:	up on Deimos


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**alucard998**:	200t posted. Thanks!


[08-Dec-21 05:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	i got -1t package going ANT


[08-Dec-21 05:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	and i want money for it!


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**Emperyan**:	Coming back from ANT in a bit... don't let me fill up my hold with coffee!


[09-Dec-21 12:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	It's really not great for PIOs in sealed suits no matter what they tell you


[09-Dec-21 12:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	posted 158t


[09-Dec-21 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Got it!


[09-Dec-21 03:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Last call for ANT => DEI


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**Bobemor**:	Anyone got any pe? Looking for 1-2k


[10-Dec-21 08:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	I can help


[10-Dec-21 11:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	heyooo


[10-Dec-21 11:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone need shipping from ANT?


[10-Dec-21 12:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aldin**:	Hi, small firesales ads up trying to abandon the planet. Listed a bunch of good at 60-70% CX price


[10-Dec-21 12:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aldin**:	several F ads and a TRU ad, my ship is going back and forth to ANT so limited offer until it gets back to pick some more


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**Emperyan**:	Pleasure doing business with you Aldin


[10-Dec-21 01:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aldin**:	just trying to get rid of stuff, ty :)


[10-Dec-21 01:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	big C dump on LM for 250/u


[10-Dec-21 02:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Leaving Deimos, seems suspicious


[10-Dec-21 02:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aldin**:	way too far from my other bases :)


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**alucard998**:	Slomes, you leaving too?


[10-Dec-21 03:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	`kick slomes


[10-Dec-21 05:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	naw im still here for now...


[10-Dec-21 05:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	guards! oh wait nvm


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**mikalai**:	have 2 lucrative shipping contracts up - deimos to hortus and benten @8k full cargo


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**Artokun**:	picked up and shipping to benten


[11-Dec-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	can someone post DW? My workers are thirsty! I also have a buy order for 100


[11-Dec-21 04:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	damn :( should have done my research it's 11k in FTL fuel round trip to benten from deimos


[11-Dec-21 04:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	anyone want anything from benten on my way back. Otherwise the only cargo I'll have in there are my tears


[11-Dec-21 05:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	:,)


[11-Dec-21 07:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	Doing ant to Deimos soon


[11-Dec-21 10:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Scorus**:	Have you left BEN yet?


[12-Dec-21 12:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	I've got some shipping benten to deimos


[12-Dec-21 12:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	I'll set up ads in the morning


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**Bobemor**:	I'm nearly down to half the techs I had a few weeks ago (:


[12-Dec-21 11:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**derelict.**:	can't tell if you're pleased or upset about that.  techs are growing very, very slowly for me.  at 46/80, and that's taken a few weeks


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[12-Dec-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	it was just there was an explosion of demand 2-3 weeks ago. Tech growth is fine but demand just suddenly spiked


[12-Dec-21 11:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	I'm still in Ben, looking forward to some shipping contracts back to Deimos


[12-Dec-21 11:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	I'm waiting for my money to finish exchanging so I can buy FTL fuel


[13-Dec-21 12:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	Oh yeah! Thanks for the reminder. I put up about half a ship on deimos lm, paying in cia for your fuel


[13-Dec-21 02:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mikalai**:	@Artokun, +one BEN->DEI load from me up on LM to fill you up to the full cargo!


[13-Dec-21 03:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
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**Artokun**:	thanks guys!


[13-Dec-21 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	picked up from benten


[13-Dec-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	I still have half a ship's worth of space still if anyone wants more stuff shipped. im still waiting on 2 more k of FTL CIS before I can depart


[13-Dec-21 02:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Scorus**:	I have a half ship load ad up on the BEN LM.


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**mikalai**:	To whom it may concern: a full shipload of steel available on LM


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**Emperyan**:	Anybody got something coming back from ANT? I've got a hold full of lux consumables and textiles that I've tucked into the glovebox so I've got some space is what i'm saying...


[14-Dec-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	sure. Posted


[14-Dec-21 03:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Uh, ok... so not *that* much space I guess. Like not 400t...


[14-Dec-21 03:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	reposted


[14-Dec-21 04:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Lol, thanks. That'll work.


[14-Dec-21 08:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	panic ove up


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**Bobemor**:	Even fewer techs today -.-


[15-Dec-21 09:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	posted a bunch of basic consumable buys


[15-Dec-21 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	forgot to check my stock before a new building and completely ran out.


[15-Dec-21 10:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	Anyone want to buy some AU.AI1?


[15-Dec-21 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	depends on price


[15-Dec-21 12:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	im heading to deimos with the benten cargo finally... @mikalai, the contract will breach as the delivery will be late


[15-Dec-21 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
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[15-Dec-21 01:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone abel to take up that 100 DW buy order?


[15-Dec-21 02:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**derelict.**:	i just added one myself, so if anyone's at the station it might be nice to pickup some extra for the thirsty masses


[15-Dec-21 02:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**derelict.**:	also i forgot carbon, so i put an ad up for that in case anyone's got some extra


[15-Dec-21 02:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	here you go, water straight from Harmonia


[15-Dec-21 02:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**derelict.**:	thank you deimosi friends!


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**Red_Phoenix**:	shipping avalible from ANT station


[16-Dec-21 07:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	leaving in a few hours


[16-Dec-21 12:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	anyone need SI or should I stop making it


[16-Dec-21 12:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	just focus on AL


[16-Dec-21 01:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	I posted some AL @300 in 20/batch


[16-Dec-21 01:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
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[16-Dec-21 01:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone here in need of Bfabs?


[16-Dec-21 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I've got all kinds


[16-Dec-21 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	bfabs shaped like cubes, bfabs you can see through, bfabs you can stand on.


[16-Dec-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	I just bought 300 SI on CX not so long ago


[16-Dec-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	I need it but on phobos :D


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**Nirces**:	Can i trade you some coffee for BDEs?


[17-Dec-21 06:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	anyone want to buy coffee?


[17-Dec-21 06:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	what're you selling at?


[17-Dec-21 06:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	295


[17-Dec-21 06:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	sure, i can take 30 @ 295/u, i'll put up a buy


[17-Dec-21 06:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	ta


[17-Dec-21 06:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	also have O and ALO for sale, open to offers


[17-Dec-21 06:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	are you still looking for BDE?


[17-Dec-21 06:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	I can take ALO as collateral


[17-Dec-21 07:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	sure, explain how that would work


[17-Dec-21 07:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	I have 70 spare ALO, 140 O


[17-Dec-21 07:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	nvm


[17-Dec-21 07:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	I messaged you on discord, but if you already have it covered, no problem


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**Nirces**:	theres a Buy order up for 7 BDE @ 7k, off to work now, I will up it 10% if not accepted in 10 hours  :)


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**Michionlion**:	If that hasn't been accepted I can do it


[18-Dec-21 07:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**derelict.**:	ad up for a little PE if anyone's got some to spare


[18-Dec-21 09:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	posted 50 C buy


[18-Dec-21 09:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	for 360/u


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**Erix_123**:	If you're building a base on a new planet, do you need to provide the supplies for the core module first?


[19-Dec-21 12:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Carcissia**:	yes, you need core module materials (including MCG, etc.) at the planet in order to "Build Base"


[19-Dec-21 01:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Anybody got some spare OVE laying around? Dont' feel like flying back from ANT with just coveralls in my hold...


[19-Dec-21 01:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	I can help, how many do you need?


[19-Dec-21 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	20?


[19-Dec-21 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	I can do that


[19-Dec-21 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	You are a star!


[19-Dec-21 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	will you post an ad, or should I?


[19-Dec-21 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	You post so you can set the price. I won't quibble =)


[19-Dec-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Don't forget to add some to offset the posting cost!


[19-Dec-21 01:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	it's up


[19-Dec-21 01:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	this time I even remembered to make it sell :)


[19-Dec-21 01:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Ha Ha! I do that all the time


[19-Dec-21 01:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	A pleasure doing business with you!


[19-Dec-21 01:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	same here :)


[19-Dec-21 01:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Now my smelt plant operators can quit complaing about getting dirty, lol


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**Red_Phoenix**:	posted a 200 DW Buy and a 200 RAT buy


[20-Dec-21 12:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	posted a 40 LST buy on LM if anyone has any spare


[20-Dec-21 07:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	heyo anyone on deimos in need of cheap, low quality bfabs made by underpaid wageslaves?


[20-Dec-21 07:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	because I've got em!


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**SpaceWalrus**:	Pay to win in this game is dogshit. who wants all my stuff


[20-Dec-21 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**McCowen**:	Wouldn't say no


[20-Dec-21 12:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	what' p2w? 0.o


[20-Dec-21 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	That's against ToS, just FYI


[20-Dec-21 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Also, definitely not p2w


[20-Dec-21 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	CX can do everything you need it to


[20-Dec-21 01:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	Posted an ad for some DW, my peeps are thirsty! Doing above market rate at 40/unit


[20-Dec-21 05:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	TY Feed The Stars, Mumxzzhar Industries and Recalcitrant. You guys rock and keep me alive


[20-Dec-21 07:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Hey it's nice to just grab AL when my own operations are too slow :D


[20-Dec-21 07:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Thanks for being there


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**Nirces**:	someone was selling glass on LM, haven't seen anyone do it for a while, is anyone still selling?


[21-Dec-21 07:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Madnewmy**:	idk but I need RG so if you are still alive poke me too :D


[21-Dec-21 08:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**kapusta**:	i have 60RG and 200GL


[21-Dec-21 08:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**kapusta**:	i think DanX have quite big stash of GL on Deimos


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**Namthorn**:	welcome to deimos new ppl!


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**Bobemor**:	wow


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**thejeffcooper**:	anybody have 4x BDE.AI1 handy?


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**yaro111**:	@thejeffcooper I will have in 10h


[21-Dec-21 04:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	thanks! Someone beat you to it, though


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[21-Dec-21 10:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SpaceWalrus**:	I can outline a p2w feature that i think breaks the game for me. You can't but up sell orders outside the price band without a PRO account. Therefore, if say i tried to set up a Si operation (a metal that has low volume), I have no say on what price I can sell at since I'm not allowed to sell outside the price band. Currently, Si has offers around 750 AIC, if i wanted to post Si the highest I can is 250$ due to the price band. So basically ruins the game for me. Just wanted others to be aware of this so you don't fall into this trap. Overall, the game isn;t pay to win, but there are certain areas where the game breaks down if you dont pay.


[21-Dec-21 10:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SpaceWalrus**:	looking to sell 96 aluminuim for 100 each. really just need to offload some metals


[21-Dec-21 10:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SpaceWalrus**:	40 Si for 100 each if anyone wants it. reasonable price since im not a pro user


[21-Dec-21 10:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DanX**:	@SpaceWalrus, the price band mechanism is kinda broke. If it is unreasonable then someone can pretty easily work with you to move 1 unit back and forth to manipulate it up/down as needed.


[21-Dec-21 10:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DanX**:	i.e. I could buy 1 SI at your minimum price and the band will move down. We can continue as needed to open it up.


[21-Dec-21 10:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DanX**:	Common problem for low/zero volume commodities.


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**Bobemor**:	At least I've not lost techs this week 😔


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**Nirces**:	buy order up for 100 RAT @ 70each and 100 DW at 40each if someone could spare some please?


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**Madnewmy**:	anyone selling FEO


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**alucard998**:	Posted for si, lil better price that 100


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**Bobemor**:	Welcome all new people!


[22-Dec-21 12:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	must've been ~40 over the past 2 days new here


[22-Dec-21 12:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	is exciting


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**Mumzhar**:	Mad: I'm selling FEO on ZV-759b local market, a few hours of STL flight from Deimos. And sometimes directly on Deimos when I have enough stock shipped there.


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**Insensless**:	Hello new citizens of Deimos! OOG corporation welcomes you and recommends vertically integrated Metallurgy, Manufacturing, or resource extraction on Deimos. We are recruiting new players specializing in these areas. Please reach out in game or on discord for more information!


[22-Dec-21 08:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	blegh


[22-Dec-21 08:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I did a mess up


[22-Dec-21 08:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	accidentally did a buy and not a sell contract


[22-Dec-21 08:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	you can delete it unless someone accepted


[22-Dec-21 08:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	`LMOS`


[22-Dec-21 09:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	If anyone is making a trip to ANT I have a bunch of shipping ads on the LM


[22-Dec-21 10:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	I got chu


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**Dover**:	I have a couple of ads for the trip back


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**MatomWorkingStationCZ**:	hello


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**Namthorn**:	hi


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**DoopyDoopz**:	Put up some buy ads for DW and RAT, need them fulfilled asap


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**Slomes**:	@Bobemor has the time come? xD


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**MegaSaberEXE**:	Hello new citizens of Deimos! OOG corporation welcomes you and recommends metallurgy and/or resource extraction on Deimos. We are recruiting new players specializing in these areas. Please reach out in game or on discord for more information!


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**MegaSaberEXE**:	My discord is MegaSaberEXE#9823


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**Bobemor**:	@slomes if i say anything i'll jinx it!


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**alucard998**:	:-X


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**Michionlion**:	Buying AL on LM if anyone is interested


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**DanX**:	Well.


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**DanX**:	Must have been some kind of timer since a recent surge.


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**DiggingLake**:	I think that was a triggered purge, because of the planets getting too full: Prom lost like 94 people.


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**Slomes**:	@Bobemor Thats fair, I won't say anything either :)


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**Mainframe**:	Posted for 1MCG if anyone can fill that I would appreciate it.


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**Madnewmy**:	FEO/O buys on LM, ALO sales too, also fat SI order on CX


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**Madnewmy**:	17x contracts, reward 12k on ANT LM.


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**Madnewmy**:	15x50 AL buys @ 350/u on nike, take some there when you are getting your LST :)


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**thejeffcooper**:	if anyone has a free ship, I just posted a whole ship of cargo to ANT for 2k AIC


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**Caydel**:	That doesn't even cover the fuel costs by my calculation


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**Mumzhar**:	it kinda covers going there, but not the way back. That's why I prefer to make two contracts to move a full shipload: people go to CX with their stuff and fill the remaining hold with contracts


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**thejeffcooper**:	Ugh, I'd forgotten how expensive fuel has gotten. I'll repost at a better rate


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**vaxon**:	hello am new here, can some one tell me if am stupid having 1 rig 1 farmstead and incinerator producing 4C from HCP and MAI instead of just riging water ?


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**vaxon**:	ive read on forum that rigging water is the best way to start as carbon producer


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**Namthorn**:	probably dont want to be farming on Deimos, the soil fertility is a bit rubbish


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**Mumzhar**:	this setup is fine, just not on Deimos where fertility and water concentrations are low


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**Namthorn**:	Harmonia's a good bet if you want to farm in the Antares region


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**vaxon**:	its 90% isnt that enough?


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**Mumzhar**:	that's a 10% time penalty on all the farm recipes


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**Mumzhar**:	it can be fine if you want to expand by adding an extractor for ALO and using your C to smelt it, just don't go farm all the way


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**Slomes**:	thing is its "fine" technically, but you can do it on other places more efficiently, or do a whole other thing that pays better, meaning either way you would grow faster


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**Slomes**:	I would recommend you just take a couple days and let it run, while you get familiar with the market, look at materials, etc., get informed, then make an educated restart :)


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**vaxon**:	ok. I was trying its always 3 unit of H2O i can collect in 6hours or is there any factor that affects that


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**Slomes**:	the 3 units is planet specific and fixed, but the time can vary depending on your efficiency


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**Slomes**:	on another planet you might get 10, or 20 per the same as you would get 3 here


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**vaxon**:	yeah i was thinking about restarting too, but before that happening wanna see how much money can i make


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**Slomes**:	Deimos is mostly domineering in ALO and AL industry, and also C production


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**Slomes**:	however C makers usually import the Agri materials from a better farm planet, and just burn them here


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**vaxon**:	in planet info in resources the value of material i collect depends on the length of orange bar ?


[27-Dec-21 12:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	you could always do some napkin math to check if it wouldn't be paying better if you skip H2O and agri production, and just buy inputs and make C, building more INC instead of the RIG FRM


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**Slomes**:	yep


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**Slomes**:	big bar =good, and for fertility, right side is +, left side is - buff or nerf to your production


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**vaxon**:	so y telling me fertillity can be over 100%?


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**Slomes**:	yessir


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**vaxon**:	:D


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**vaxon**:	interesting


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**vaxon**:	its perpetum mobile


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**Slomes**:	just think of the 100% as 0%, then it checks out


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**Slomes**:	xD


[27-Dec-21 12:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	but 100% makes sense as the center here because of efficiency calculation


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**vaxon**:	yeah y right xD


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**vaxon**:	thanks for answering my questions xd


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**Slomes**:	any time!


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**Red_Phoenix**:	hey uhhh


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**Red_Phoenix**:	i quite urgently need some DW and RAT


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**Bobemor**:	how much


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**Red_Phoenix**:	uhhh


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**Red_Phoenix**:	just like 50 each for now


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**DanX**:	@Red_Phoenix I got your ads


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**Slomes**:	so, Candidate @bobemor what is your platform, what can we expect from the long anticipated FIO electorate?


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**Emperyan**:	Anybody got some drinking water they can spare? Say 20 -30 to tide me over?


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**Emperyan**:	(I was away for Xmas and thought I'd see how well the base worked without me for a week... would have been better if my DW queue was still reucurring...


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**Emperyan**:	Disregard, I've got a ship full of H2O flying back from ANT (along with a bunch of Lux Xmas gifts or my long suffering population)


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**NoToken**:	Sorry, think I actually would have had something to spare. However, is a license not needed to trade on the local market?


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**Bobemor**:	@slomes eeeerrr *furiously checks notes* minimum taxes and uhmm *searches amongst piles desperately* full COGC funding with *turns over another note* required SST and PAR funding... *looks at stickies note on monitor* and lead on infrastructure development


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**Bobemor**:	Yes, that sounds about right


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**Slomes**:	good enough


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**Slomes**:	im sure there was another sticky saying "give Slomes 100k"?


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**Mumzhar**:	100k PPA?


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**Slomes**:	mhhhh pastyyy


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**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone got some SF?


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**alucard998**:	Yep. 10.5/u


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**mikalai**:	anyone fancies building a shipyard in Antares II sys? I would contribute to that


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**Slomes**:	I'd be interested too


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**Bobemor**:	it's been mooted about, fioc would definitely be interested in contributing


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**rain9441**:	Yep


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**rain9441**:	I've been waiting for Nike's Techs to grow a bit, but I'm planning on setting up PP4s there in the next week to make Afabs for the PSY


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**yaro111**:	I already contirbute 4 ATA


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**yaro111**:	and when I finish Afabs for APF I will add more


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**yaro111**:	kapusta will contribute as well :) as he bring me this idea


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**mikalai**:	I can donate money to anyone having PP4 for production of some Afabs, just let me know how much


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**mikalai**:	and to whom


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**Nirces**:	have come cargo free shipping from ANT, anyone need?


[31-Dec-21 06:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mikalai**:	yes will now post a few contracts thanks


[31-Dec-21 06:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mikalai**:	5 contracts up on Deimos LM


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**Nirces**:	took them


[31-Dec-21 06:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mikalai**:	thanks!


[31-Dec-21 06:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	I put an add up for RG on the LM, 24 at 500/u if any of the glass producers are interested?


[31-Dec-21 06:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	and someone has took it already, that was quick


[31-Dec-21 07:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	I also have a ship coming from HRT to ANT with 200t spare, but may take upto 5 days depending how fast my buy orders fill up


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**Bobemor**:	I'll throw a few afabs to the SHY-PP when my pp4 time clears up :)


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**Sokleon**:	happy new yaer!


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**Artokun**:	hey deimos peeps, looking for some prefabs in LM. above CX bid prices


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**yaro111**:	Bbh filled


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**Red_Phoenix**:	ayo anyone here able to fill the RAT order posted


[01-Jan-22 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	i need it


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**Red_Phoenix**:	baaad


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**Namthorn**:	would if i could, omw to sell a shipload of goods and stock up on rats myself


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**Red_Phoenix**:	woo! I'm no longer in rat debt


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**Airbus_Flyer**:	I have posted two LM ads for MCG at 15 / 20 per unit for those interested.


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**Bobemor**:	Red, I can't help but notice you're often short on cons :p


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**Artokun**:	can I get a corp invite? metallurgist friendly?


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**Airbus_Flyer**:	For those interested, I posted a LM ad to buy 6 BDEs (6.15k AIC).


[03-Jan-22 12:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Airbus_Flyer**:	^^ Got filled


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**Bobemor**:	@Artokun, i'd suggest checking out the recruitment bit in UFO


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**Kharadan**:	anyone needs anything taken to ANT? Leaving in 12 hours or so


[04-Jan-22 04:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	Anyone sitting on fab stock? I need to do some repairs. Need MCG 679 | BSE 90 | BDE 21 | BBH 27 | BTA 3


[04-Jan-22 05:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mikalai**:	Hi there! I can fill all the MCG and BDE, 7BSE, 14 BBH right away


[04-Jan-22 05:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	I got BTA :)


[04-Jan-22 05:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mikalai**:	MCG @19, BDE@ 1070, BSE @ 1100, BBH@1300. just post buys on LM


[04-Jan-22 05:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	bta 850 :)


[04-Jan-22 05:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	Some ads up there


[04-Jan-22 06:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	Loads more BSE required if there are some more sellers.


[04-Jan-22 06:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mikalai**:	Still have 7x BSE for sale


[04-Jan-22 06:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mikalai**:	and I have 14x BBH available at 1250 if anyone would want


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**Emperyan**:	Got an ad up for OVE if anyone has seom extra.


[04-Jan-22 10:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	filled ;)


[04-Jan-22 10:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Thanks Yaro!


[04-Jan-22 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mikalai**:	Hi folks, I have plenty of FEO at 35 on Antares II b (ZV-759b) LM


[04-Jan-22 11:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	when I will smelt my current FEO, I will buy from you :)


[04-Jan-22 12:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	I can buy some too, I have 42 FE done in 1d 19h, then I can pick up some more FEO


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**Nirces**:	shipping to ANT from HRT available 300t/m


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**thejeffcooper**:	@nirces what's your rate?


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**Insensless**:	Cheap LST by shipload on Nike ZV-194a


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**Michionlion**:	Ran out of DW, RAT if anyone has extra, paying a bit of a premium over CX prices on the LM


[05-Jan-22 08:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Got you covered for RAT... how much you need?


[05-Jan-22 10:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Already got it covered, but thanks!


[06-Jan-22 07:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Caydel**:	I'm heading to ANT, and have 350m3 / 225t available. Was planning to take a shipping contract (there were a bunch last night, but not now)


[06-Jan-22 07:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Caydel**:	Happy to take a shipping contract with me if it appears in the next hour or so


[06-Jan-22 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Anybody got 167 PG they can spare?


[06-Jan-22 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	( I know, super specific right?)


[06-Jan-22 01:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I put an add up for 200 @ 24/unit


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**Kharadan**:	for 24 I'd be willing to part with them, for 12 not ;)


[06-Jan-22 02:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	add up


[06-Jan-22 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Man... my brain some days, You'd never guess I run a profitable company in this game


[06-Jan-22 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Or maybe that's how I do it :p


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**Red_Phoenix**:	oh that's a mood


[07-Jan-22 07:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	Hello Deimos!  I've brought up this topic ages ago and have not yet followed through.  The Deimos Shipyard!!!  Well, I've been able to put down my PP4s now and will be producing Afabs to donate to the SHY project.  If anyone else would like to participate, by all means feel free.


[07-Jan-22 07:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	I'm currently working on ABH and ADE and will have just a few per day for now.


[07-Jan-22 07:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	I'll be trying to donate round robin so that I dont complete one before another


[07-Jan-22 07:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	If you don't have a PP4 but want to contribute, the only thing I'm really missing right now is NR.  So if you have LABs but no PP4s, any donations of NR will go right into the PSY


[07-Jan-22 07:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	I'd also like to spread one other peice of awareness.  I'm planning on starting a colony on A2D, which is next door to Deimos.  It has HAL and MGS.  My hope is to kickstart the settlers as best as I can during explorer's grace.


[07-Jan-22 07:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	The local HAL source and future Chemistry CoGC there will double our chemistry capabilities here in the region and bring an excellent EPO factory closer to the the Deimos region.


[07-Jan-22 07:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	A2 is, IMO, the best system in the game.  With the PSY in place, we can handle an amazing amount of logistics with only cheap STL ships!


[07-Jan-22 07:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	Moving EPO production to A2D will allow us to shift Griffonstone production to be more LABs.


[07-Jan-22 07:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	A2B is a good secondary colony to get as well as it onyl requires HSE to build on (no INS!).  You can stand up more expensive buildings there or just run Steel production like I do.


[07-Jan-22 07:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	I will deliver rest ATA next week


[07-Jan-22 07:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	A2B I consider after A1C :)


[07-Jan-22 07:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	I'm adding an infirmary in a few hours, in addition to the safety station from a few days ago, to help grow more settlers and a bit more techs on A2B


[07-Jan-22 07:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	I don't have a PP4 yet but I have RSE and some TI I can donate towards ASE


[07-Jan-22 08:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	One NR donation in from Visinvictus.  :party:


[07-Jan-22 09:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**kapusta**:	i gonna do some ADE for shipyard soon. and ASE after that. i can bring some TIO to Deimos if some one want to do ASE


[07-Jan-22 02:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mikalai**:	I can't donate NR at the moment, but I can buy some 8 afabs from a PP4 owner at reasonable price and donate those later on to Shipyard. Please post a sell on LM


[07-Jan-22 02:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	This is amusing timing as I was planning to annouce soon that Deimos would be seeking to buy the afabs for a Shipyard


[07-Jan-22 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I could have perhaps kept quiet, bought a few afabs, and suggested everything had gone exactly as planned. But the long and the short of it is Deimos Governorship has far too much currency locked up out of circulation, something that is demonstratably bad for trade. A Shipyard here is a brilliant investment that will benefit both large and small players (AL prices will boom when shipbuilding takes off in near future). I would be probably against raising taxes to fund it but with current Deimos finances that won't be neccesary at all.


[07-Jan-22 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	So, unless those inclined on donating to the SHY are hugely against I will be seeking to use the large Deimos treasury to benefit the economy and purchase Afabs to help this community driven endeavour.


[07-Jan-22 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Look forward to hearing others thoughts


[07-Jan-22 03:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	sounds cool, I'm sure i'm not the only one that would appreciate the extra trade that would come through here with a local SHY


[07-Jan-22 04:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DanX**:	I see no reason not to use our tax money to compensate the producers if we have the funds available. My thanks to the very generous a-fab producers offering, but you do deserve to be paid.


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**Emperyan**:	Build us a shipyard!


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**Nirces**:	Whats the Aim of the shipyard, the FEO or the TIO or something I am not seeing


[08-Jan-22 10:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	Also I have ~ 100t spare leaving ANT for Demios in next few hours


[09-Jan-22 12:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DanX**:	Whole ship available ANT > Deimos


[09-Jan-22 05:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Well a shipyard on Deimos opens up the way for STL ships in system, which makes some of the not so great planets in system suddenly very viable as shipping capacity drastically increases.


[09-Jan-22 05:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	The other good thing about a SHY here is that AL is typically the main component of ships (of the metals) and Deimos is already the best planet in the world for AL. So not having to ship lots of heavy parts (completed or raw materials) is a big plus.


[09-Jan-22 12:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	Hey deimos peeps, your friendly neighborhood AL.AI1 smelter needs some OVE, RAT, and DW. Competitive prices up in LM. I particularly need some OVE if anyone can spare right away.


[09-Jan-22 01:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	So after some number crunching I've come up with some 'reimbursement' numbers for Afabs to go directly to the Shipyard. The first thing to note is these are a little lower than perhaps someone could achieve on the open market. This is partly because the Deimos treasury can't fully stretch to full competitive market rates for all the remaining parts, but also as the costs are designed as much as 'reimbursement' for donation, to both compensate and encourage faster production. ABH: 19k ADE: 16.5k ASE: 16k ATA: 11k This puts the total cost remaining for a SHY as 1,410k. (A bit above current Deimos treasury but that's correctable with some donations)  People are of course entirely free to donate any Afabs they wish without reimbursement. All Afabs currently given are illegible for reimbursement. I'll wait a bit to get all of your feedback on this and therefore numbers may tweak slightly, but can hopefully roll this out. If you're planning on giving Afabs I'd therefore suggest holding fire


[09-Jan-22 01:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Formatting died a bit woops, but take away is reimbursement costs of: ABH: 19k, ADE: 16.5k, ASE: 16k, ATA: 11k.


[09-Jan-22 01:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**McCowen**:	Part donation - part buy I think is the way to go for many government ourchase


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**yaro111**:	all ATA I will do as donation :) so don't caunt ATA. Rest already in production, and  will be ready in few days


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**alucard998**:	6 ADE are inbound from Phobos Or ManOfTheSea


[10-Jan-22 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Will be launching now for reimbursements. Contact me preferably on Discord, but I'll also try to check COMs, and I can arrange buys. AIC only, Deimos LM only.


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**Emperyan**:	Anybody got any LST lying around? Like 100?


[10-Jan-22 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	I had 70 p/u


[10-Jan-22 03:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Paid! Thank you


[10-Jan-22 03:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	That ought to do me for a while...


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**Red_Phoenix**:	hey


[11-Jan-22 07:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	can anyone post a LST sell for 100?


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**yaro111**:	listed


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**Red_Phoenix**:	gah someone else got it


[11-Jan-22 11:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	I can list again


[11-Jan-22 11:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	how many you need ?


[11-Jan-22 11:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	100 for now


[11-Jan-22 11:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I could actually do 200


[11-Jan-22 11:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	yeah post a 200 LST


[11-Jan-22 11:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	ok I will do one more


[11-Jan-22 11:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	done


[11-Jan-22 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	cheers


[11-Jan-22 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	you welcome


[11-Jan-22 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	do we have anyone making @COF.AI1 or @PWO.AI1 locally? Wondering if I should just go to the CX and pick some up for us. If you need some put a LM for how much you need and I'll do a coffee run


[11-Jan-22 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone got glass?


[11-Jan-22 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	yea


[11-Jan-22 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	how much you need?


[11-Jan-22 01:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	uhh just like


[11-Jan-22 01:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	20


[11-Jan-22 01:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	posted a sell


[11-Jan-22 01:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	thank ya much


[11-Jan-22 01:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	np, produce about 50 a day so hit me up if you need more


[11-Jan-22 01:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	hot damn


[11-Jan-22 01:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	drowning in glass over there?


[11-Jan-22 01:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	at least your financials are transparent


[11-Jan-22 01:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	nah, there's a good call for it and excess i turn into fabs


[11-Jan-22 05:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	"at least your financials are transparent" *slow clap* wow


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**Emperyan**:	Posted an order for 4 BDE on the LM


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[12-Jan-22 03:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Many thanks


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**Emperyan**:	Dangit, out of coffee... anybody got 20 lying around?


[13-Jan-22 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	SHY is progressing well, and in both good and bad news vast majority are outright donating!


[13-Jan-22 11:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Man... I hate having both ships tied up. But, at least I have you all to buy stuff off of, lol


[13-Jan-22 11:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	GRN anyone?


[13-Jan-22 11:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I'd put a buy but there's like none to be had in ANT... put a sell for a reasonable price and I'll buy 50 units off you


[14-Jan-22 03:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	I would also buy some GRN if I saw it on the LM.


[14-Jan-22 03:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	Need some OVE.AI1 also


[14-Jan-22 06:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	I'm switching my C production to full time GRN in Harmonia. I will have a shipload of GRN every week coming to Deimos


[14-Jan-22 07:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	hey


[14-Jan-22 07:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	can someone post a sell order for 200 RAT and 200 DW?


[14-Jan-22 07:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	actually make that 400 RAT and 400 DW


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[14-Jan-22 06:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	LM order up for 1 BSE at 1500 if anyone has one please


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**Madnewmy**:	Hey all, announcing tmrw in around 12 hrs ill be selling just about everything on phobod, ZV-307c, deimos, nike and KI-401d. This will be decently good deals for you! If you need anything in particular, feel free to DM me before so we can setup a deal. (I will be around in 10 hours ish for those)


[15-Jan-22 11:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**derelict.**:	just put up a couple ads for C and SIO because i'm dumb and forgot stuff


[15-Jan-22 11:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**derelict.**:	also if anyone's crazy enough to have a bunch of FE i'll buy some off you


[16-Jan-22 01:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	sell ad for FE up


[16-Jan-22 02:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**derelict.**:	ty!


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[16-Jan-22 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	Hmm, I wonder how long I've been out of FLX without realizing it


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[16-Jan-22 07:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	damn


[16-Jan-22 07:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	Deimos is out of PIO


[16-Jan-22 07:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	how do we print more


[16-Jan-22 07:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	build before next POPR to increase demand and to contribute to happiness and growth


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**Madnewmy**:	remainder of my invent is up, bulk, cheap


[17-Jan-22 07:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Caydel**:	Looking to buy some Carbon. I put an add up for 30 @ 250 each on the LM. Lower than I thought this morning. I'm sending a ship to buy more, but someone filling my contract for 30 would keep my smelters running


[17-Jan-22 07:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Caydel**:	Filled!


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[17-Jan-22 08:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	How is there *nothing* on the Antares LM right now?


[17-Jan-22 08:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	There isn’t nothing. Try reloading.


[17-Jan-22 08:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Oh, might have misread that. If you are talking about shipping ads on the CX, then try the source planets: posting an ad on the CX is more expensive, after all.


[17-Jan-22 08:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	(In general, though, madnewmy was a major source of shipping demand. It should pick up as others move into his market space, but that isn’t instant.)


[17-Jan-22 08:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	Anyone got DW to spare? 10,20,50,100 any art would be wonderful


[18-Jan-22 04:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	whats up with madnewmy?


[18-Jan-22 04:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	and who sells ships in antares?


[18-Jan-22 07:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	ayo can someone sell 10  PT and 10 EXO?


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[18-Jan-22 08:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	I can spare 10 EXO, not PT


[18-Jan-22 08:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	I've put an ad up, but till be going to sleep in 30ish minutes


[18-Jan-22 08:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	I know there are some glass producers on Deimos, anyone interested in selling me a GEN?


[18-Jan-22 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	I do have a GEN I can sell for 150k AIC. There is another one on CX at 160k


[18-Jan-22 12:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Prepping for the Deimos SHY? @Nirces


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[18-Jan-22 03:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Sylphrenna**:	I hope you guys need a Vic here, at your service... Will take me a couple weeks to get manufacturing going though


[18-Jan-22 03:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	welcome


[18-Jan-22 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	the soil is a bit crappy here so it might be slow going for you for a while


[18-Jan-22 04:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	Deimos is great for its aluminium ore. If you build around that, you should be fine. If you want to grow more than rockbuds, Harmonia is one jump from here.


[18-Jan-22 04:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	rockbuds are delicious, i feed them to my workers and they barely complain!


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**Sylphrenna**:	Namthorn - you get me :)


[18-Jan-22 06:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Sylphrenna**:	And Mumzhar lol


[18-Jan-22 06:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Sylphrenna**:	I was considering the shipping costs too, yes I can make 2x more in Harmonia, but I don't have to worry about shipping to either CX or to Deimos LM


[18-Jan-22 06:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Sylphrenna**:	i'm still crunching numbers though, so... hold hold me on that yet


[18-Jan-22 06:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DanX**:	Corp mates and I farm on both Deimos and Harmonia for different purposes (C vs DW/RAT).


[18-Jan-22 06:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	C would make more sense yea, as that's a pain to ship in large quantities and is high-demand locally


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[19-Jan-22 03:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Sylphrenna**:	Sigh, yeah better COLIQ and not do Vic here, should have done my research beforehand. See you guys around!


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[19-Jan-22 06:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Popr makes for mixed viewing. PIO still not good news, demand is increasing whilst quite a few inactive bases are being removed which is why we partly have the large increase in PIOs not actually translating to a total pio pop being much higher. This will resolve in a couple weeks and should only be effecting very large pio bases and large new expansions. Not ideal of course, but in grand scheme not catastrophic. Will get the SST2 finished before the next POPR and will continue to full fund, hopefully we can reduce this down in ~4 weeks.


[19-Jan-22 06:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Techs on the other hand much better news and continuing to grow, demand is waning though so perhaps will need to see if demand grows again or if we should reduce investment longer term. Finishing the next par level is definitely on the cards and will likely be next project after the SHY, even if its just to enable cheaper dw contribution.


[19-Jan-22 07:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	Thnks for the update, gov'nah!


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[19-Jan-22 12:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Some buys up for BDE for the SST2 on LM.


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[19-Jan-22 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Sokleon**:	Hi, guys i need some SF fuel (beacuase i m stuck). I have 52 SF, i offer 25SF and 15AIC  for 7 RAT.  (i bellive it is enough). And i don t how can this trade make, how can i give 7Rat good person or... I m lost. :)


[19-Jan-22 03:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	are both your ships stuck?


[19-Jan-22 03:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	also you need pro or basic to trade on planets


[19-Jan-22 07:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	I can sell sf @13/u


[19-Jan-22 08:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone able to post a PT sell


[19-Jan-22 08:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	for 10


[19-Jan-22 08:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	and possibly also sell some BDEs


[19-Jan-22 11:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Got a little guy headed to ANT if anyone's on the way...


[19-Jan-22 11:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Guy = shipment since I realize that wasn't too clear.


[20-Jan-22 12:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Sokleon**:	yes both ships are suck + base is stuck  too (found missing). And i have to trade some BSE,BBH, BDE (or mony when i will have) and i give big tnak you, but i need some fuel maybe 10SF i don t now. (I have 52Sf fuel, i want go to the ANT)


[20-Jan-22 05:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	if you don't have PRO, you can't trade on local market


[20-Jan-22 05:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	(or BASIC, which is PRO at least once)


[20-Jan-22 05:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	right now, you either have to get PRO to start trading, or you liquidate your company and restart from scratch (COLIQ command)


[20-Jan-22 06:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Broken_Marrow**:	Do we have a supplier for FOD or DEC to keep up our wildlife park? I've got a Promitor base that I could tool up to supply them.


[20-Jan-22 06:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	It depends. Do we need it? That's depends. Are you planning to drop 400 extra demand for techs in two weeks time suddenly and need them all filled in a week? If not then the current input level is very adequate. I think FOD has potential, but it's benefit will be limited without increased demand.


[20-Jan-22 06:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Broken_Marrow**:	Fair enough. Just thought I'd offer.


[20-Jan-22 06:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I will be looking to get the PAR up to level 2 in the near future (2-3 weeks) so that we can put in more DW. But ultimately this is relatively vanity. The tech issue only came from a sudden increase in demand in one week after weeks of unemployment. Ultimately, no matter the popi upkeep things like that will always cause issues. If you want to build more Tech buildings I would advise playing with POPI and not against, plan ahead.


[20-Jan-22 06:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	If you have cheap FOD going I'll definitely chuck it in though!


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[20-Jan-22 10:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**McCowen**:	There will be more techs. When is the question. More of a POPI building to allow you to fill with fewer, easier to get inputs is a totally valid strategy.


[20-Jan-22 12:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DanX**:	@Bobemor, I can provide FOD at 95/u.


[20-Jan-22 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DanX**:	Because I <3 Deimos


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**Bobemor**:	@danx able to do 330?


[21-Jan-22 06:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	If so ad up on LM :)


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[21-Jan-22 10:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DanX**:	@Bobemor, done! Thank you for the business.


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[22-Jan-22 10:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	hey! can someone here sell PT


[22-Jan-22 10:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I need them


[22-Jan-22 10:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	bad.


[22-Jan-22 10:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	only like 5


[22-Jan-22 10:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	I can help, post ad with CX ask price


[22-Jan-22 11:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	ack someone took it already


[22-Jan-22 01:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Caydel**:	Going to be sending a mostly empty ship from antares station back to deimos in about 8 hours. Happy to take some shipping with me if there's anything at the CXL that you want, but don't want to send a ship for yet


[22-Jan-22 06:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Insensless**:	All constructors on Deimos, LST going cheap on Nike (ZV-194a) if needed


[22-Jan-22 09:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Caydel**:	Wow, AL prices have bottomed out: AL.AI1


[22-Jan-22 09:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Caydel**:	There's only one open buy order for 37 @ 241. Other than that, almost no market


[23-Jan-22 06:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Makes sense: ALO prices crashed a while ago, so the cost of producing the downstream product has decreased and more people moved into that space.


[23-Jan-22 06:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	just gotta be patient and not dump into the bid. the folks buying ALoff the CX tend to do so mid-week I've found. weekend market is always fairly slow.


[23-Jan-22 08:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	Hi. I'm looking for 2 LTA asap on LM. I can trade them back in 12 hours if you don't want to sell them.


[23-Jan-22 08:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**kapusta**:	done


[23-Jan-22 09:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	thanks


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[23-Jan-22 01:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	SHY will be finshed in under a week at the latest :D


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[23-Jan-22 03:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Hey FIO that 1 AIC spam on the LM is a little out of control. Would it be too hard to just sync up times once in a while? It makes it really hard to see actual ads.


[23-Jan-22 04:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	This is a sync up: a couple of ships full of supplies arrived at the same time. Generally speaking, we try to keep the ads at a higher than P rating to make it easier for others to see those selling/buying to the market.


[23-Jan-22 04:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	(Its a delivery of around 7 ships worth of consumables for 15 players, so there are a few ads needed. Most should be gone within a few hours.)


[23-Jan-22 04:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Scorus**:	It is too much by a long shot


[23-Jan-22 04:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	I don't really know what to say to that, except that its a lot of players. I personally don't have any issue distinguishing between the ads, but I understand why people may and that is why we have taken mitigation measures.


[23-Jan-22 04:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	However, as long as the game requires LM usage in this way, there isn't any good way around there being lots of ads on the LM that aren't personally relevant to certain individuals: you could equally argue that spamming ads of the same product is an issue, since they make it hard to see other ads.


[23-Jan-22 04:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	(In any case, as I said, most of the ads should be gone in a few hours.)


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**Dover**:	[Many hours later...]


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[24-Jan-22 07:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Eltrekar**:	Hello


[24-Jan-22 07:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	hi


[24-Jan-22 08:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Scorus**:	The way around it is to put up the ads when people are ready to accept them.


[24-Jan-22 08:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	FIOC as a Corp has quite a large presence on Deimos. I think we have 15 different players serviced in some from through Deimos. These players all have very different playing hours and lives. We have people who cooperate together yet do not have overlapping active hours. To a large extent this is just a natural outcome of an international game. We would certainly welcome suggestions of how better to organise distribution of resources within the limitations of people's real life commitments and the games mechanical limitations.


[24-Jan-22 08:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Though I do think it worth noting that the vast majority of these ads (99%) are gone within 10 minutes and it is highly unusual for a notable number of ads to last more than 6 hours (the ads currently there are not the same ones as when the situation was first complained about)


[24-Jan-22 08:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	I thnk it's just the game not really having the tools required to filter the noise out/there not being a better method for private trading. I don't have an issue with it personally but it would sure be nice if i could filter by say, required grade to get a clean view of what's for sale


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[24-Jan-22 09:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	hey anyone here able to sell LST


[24-Jan-22 09:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I need like


[24-Jan-22 09:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	100


[24-Jan-22 09:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	or so


[24-Jan-22 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	listed  :)


[24-Jan-22 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	thankya


[24-Jan-22 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	i have put up 100 ALO cheap (30each) on LM


[24-Jan-22 10:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Opinions on what the best trade good to start producing at a Metalist Studio might be?


[24-Jan-22 11:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	Metalist studio runs so fast, I'm having trouble finding things to keep mine occupied, even though I need a lot of outputs from it


[24-Jan-22 12:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	there'll always be demand for TRU


[24-Jan-22 12:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	but other than that


[24-Jan-22 12:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	it's really just demand


[24-Jan-22 12:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	wait I'm thinking of welding plant


[24-Jan-22 12:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	ignore everything I just said lmao


[24-Jan-22 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	unless you have regular sinks for the output: build WEL, make what you need, demolish WEL


[24-Jan-22 12:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	WELs are weird, I feel like 1 WEL could support an entire planet's worth of TRU need


[24-Jan-22 12:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I need like


[24-Jan-22 12:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	500 MCG, 10 BDE, and 6 TRU


[24-Jan-22 12:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone able to hook me up?


[24-Jan-22 01:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	I can help with MCG, 16 a piece


[24-Jan-22 01:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	ad up


[24-Jan-22 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	ope sorry


[24-Jan-22 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I got some


[24-Jan-22 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	sorry again


[24-Jan-22 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	no worries. maybe someone else will need to build or repair something :)


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[24-Jan-22 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Hmm... ok. So, maybe my next question should be what would be the best facility to build to support the new Shipyards?


[24-Jan-22 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	that's a tough question


[24-Jan-22 02:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	depends


[24-Jan-22 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	depends on what people need, if we're expecting glass ships another GF wouldnt go amiss


[24-Jan-22 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Hmm... well, I am open to suggestions :)


[24-Jan-22 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	My little hobby of cornering steel is never going to be profitabe the way I'd like so and with AL falling I need to diversify. I'm ticking along ok right now making some small profits, so that just tells me it's time to exand.


[24-Jan-22 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	AL falling?


[24-Jan-22 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	ive sold a bunch at 350 today


[24-Jan-22 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	diversifying is a good idea though


[24-Jan-22 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	pp2s are good value here


[24-Jan-22 03:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Yeah, been cracking out BBH at a pretty reliable income. And I mean I suppose 350 for AL is ok but I've done better ;)


[24-Jan-22 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	glass has super high demand tho, i cant produce enough of the stuff to build up a stockpile it sells so fast


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**Emperyan**:	Where do you pick up your SIO for it?


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[25-Jan-22 05:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	SIO.AI1


[25-Jan-22 06:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	yep, CX or sometimes a LM ad if I screw up and forget to buy it


[25-Jan-22 06:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	you use very little for GL production so it doesn't need refilling often


[25-Jan-22 09:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Fair enough!


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[26-Jan-22 04:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Nice work rain with the shipyard!


[26-Jan-22 04:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Also to the other contributors as well. Looking forward to seeing some ships fly out


[26-Jan-22 04:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I wonder if we'll see first Phobos FTL engine ships fly out of here 🤔


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[26-Jan-22 11:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Congrats everyone on the Shipyard! Are we having a opening day celebration here on Deimos?


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**Emperyan**:	Anybody got anything coming back from ANT tonight? (say in the next 9 hours...) I've got a couple hundred tons available on the Genny Bills


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**Nirces**:	just put up a shipping contract to nike, 2500, you can grab some very cheap LST to haul back if anyone is interested (~12  hours Deimos to Nike)


[27-Jan-22 07:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	ok can anyone sell...


[27-Jan-22 07:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	1 BDE?


[27-Jan-22 07:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I did my math wrong...


[27-Jan-22 07:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	dont ahve any on me but i can sell you the PE to make one if you still have a pp1


[27-Jan-22 07:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	damn I just sold my PP1 :p


[27-Jan-22 07:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	today is not my day, huh.


[27-Jan-22 07:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	rip, well someone's bound to have one. i'm also headed back from ANT this evening so i can ship one back if you don't find a seller


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[27-Jan-22 07:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	thankya much


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[27-Jan-22 11:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	Anyone need a ship to Nike? I'm heading over there in the next 1-2 hours


[27-Jan-22 12:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	I might have room on the way back too


[27-Jan-22 12:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	how much space do you have Deimos->Nike? I can fill it with AL. There never is enough AL on my Nike base


[27-Jan-22 02:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	I have 400t left


[27-Jan-22 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	if you put up a contract within the next 30 min I can take 400t


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**Nirces**:	Ad up to buy 25 Flux @ 100/u


[27-Jan-22 06:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	got you


[27-Jan-22 06:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	thank you


[27-Jan-22 06:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	@Artokun sorry I missed that


[27-Jan-22 06:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	going to Nike in 1min, room for 47 AL


[27-Jan-22 06:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	and gone


[27-Jan-22 06:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	I haven't left yet


[27-Jan-22 06:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	waiting 8 more min


[27-Jan-22 06:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	but then I can only carry 400t


[27-Jan-22 06:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	that's fine, contract in a moment


[27-Jan-22 06:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	thanks


[27-Jan-22 06:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	np


[27-Jan-22 06:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	14h


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[27-Jan-22 10:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	hey hey


[27-Jan-22 10:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	1 BDE anyone?


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**Caydel**:	With the price of AL so depressed, we need to start building with it


[28-Jan-22 07:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	lol we are


[28-Jan-22 07:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	like 90% of people here are PP2 Constructors


[28-Jan-22 07:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	That’s a bit overstating it, but it is the case that there are quite a few PP2s here and on Nike.


[28-Jan-22 07:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	ok yeah i did overstate it


[28-Jan-22 07:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	but pretty much all the constructors here are making bfabs out of AL


[28-Jan-22 08:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	the price of AL isn't that depressed, it's just people's obsession with being the lowest offer lol


[28-Jan-22 12:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Caydel**:	Perhaps... I mean, I need to sell mine for cashflow, so I go lowest offer. It's only a race to the bottom when supply exceeds demand


[28-Jan-22 01:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	if you need to sell right then then sell at the bid


[28-Jan-22 01:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	and supply is techincally less than demand still, it's just a few people didnt look at the order book to see that the lowest order was an order of 6 which was 40 AIC lower than the next order :P


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[29-Jan-22 06:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	Nike is still very much underpopulated, so just settle there and start shipping AL out ;)


[29-Jan-22 06:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	underpopulated playerwise


[29-Jan-22 06:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	27 players


[29-Jan-22 06:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	vs 187 players on Deimos


[29-Jan-22 06:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	LST on site, so you can make PP2 SME here, PP2 EXT or just PP2 there, and ship AL there, LST back


[29-Jan-22 06:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	and Bfab to CX


[29-Jan-22 06:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	easy money, and good shipping value cause its a two way route :)


[29-Jan-22 06:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	I'd recommend just visiting there even if you don't want to settle, LST is dirt cheap on the LM at Nike.


[29-Jan-22 07:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Nike is a really strong planet


[29-Jan-22 07:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Just saying if you are wanting to build tech buildings this next Tuesday would be a good time to do it (before the next POPR).


[29-Jan-22 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	I have moved all my construction buildings from Deimos to Nike ~12 hours each way I ship the Al there from the 11 smelters ran here and


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[29-Jan-22 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	we need more more PP2 on Nike


[29-Jan-22 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	so we grow pop size faster


[29-Jan-22 04:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I've been waiting on some pp2s for a while :(


[29-Jan-22 06:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	Whats the plan with the next planet in system, another Metallurgy?


[29-Jan-22 06:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	chemistry on ZV-759d (or A2D): it has MGS for PG and HAL for EPO


[29-Jan-22 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	Mad, rain and me settled it around the same time 2 weeks ago and they already have invested into the population infrastructure there


[29-Jan-22 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	as for ZV-759b (or A2B), with a local shipyard and STL ships to help, it's easier to ship FEO to Deimos than heavily investing in it


[29-Jan-22 07:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	If you were sitting on nealy 200 units of STL like a speculating idiot what would YOU do with it?


[29-Jan-22 07:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	try and flog some of it on Nike? maybe someone's making rfabs there.


[29-Jan-22 07:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	if you can get buyers, running STL in and LST out could be a profitable route


[29-Jan-22 07:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Hmm... never thought of Nike. Starting to consider my second base there.


[29-Jan-22 11:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	1 BDE, anyone?


[30-Jan-22 02:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	man, just post an ad with what you think is a reasonable price, someone will get it


[30-Jan-22 02:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Airbus_Flyer**:	Anyone willing to sell me like 80 SF? Kind of got myself stuck.


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**Nirces**:	I would take some for the right price (STL)


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**Nirces**:	Shipping Ad to Nike up, FYI take the add and grab a load of LST to bring back :)


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**Red_Phoenix**:	woof


[01-Feb-22 07:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	BSE bad rn


[01-Feb-22 07:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	very happy I've got a ship on the way to sell


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**Emperyan**:	Oh oh... I finally made my first spreadsheet...


[01-Feb-22 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	(planning my second base)


[01-Feb-22 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	NOW I've done it, lol


[01-Feb-22 03:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	does it use all that steel you've got? xD


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**Emperyan**:	Hah! It does not


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[02-Feb-22 05:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	I will have 320t of cargo space going to Nike, going onwards to ANT leaving in ~ 12 hours. happy to ship at 5/u


[02-Feb-22 05:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	will arrive in ANT within 24 hours of departure


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**Red_Phoenix**:	heyo


[02-Feb-22 11:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone need BSE or BBH


[02-Feb-22 01:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Anybody have any Nylon locally? I need like 1 unit...


[02-Feb-22 01:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Put up an order and I'll cover it


[02-Feb-22 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Erix_123**:	Put up one @Emperyan


[02-Feb-22 02:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Many thanks!


[02-Feb-22 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	Anyone need AL?


[02-Feb-22 06:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiekun**:	LST ad up for 70/u


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[03-Feb-22 07:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	hmmm do you guys think a glass furnace might be worth investing in, espc now that we have a shipyard?


[03-Feb-22 07:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	yes, i have plans to expand my current production as-is as I can't keep up with the orders i'm getting.


[03-Feb-22 07:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	and if you have a slow week just dump the excess into LTA/BTA


[03-Feb-22 08:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	true true


[03-Feb-22 08:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	hmmm


[03-Feb-22 08:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone here need ALO?


[03-Feb-22 08:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I'll sell it to you below the usual market price


[03-Feb-22 08:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	becuase... I have way too much of it in my base rn and I'm actually starting to run out


[03-Feb-22 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	yea I can take 200


[03-Feb-22 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	also, make a STO, super useful for inventory management lol


[03-Feb-22 08:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	how much per unit? i can put a buy up


[03-Feb-22 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	My advice for you Red, build an STO, then more ext/smelters until you have 11 smelters to 5 ext and 1 col. then make a bass next door on Nike and make just pp2s, ship the AL there to take advantage of the construction buff


[03-Feb-22 09:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	with a GF you can make good BTA and LTA, someone's gotta do it right


[03-Feb-22 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	exactly, proper glass windows instead of those rubbish plastic ones from a pp1


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[03-Feb-22 03:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Michionlion**:	Buying a bunch of AL if people want to sell


[03-Feb-22 04:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	@Namthorn uhhh like 25/u for ALO


[03-Feb-22 05:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	posted


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[04-Feb-22 05:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	kapusta&yaro111 invite all for our first STL ship auction on Antates Region https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/stl-ship-auction-on-deimos-antares-region/4126

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https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/stl-ship-auction-on-deimos-antares-region/4126
STL ship Auction on Deimos Antares region
Cooperation kapusta & yaro111 present:  STL ship auction with glass-based STL Engine. Cargo bay 500m3/500t. Basic Hull Plate and small STL fuel tank (1500)  Perfect for Antares I or II system.  Starting bid 400k AIC  Auction end 8pm (uk time/UTC/GMT 0) Friday 11.05.2022  Material collection Deimos. Payment AIC  Please put your bids in posts belo...
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[04-Feb-22 06:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kerpuffle**:	@yaro111 your auction ends on the 11th may according to that link


[04-Feb-22 06:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	sorry :) I will edit thanks


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**yaro111**:	I am looking to buy Afabs, as I would like to donate UNI on phobos, anyone have sth ?


[04-Feb-22 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	All my Afab production is already going to Phobos uni, but if you do find a good supplier let me know, may be able to purchase some as well


[04-Feb-22 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	probavly best supplier will be to set up next PP4 myself :D


[04-Feb-22 11:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Ah, dangit, I forgot my DW was using the PG recipe and it ate one of the PG I needed for my PP2 queue. ANybody got like 10 hanging around until my ship gets back?


[04-Feb-22 11:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Posting ad at premium prices now, lol


[04-Feb-22 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	filled :)


[04-Feb-22 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Thanks yaro!


[04-Feb-22 12:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Any people (presumably with Harmonia bases) interested in an ongoing deal to fill RAT and DW COGC demands. Internal supply at a bit of a pinch point recently so would be good to get a deal for Deimos


[04-Feb-22 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Anybody got anything coming back from ANT? I've got a lot of high value / low mass cargo coming back so I've got space in the hold...


[04-Feb-22 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Post (at reasonable rate, you know who you are...) and I'll pack it up for an overnight transit.


[04-Feb-22 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	a PP4 isnt going to get you a lot of afabs.  It's only the tip of the iceberg.  You need a solid foundation of labs, EPO production, STL production, and so on.


[04-Feb-22 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	A single PP4 probably requires and consumes an entire base worth of resource output


[04-Feb-22 04:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	If you look at an ASE.  That's 2 TI and an RSE (1.5 SMEs, 2/3 PP3).  The PP3 eats up 200 EPO/day, which is 4 POLs.  It also eats 1 STL/day and 2 BSE a day, which is a good chunk of money.  The 4 POLs need 2 CHPs which need EXT-HAL.


[04-Feb-22 04:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	I mean... just making ASE in a PP4 probably costs 15k/day to feed


[04-Feb-22 04:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	IMO best way to support building UNI is expanding to add all the components of the chain and then do the PP4.


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[04-Feb-22 04:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	True, chain is most important. I need to develop NR chain


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**Bobemor**:	i think PPs are quite well designed for this. Each step up requires more and more supporting infrastrcutre. Its a reasonable progression


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[05-Feb-22 11:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Scorus**:	The fact that Pio habs can be made by both PP1 and PP2 is an outlier for this.


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[05-Feb-22 04:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	lots of shipping contracts on KI-401d if someone wants to make some money


[05-Feb-22 10:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone got carbon?


[05-Feb-22 10:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	there's none at the CX


[05-Feb-22 11:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	Anybody have a bit of FF they can part with? Ad up on the LM


[05-Feb-22 11:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	Also RATs for sale


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**Bobemor**:	@thejeffcooper you able to do 368 units? Buy up if you can


[06-Feb-22 05:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	Done


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**Michionlion**:	Buying GL on LM if anyone has any


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**DoopyDoopz**:	Hello


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**Emperyan**:	Howdy


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**Red_Phoenix**:	hey anyone got GL?


[08-Feb-22 07:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	got 50 in stock atm


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[08-Feb-22 12:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	anyone have MCG? turns out I'm dumb and forgot about it for my STO


[08-Feb-22 12:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	filled


[08-Feb-22 12:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	thanks!


[08-Feb-22 12:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	oh wow. turns out I didn't forget... it was just in the warehouse. because I didn't have enough space in my base inventory. which is why I needed to build a STO in the first place


[08-Feb-22 12:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	whelp, thanks anyways. now I have extra


[08-Feb-22 12:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Artokun**:	lol


[08-Feb-22 01:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	So looking at the new popi changes its not looking like any of the programmes will really impact Deimos POPRs hugely initially, but it may impact demand of Engineers on this planet just if they're so much easier to get people might be interested. So i'm thinking doing the 25 Engineer boost first then seeing how things settle and if people indicate there will be more engineers (or even scientists) we can go from there. I'm not expecting any tax raises at all as ultiamtely if people want scientists or engineers they can just pay to produce 25 themselves


[08-Feb-22 01:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I do say this 12 hours before the next POPR which could change things (if there's say 200+ sudden demand in techs)


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**Nirces**:	does anyone have 40 Glass to sell in the next 3.5 hours?


[09-Feb-22 05:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	Thank you


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**Nirces**:	No-one wants the LST? Do I need to drop the price?


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**Red_Phoenix**:	hey


[10-Feb-22 09:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	can someone sell Glass or Carbon?


[10-Feb-22 09:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I need both.


[10-Feb-22 09:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	50~ carbon, and like 10 or 20 glass


[10-Feb-22 09:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	just sent out my stock of GL to the CX, i'll have another 10 in 15 mins


[10-Feb-22 09:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	sick


[10-Feb-22 09:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	what's your price?


[10-Feb-22 09:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	175/u ok?


[10-Feb-22 09:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	yepp


[10-Feb-22 09:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	i'll post a sell now then


[10-Feb-22 09:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	:thumbsup":


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**Bobemor**:	I didn't realise the engineer one was 50 and also cheaper than I had thought.


[10-Feb-22 06:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I think it's now vital for people to vote with their buildings for what investment they want. Some people have made me aware they want more Engineers, but I'd encourage others to get building their techs, or at least tell me the demands and we can work it out together.


[10-Feb-22 08:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Airbus_Flyer**:	Does anyone have a bit of O and/or FLX they would be willing to sell? I don't need a lot, 20-25 should be enough.


[10-Feb-22 09:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Scorus**:	Sure, ad up.


[10-Feb-22 10:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Airbus_Flyer**:	Thank you! Did you happen to have FLX to or was I to slow for that one?


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**kapusta**:	last day of STF ship auction https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/stl-ship-auction-on-deimos-antares-region/4126/5

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STL ship Auction on Deimos Antares region
My bid is 450.000 ICA
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**rain9441**:	I'm cool w/ engineers


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**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone here able to sell C?


[11-Feb-22 11:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	and possibly also RAT and DW


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**Dover**:	yikes. I'm out of RAT and DW also.


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**Airbus_Flyer**:	Does anyone have like 25 FLX spare? Would be willing to pay premium over CX.


[11-Feb-22 06:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Airbus_Flyer**:	120/u for FLX anyone?


[11-Feb-22 06:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Airbus_Flyer**:	I only need 10-15


[11-Feb-22 06:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	can you place buys or are you waiting for someone to post a sell?


[11-Feb-22 06:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Airbus_Flyer**:	I don't have PRO so would need some else to post


[11-Feb-22 06:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	ok


[11-Feb-22 06:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	I can prob spare a little, 80/u ok?


[11-Feb-22 06:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Airbus_Flyer**:	sure


[11-Feb-22 06:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Airbus_Flyer**:	Thank you!


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**Namthorn**:	nw


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**yaro111**:	2nd STL ship auction https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/2nd-stl-ship-auction-on-deimos-antares-region/4167

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2nd STL ship Auction on Deimos Antares region
Cooperation kapusta & yaro111 present:  2nd STL ship auction with glass-based STL Engine. Cargo bay 500m3/500t.  Small STL fuel tank (1500) without Hull plate. You can buy cheap BHP or LHP on CX.  Perfect for any system, specially Antares I or II system.  Starting bid 400k  Auction end 11am (uk time/UTC/GMT 0) Sunday 20.02.2022  Material collect...
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**DoopyDoopz**:	Sup Deimos


[12-Feb-22 03:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	hey could I get an emergency 100 rat and water?


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**Bobemor**:	Anyone need anything shipped from ANT?


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[13-Feb-22 05:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	couple shipping ads up on Ice Station Alpha (LM SE-110c), 8600AIC/ad


[13-Feb-22 05:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	SE-110c -> ANT


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**MisterP**:	Greetings! Just started playing last week, getting my head round all the bits and pieces. Any tips for a complete newb??


[14-Feb-22 06:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	go construction first :) join corp, earn extra money on shipping contracts, check handbook and https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/

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Community Resources :: Prosperous Universe Wiki
Prosperous Universe Wiki


[14-Feb-22 06:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MisterP**:	Thanks! I've got some production going. I tried some shipping but said I was rated yet so couldn't accept them


[14-Feb-22 06:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	I think you need pro account for contracts


[14-Feb-22 06:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MisterP**:	Ah that might be it


[14-Feb-22 07:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone got 50 carbon for Sale?


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**Red_Phoenix**:	and maybe also 5GL


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**Nirces**:	No-one wants the shipping to Nike?


[15-Feb-22 03:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	ad up to buy gl at 200/u


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**Red_Phoenix**:	askin one last time


[15-Feb-22 08:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone able to sell 50 carbon, and 10 gl


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**YJ14**:	@Red Phoenix I just started a carbon base on Deimos, so I don't quite have 50 yet but I can sell you 20 if you need to keep production going?


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**Red_Phoenix**:	sick


[15-Feb-22 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	ive listed 10 gl


[15-Feb-22 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	@YJ14 that'd be good :thumbsup:


[15-Feb-22 09:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**YJ14**:	ad is up, 300/u


[15-Feb-22 09:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	alright sweet


[15-Feb-22 11:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kharadan**:	going to ANT in 14 hours 400 t free


[15-Feb-22 01:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	so


[15-Feb-22 01:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	what's the real benefit of a glass ship here?


[15-Feb-22 01:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	is it just making the other planets in the system more worthwhile?


[15-Feb-22 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	yea, theres a H planet and FEO planet in the system


[15-Feb-22 01:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	trace amounts of other things too


[15-Feb-22 01:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	gotcha


[15-Feb-22 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	so I was wondering - where would be a good place to make a second base?


[15-Feb-22 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	is it a mostly subjective thing based on what I wanna do?


[15-Feb-22 01:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	yes


[15-Feb-22 01:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Erix_123**:	I know that one of my plans is be more or less independent for food supplies, so my next base is going on Harmonia


[15-Feb-22 01:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	people broadly take three tacks: 1. compliment their first base, 2. do something completely different, or 3. do the same again elsewhere


[15-Feb-22 01:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	i'd say only caveat would be stick to a relatively easy world to settle, don't want to be adding INS to the cost of your second base unless you're making stupid amounts of cash already


[15-Feb-22 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	also, the second base is the hardest one to build


[15-Feb-22 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	I remember barely scraping together enough stuff to put down the minimum viable base here (this was my second). my third base was "eh, I have some extra cash so I may as well"


[15-Feb-22 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	exponential growth is great :)


[15-Feb-22 03:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Looking to buy some lfbas to finish off the Art Gallery, let me know if you're a Lfab producer :)


[15-Feb-22 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Also a reminder for all that POPR is in 10 hours, 50 Engineers will be spawning, a further 50 will be following.


[15-Feb-22 04:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	Lta and lbh I added. Rest lbh I will add tomorrow


[15-Feb-22 04:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I had 7 so LBH done. If anyone would be able to even loan the lde and lse before POPR that'd be neat


[15-Feb-22 04:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	DEC may be more problematic though thinking about it


[15-Feb-22 04:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	29 lde and 15 lse I can borrow


[15-Feb-22 04:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	If needed


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**Bobemor**:	Further demand for Engineers, but will need more next week or they will leave.


[16-Feb-22 02:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	But tech demand hasn't increased so will see them start to get increasingly unhappy. But all in all seems quite good, everyone is able to easily get the populations they want for very little POPI investment.


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**thejeffcooper**:	RATs for sale on the LM at 55/u


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**Bobemor**:	Anyone able to sell 10 DEC, 32 LDE, or 32 LSE for the Deimos Art Gallery?


[16-Feb-22 05:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone here sell SI?


[16-Feb-22 05:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	SIO*


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[16-Feb-22 10:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	Looking for 200+ LST and 10+ SIO. 85/u for the LST and 70/u for the SIO


[17-Feb-22 03:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	Your better buying the lst on Nike for 38-40 each, 183 is a full load, 12 hours each way on low fuel, al sells well on Nike lm too (185 full load) or there’s a couple of us who can provide a load to take


[17-Feb-22 03:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	you should consider another base on Nike for your pp it has the 25% construction bonus and all the lst you could possibly need.


[17-Feb-22 06:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**kapusta**:	can anyone help me with FF? ad on LM


[17-Feb-22 07:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**kapusta**:	thanks


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**Red_Phoenix**:	hey can I get some MCG


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**JustMax**:	i can get you 44


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**Red_Phoenix**:	hey hey


[18-Feb-22 09:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	can I get some Carbon?


[18-Feb-22 09:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	50 ideally.


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**Nirces**:	Order up for GL on LM 200/u i


[19-Feb-22 04:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	if anyone has 50?


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[19-Feb-22 12:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Some buys on the LM for some LDE and LSE lots that will go to the Art Gallery


[19-Feb-22 12:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	From what i've currently been told I won't be immediately doing an Engineer programme after the 2nd one, as there doesn't seem to be enough demand to justify it. If you are planning to need engineers either build them before next popr or let me know


[19-Feb-22 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	I really should build an engi hab...


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[19-Feb-22 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	you really should before the next popr


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[19-Feb-22 03:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Anyone got a line on some "cheap" insufoam [INS] or Hardened structs [HSE]?


[19-Feb-22 03:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I've got a stupid idea I'm planning...


[19-Feb-22 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	theres like 50 million on the CX for cheap


[19-Feb-22 03:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	The INS at ANT? Sure, I guess I was mostly curious if that was a reasonable price or not


[19-Feb-22 04:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	I think on cx is very good INS price


[19-Feb-22 05:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Fair enough. Thanks for the info!


[19-Feb-22 11:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	wtb 50 Carbon, 330/u


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[20-Feb-22 07:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	3rd STL ship auction https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/3rd-stl-ship-auction-on-deimos-antares-region/4206

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3rd STL ship Auction on Deimos Antares region
Cooperation kapusta & yaro111 present:  3rd STL ship auction with glass-based STL Engine. Cargo bay 500m3/500t. Small STL fuel tank (1500) without Hull plate . You can buy cheap BHP or LHP on CX.  Perfect for any system, specially Antares I or II system.  Starting bid 400k  Auction end 11am (uk time/UTC/GMT 0) Sunday 27.02.2022  Material collect...
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[20-Feb-22 09:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	:)


[20-Feb-22 11:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone here got MCG?


[20-Feb-22 11:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	I need enough to get a BMP and a hab


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**Erix_123**:	@Red_Phoenix How much do you need? I'll put up an ad at 19/u


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**Red_Phoenix**:	how about 200


[20-Feb-22 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	@Erix_123


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**Red_Phoenix**:	sweet thanks


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**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone got C?


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**Erix_123**:	I can sell up to 36 C at 325/u


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**Red_Phoenix**:	sweet


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**Red_Phoenix**:	I'll take it


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**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone here sell O or Flx?


[20-Feb-22 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I've got O, how much you need?


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**Emperyan**:	I can let go of up to 100 units.


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**Red_Phoenix**:	I need 56 O


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**Red_Phoenix**:	@Emperyan sorry only just saw


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**Emperyan**:	No worries, put up a buy and I got you.


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**Red_Phoenix**:	erm


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**Red_Phoenix**:	I can't post


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**Red_Phoenix**:	only accept


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**thejeffcooper**:	If anyone has a spare ship and wants to make 12k, I have a shipping ad on the LM from here to avalon for 8k, plus another one from HRT back here at 4k. The return trip has ~85t remaining if you wanna stock up on goodies from HRT


[20-Feb-22 09:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	LMA ZV-759c/16142 and LMA ZV-759c/16401


[20-Feb-22 09:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	(I can repost them in AIC if that's all that's stopping someone)


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**Erix_123**:	@thejeffcooper I got you


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**thejeffcooper**:	Thanks!


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**Red_Phoenix**:	heyhey anyone here sell SIO?


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**Emperyan**:	@Red_Phoenix posted an O ad for you if you still need.


[21-Feb-22 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	just 10 dec short for the ART, would love to have that sorted by POPR so do let me know if you have DEC on Deimos you can sell


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**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone here sell RATs and DWs and OVEs?


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**thejeffcooper**:	anyone have FLX?


[22-Feb-22 01:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	buying at CX ask price: LMA ZV-759c/16397


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**thejeffcooper**:	anyone have 100 DW they're willing to trade for 102 RAT?


[23-Feb-22 03:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Hmm, looks like no one actually wants tech or engineers here for a while. That keeps things simple I guess


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**Red_Phoenix**:	hey anyone got PT or EXO?


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**mikalai**:	I got EXO @125, how much do you need? Please post a buy


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**Red_Phoenix**:	I can't post buys sorry


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**Red_Phoenix**:	but I need like, 10.


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**Castinar**:	anyone w/ a small amt of MCG available to sell?  Have a buy on LM


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**thejeffcooper**:	ugh, I knew I was forgetting something. turns out: it was FLX! LM buy ads posted at 110/u if anyone can fill them pls


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**Scorus**:	Yeah, gotcha.


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**Nirces**:	Is anyone selling Iron or Iron Ore on the LM here?


[26-Feb-22 05:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	I'm selling shiploads of iron ore on LM ZV-759b, but shipping to Deimos is an issue


[26-Feb-22 06:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Yeah, generally speaking anyone who has bothered transporting iron ore here tends to plan to use it themselves rather than selling it.


[26-Feb-22 07:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	my stl ship here is pretty idle, i can ferry more over if there is more demand


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**rain9441**:	but why is anyone buying iron here?


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**Nirces**:	just a future concern, require bits and pieces for electronics and Iron is in short supply in Antares


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**Nirces**:	I'm running 2 FS for stage 1, and having trouble keeping them with inputs, prefer copper when I can get it, but need some Iron and Steel


[26-Feb-22 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	would just prefer some FE to keep the FS afloat, might demolish 1 of them, they paid for themselves twice over making BCO


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**Red_Phoenix**:	hey


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**Red_Phoenix**:	can anyone sell a bit of LST?


[26-Feb-22 09:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	i did some... rather inconvinent miscaculations


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**Namthorn**:	how much do you need?


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**Bobemor**:	i can sell 1 unit


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**Emperyan**:	Hey, need some emergency DW... ad posted for 20 units at $75 ea


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**Red_Phoenix**:	@Namethor like 50


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**Red_Phoenix**:	also, I need some SF.


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**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone got STL fuel?


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**Red_Phoenix**:	just a scoop?


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**Red_Phoenix**:	a pinch?


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**Slomes**:	ALO is back in stock on LM


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**Slomes**:	kinda forgot to relist for a bit, sorry ^^


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**Yang_Mills**:	Greetings, Deimians!


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**Namthorn**:	allo


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**Red_Phoenix**:	hey hey


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**Red_Phoenix**:	can I get some PT?


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**Kharadan**:	up to 10 for 300/u


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**Red_Phoenix**:	I can do that


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**Red_Phoenix**:	if you can post order


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**Kharadan**:	on it


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**Kharadan**:	up


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**Red_Phoenix**:	hey hey anyone able to sell some SF?


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**Bobemor**:	yeah


[01-Mar-22 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	No program will be running with POPR btw, We've got mass unemployment across the board currently. I'm aware of some Engineer potential demand but it seems unfair to risk Deimos tax on potential when we could just wait a week and deal with absolutes. Especially since there's about 50 unemployed engineers anyway.


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**alucard998**:	fyi, I did get my stuff together this week, so 101 open engi jobs in my base


[01-Mar-22 12:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	that's not advocacy for a program, just closing the loop


[01-Mar-22 01:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	hmm


[01-Mar-22 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	we're able to initiate a program after the report, right?


[01-Mar-22 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	oh I see, no program is running right now


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**Bobemor**:	We've got 6 days to work out what we want


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**Bobemor**:	Issue is Edu3 will generate quite a lot of Engineers, which could then tank happiness for a bit if  no one wants them. Then we just end up pendulum swinging around


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**Nirces**:	no-one selling glass on the lm? buy order up


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**Emperyan**:	As soon as I've got my Bad Idea Base™ up and running I'm going to start expanding into Engineers... probably not soon enough though


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**Nirces**:	no takers for the glass ar 186/u?


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**Red_Phoenix**:	alas I have my own glass oven now


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**thejeffcooper**:	anyone have FLX they can spare?


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**Bobemor**:	anyone got a ship coming back from ANT?


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**Emperyan**:	Not that I think you need it anymore but I'll be coming back from ANT tonight Bobemor... hit me up if you need


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**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone able to sell FLX?


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**Red_Phoenix**:	& Oxygen


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**Bobemor**:	Thanks emperyan, but just sorted myself


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**alucard998**:	Whoa, this is a pg channel, gov!


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**Namthorn**:	a PG channel? no this is an AL channel


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**Namthorn**:	:P


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**Bobemor**:	I'll sort you out in a minute @alucard998 >:(


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**Slomes**:	xD


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**Nirces**:	Shipping ad up at ANT to Deimos for anyone interested and somone was selling BHP cheaply on the LM, anymore of that about?


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**yaro111**:	Last STL ship Listing on Deimos Antares region 500k Buy it Now https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/last-stl-ship-listing-on-deimos-antares-region-500k-buy-it-now/4288

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Cooperation kapusta & yaro111 present:  Last STL ship listing with glass-based STL Engine. Cargo bay 500m3/500t. Small STL fuel tank (1500) without Hull plate . You can buy cheap BHP or LHP on CX.  Perfect for any system, specially Antares I or II system.  Buy it now offer 500k  Material collection Deimos. We accept all currencies  Please post “...
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**Mumzhar**:	I'm rebuilding my HWP. As long as there is AL, there will be BHP and LHP available on demand


[06-Mar-22 08:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	I have buy order for LHP on cx


[06-Mar-22 08:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	should be filled in a few days


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**yaro111**:	Last ship sold :D


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**Nirces**:	Hoping to buy an FTL one in about 3months :P


[06-Mar-22 10:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yaro111**:	We are producing first FTL 2000 cargo for auction. Around 60% is done :)


[06-Mar-22 01:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Does anyone need anything shipped to the  ANT CX from Deimos? I have a hip leaving in the next hour or so that would run empty on the trip there otherwise


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**Bobemor**:	Anyone selling pe on deimos?


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**Kaygran**:	how much do you need?? i can sell you some


[07-Mar-22 03:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	I have 900 Surplus, though I doubt that's anywhere near the amount you need. I can trade for 7H & 7C or 2700 AIC


[07-Mar-22 04:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	14H & 7C of course. Still don't have all my ratios memorized, sorry.


[07-Mar-22 05:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I've put up 4 ads on LM for 1k pe at 4.5/u


[07-Mar-22 05:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Even better. Fulfilled one of them and added more PE to my queue. Will take some time with only one BMP, though.


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**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone here sell BDE?


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**Kharadan**:	just say how many


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**Red_Phoenix**:	just 5 for now


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**Kharadan**:	ad up. Sorry for delay, work got in the way


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**Red_Phoenix**:	got it, thank ya much.


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**Bobemor**:	There will be an EDU3 program running this popr btw, so if you want techs or engs, there will certainly be plenty


[07-Mar-22 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	(I've had confirmation people will be needing them by next popr)


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**Bobemor**:	You guys are your tech usage. Consistency and forward planning is not words in your tech vocabulary 😭😭


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**alucard998**:	Do we need to do something about lower tier happiness?


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**Kaygran**:	maybe they need more safety?? no idea indeed how this mecanics works


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**DiggingLake**:	Probably not: they had fairly high unemployment, so that is likely depressing the happiness figures.


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**Emperyan**:	Anybody have some GRN they want to sell? Say 50 units? I got you covered


[09-Mar-22 10:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	I could spare 50 GRN sure


[09-Mar-22 10:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	anyone here has a HWP and wants to make me BWH?


[09-Mar-22 10:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	I'd take either 72 or 80 units


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**Mumzhar**:	@Slomes maybe. I have to check my FAL and KV suppliers first


[09-Mar-22 05:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	lemme know!


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**Xr30vwX**:	hi


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**Dover**:	Repair orders posted


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**Dover**:	Repair orders posted


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**Mumzhar**:	I filled what I could


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**Mumzhar**:	I filled what I could


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**Bobemor**:	anyone got any thf for sale?


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**Kaygran**:	hi does anyone knows whith whom i can speak to build an STL ship around here??


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**Nirces**:	all the parts are sold on the CX


[13-Mar-22 07:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	you will need a BRS (215k) a CQT (130k), a GEN (160k), 1 SCB (40k), 1SSL(~20k but missing from CX), 40 SSC (10k) and 43 BHP or LHP (also not on market, LHP are cheaper and lighter = less fuel, but take more damage)


[13-Mar-22 07:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	will set you back ~ 650k, or you can try buying the parts and shipping them, combined space is more than 500m3


[13-Mar-22 07:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tacogamer20**:	Even after repair costs LHP are better than BHP b/c of the cost difference.


[13-Mar-22 08:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Some buys up for PE again at 4.4/u


[13-Mar-22 09:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	I can provide scb and ssl here on planet


[13-Mar-22 09:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tacogamer20**:	As a heads-up Bobernor, I think there are zero PIOs left to fill positions


[13-Mar-22 10:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Ah. Have you had a rapid expansion this week? It often is just a limit on the pios availble for redistro midweek that causes issues.


[13-Mar-22 10:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I would be very surprised if we've used up 7k of PIOs without a considerable number of new bases dropping


[13-Mar-22 10:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	as far as I understand POPR: there were 12.5% unemployed pios of previous population (74,788) available before POPR, or ~9348. During last POPR, they were all educated into settlers and current unemployment rate of pios is 0%


[13-Mar-22 10:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	to counter workforce redistribution argument: I haven't built any pios buildings this week, and 0 pioneers are available to me if I build a new one


[13-Mar-22 10:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	new pioneers should arrive during next POPR, with maybe a second week needed before it stabilizes again


[13-Mar-22 11:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	If there is a net open jobs for pios then we should see a lot generated. But we do have a Edu3 set to happen again...


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**Slomes**:	Can i hire someone to make me either a WCB, or 100 AST and 100 FET?


[13-Mar-22 04:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	I will pay well


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**alucard998**:	Wcb ready, 320k


[13-Mar-22 05:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tacogamer20**:	I just put down a 14 EXT base and I am currently limited to the 200 that spawned with my base. Knarf from our corp is reporting the same issue as Mumz; zero PIOs are available to him. The last POPR showed a loss of 9k PIOs to SET, so I agree the problem is most likely that the education pull has stripped the unemployment pool


[13-Mar-22 05:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tacogamer20**:	An Umbra player had the same issue as well after the government programs were implemented


[13-Mar-22 05:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tacogamer20**:	Also, the PIO happiness is umber 70%. Unless this is addressed before the next report no new PIOs will spawn


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[14-Mar-22 05:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	There will be open jobs so the happiness of PIOs will shoot up a lot. Though we will have some taken by another EDU3


[14-Mar-22 07:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	@alucard998 is it gone already? I put up buy on cx but saw there was a sale in 24h for that price :<


[14-Mar-22 09:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Anybody have anything coming back from the CX? I'm a little light and could use the filler. Serious offers only ;)


[14-Mar-22 10:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	@Emperyan still looking? Give me 10 minutes. How much capacity are we talking?


[14-Mar-22 10:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	I have two shipping ads up on the Deimos LM


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**alucard998**:	Slomes, it's headed to cx now


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**Emperyan**:	250t but  it looks like someone else snapped up your shipments


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**Triqueon**:	yeah. Ah well, sorry :)


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**Slomes**:	@alucard Thanks!!


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[15-Mar-22 04:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Now would be a good time to get all your buildings people


[15-Mar-22 04:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	We are potentially fearing a bit of PIO crunch, which will be addressed next week, but if we have high demand that will lead to lots of pios spawning.


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**Bobemor**:	Edu3 was not a good decision, will be investigating what will get us most pios next round. They'll grow without input heavily next, but obviously want them ASAP.


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**Red_Phoenix**:	fuckers took my PIO


[16-Mar-22 07:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	can't have shit in detroit


[16-Mar-22 07:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Caydel**:	I know - I have a ship coming back with material to build a few more PIO buildings. I'm assuming I should do them now to increase demand for the weekend?


[16-Mar-22 07:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	popr isnt for 6 days


[16-Mar-22 07:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	so you likely wont see those PIOs until then


[16-Mar-22 07:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	boo


[16-Mar-22 07:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	i'm at greatly reduced efficiency :(


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[16-Mar-22 08:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	@caydel I would advise doing them next Tuesday honestly.


[16-Mar-22 08:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I'm currently looking into what's going to be best to avoid wild swings on popr and steady the ship, but this definitely isn't a good situation for a week.


[16-Mar-22 08:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	We're not anticipating the issue lasting over a week though luckily.


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[16-Mar-22 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	Just to understand this correctly - The population on Deimos is 58.227 pioneers - The unemployment in 0,0% - If I construct a pioneers building fx. Smelter - Is there no pioneers to work on it ?! (I have a capacity of 300, but only 200 in current workforce)


[16-Mar-22 10:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hildron**:	Yes that's correct


[16-Mar-22 10:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hildron**:	Your 200 pios get distributed evenly when building a new smelter


[16-Mar-22 10:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Erix_123**:	You can still build it and it will still work. It's just that if you have a workforce of 200 pioneers with 250 jobs, all those buildings will get a 80% efficiency modifier


[16-Mar-22 10:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hildron**:	until next POPR


[16-Mar-22 10:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	ok super smart - so this is a game, with reduced effiency is you expand - lol


[16-Mar-22 10:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	so new players will hit the "wall" after 7-10 days - super smart


[16-Mar-22 10:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	how will get more to play the game then ?!


[16-Mar-22 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hildron**:	normally you will get all your pioneers with next popr at the latest. But there was a new mechanic introduced with last patch (governors can run different programs) which we don't know the outcomes yet.


[16-Mar-22 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hildron**:	Deimos ran a education program which lead to many pioneers getting settlers


[16-Mar-22 10:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	so the advanced players "the old ones" - can make a setup that stops the newcomers - ?!?


[16-Mar-22 10:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	room for improvement - if you want people to play the game


[16-Mar-22 10:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	it's not intentional, as everyone needs lower tier workers and the goods they produce


[16-Mar-22 10:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	was just an admin error which the gov is gonna fix next popr


[16-Mar-22 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	And the next popr is in ?? days


[16-Mar-22 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	it's every week


[16-Mar-22 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	last one was ~8 hours ago


[16-Mar-22 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	So its up to "Bobemor" to change it in 7 days ?!


[16-Mar-22 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	to make sure the infrastructure is in place and maintained to attract more pioneers to deimos, yes


[16-Mar-22 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	it should balance out naturally provided we dont have any more edu 3 programs ran


[16-Mar-22 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	So if "Bobemor" don't change it - We will have the same problems the coming weeks


[16-Mar-22 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	if the same thing as last popr was done blindly then yes


[16-Mar-22 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	but bob has clearly acknowledged the issue


[16-Mar-22 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	so i doubt that will happen


[16-Mar-22 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	So the Gov don´t understand the mechanic's ?


[16-Mar-22 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	Lets be sure to re-elect him


[16-Mar-22 10:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hildron**:	No one understands the mechanics yet, as the feature got introduced recently


[16-Mar-22 10:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hildron**:	It's trial and error to get some data to figure out underlying formulas


[16-Mar-22 10:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	do you know if the nerf to edu 3 has happened yet or is it still a flat 0.3 added onto the education rate?


[16-Mar-22 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	Ok np - you made a change in the mechanics, no one understands - lets hope you find a way to correct it then :-)


[16-Mar-22 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hildron**:	Don't know sorry


[16-Mar-22 10:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	np


[16-Mar-22 10:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone need shipping to ANT


[16-Mar-22 11:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kaygran**:	yeah i need some LM adds on


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**DiggingLake**:	I'm fairly certain the nerf to the EDU program hasn't happened yet, given the outcome.


[16-Mar-22 12:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Hopefully we can throw a big enough party to get all the workers back next week.


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[16-Mar-22 01:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	@Bobby watcha doin there


[16-Mar-22 01:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	do i need to leave retirement?


[16-Mar-22 05:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	To put it simply: yes I messed up. I misread the previous POPR. I didn't quite realise that the totals given in it were for before the change in POPR, that isn't actually a new change so that was dumb from me. I'd already set the Edu3 to start when Tacogamer highlighted the issue, so there was nothing that could be done at that point.


[16-Mar-22 05:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Currently I'm trying to work out whether Festivites III or Family Support III will have the biggest impact. There's still a few days left for that though, so i'm not going to be rushing that decision at all.


[16-Mar-22 05:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	The SST is fully equipped, with no further action we will see PIOs go to above 70% happiness and start growing sharply, so that's at least some positive. But currently trying to establish which will have the most impact to 'right the ship' fastest.


[16-Mar-22 05:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	@Fairone you are absolute correct, this situation does suck, and it will be most felt by newer players. (I'm going to be sure to feed that back to the devs). It may not mean much but to some extent I think it shows some of the strengths of PrUn, this was a (foolish) player decision, that has had an impact on other players, which will have market impacts on the economy (AL production will be done a notable amount for a week). It shows the connection of systems together in the game coming together to effect one another, which would be great to see if it wasn't my fault!


[16-Mar-22 05:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	You are also absoluely able to not vote for me again, the election opens in less than a day. I will run again almost entirely to try and sort the mess that I made, but anyone is free to run against me, and anyone is free to vote for someone else.


[16-Mar-22 05:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I'm sorry guys :(


[16-Mar-22 05:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	Mistakes happen, let's see how we get back on track!


[16-Mar-22 06:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	plz fix education


[16-Mar-22 06:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tacogamer20**:	I ran what I pointed out by PiBoy and even he vouched for Bob's plan of using open jobs to spawn PIOs. These mechanic changes have no precedent, and it is an unreasonable standard to expect every player to be perfect at their jobs. Bob is working to correct it, and that is good enough for me. I see no reason Bob is unfit to get re-elected.


[16-Mar-22 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Scorus**:	I wonder if part of this is that they only rolled out part of the government changes that they had planned together? The other part spread the work across multiple people, which might have allowed for some mitigation.


[16-Mar-22 07:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	on the bright side: less RAT and DW needed for a few days


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**McCowen**:	If PiBoy doesn't know how the mechanic works, no one does.


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**AttilaZeHun**:	easy for you established guys to say when us new players are having a hard time getting started with no PIOs..


[17-Mar-22 09:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tacogamer20**:	We all recognize that a loss of PIOs impacts newer players the most. Yes, it is easier for older players to be less frustrated. However, we all agree that a PIO shortage needs to be corrected quickly, and Bob is working on it as much as any other governor could and would.


[17-Mar-22 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	Ofc mistakes are made np. Its more you have a game mechanic, where "top" players can stop "newcomers" from expanding and implementering mechanics where nobody or few understands the implications. Both will limit expansion or slow down the games progress.


[17-Mar-22 09:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	But it a learning game - so no worries


[17-Mar-22 11:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Just to clarify, there is absolutely not malicious intent behind this, incompetence perhaps, but definitely not maliciousness


[17-Mar-22 11:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	To some extent if this problem was to persist and some older players were to intentionally keep trying to reduce Pios it would actually effect the largest pio bases most and smaller likely newer players least due to how the redistribution works.


[17-Mar-22 12:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
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[17-Mar-22 01:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	I lost over 268 pios out of 1140. New players can't expand for a week. Old players have several buildings not working anymore.


[17-Mar-22 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Caydel**:	Election time. Bobemor 4 LIFE!... or at least the next cycle ;')


[17-Mar-22 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	ouch, that's like 5 SME and some change offline


[17-Mar-22 02:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	I'm out 427 pios out of 1790


[17-Mar-22 02:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	prolly fine.


[17-Mar-22 02:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	next week price of AL doubles because of it :shrug:


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[17-Mar-22 05:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	im surprised AL hasn't risen already


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[17-Mar-22 10:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	actually looking at the prices now, our PIO crisis is probably why silicon has sharply risen in price on AI1 last 2 weeks no?


[17-Mar-22 10:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	because the price of silicon ore itself hasn't actually changed much


[17-Mar-22 10:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	so it has to be reduced production capacity on deimos + less AL


[17-Mar-22 10:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	cool to see


[17-Mar-22 11:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	I didnt think anyone seriously made or traded silicon on the CX


[17-Mar-22 11:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	it was just AML leftovers no


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[18-Mar-22 05:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	ah well let me dream in my theory lmao


[18-Mar-22 05:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	also, on the topic of the PIO crisis, as a new company im kind of uncertain about the PIO situation the week after the upcoming report next week, so i plan on rapidly expanding on teusday before the report to fulfill my expansion needs, is anyone willing to loan me 43,000 AIC, with interest and a repayment plan?


[18-Mar-22 05:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	im working out the quirks, and ill detail where the money will go, when i'll repay, etc., but any financial help would be much appreciated


[18-Mar-22 05:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Have you gone pro? Its difficult to transfer money if not.


[18-Mar-22 05:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	I have


[18-Mar-22 05:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Put an ad up to sell 1 DW for 43k AIC, and I'll transfer the money to you.


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**AttilaZeHun**:	wb the details, like interest rate, repayment date, etc etc.?


[18-Mar-22 05:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	thank you for the offer!!!


[18-Mar-22 05:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Eh, if I'm still around in a couple of months we'll see if you can pay me back the principal (0% interest). But its too hard to get started in this game, and since you say you have a plan for the cash I trust you'll put it to good use.


[18-Mar-22 05:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	oh wow, thats very generous of you


[18-Mar-22 05:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	ill post it now, thanks again!! :)


[18-Mar-22 05:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	ill be sure to remember your name <3 dw ill repay you


[18-Mar-22 08:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	(digging is actually a well known loan shark and will come round to your house to extract payment in a couple months)


[18-Mar-22 09:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tacogamer20**:	Whether you keep your kneecaps after payment is entirely your choice XD


[18-Mar-22 12:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	Better get your loans from Loan Manta Enterprises!


[18-Mar-22 12:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	we use squeaky hammers to hit your kneecaps


[18-Mar-22 01:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kaygran**:	hi


[18-Mar-22 01:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kaygran**:	has someones just 4 BBH for spare ??


[18-Mar-22 01:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kaygran**:	i do the wrong maths :(


[18-Mar-22 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kaygran**:	LM is on if someone could


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**Mumzhar**:	filled


[18-Mar-22 02:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kaygran**:	thx man :)


[18-Mar-22 03:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	we supply the overwhelming majority of AL to ANT right?


[18-Mar-22 03:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	yep


[18-Mar-22 03:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	so...theoretically speaking we can effectively make a cartel and institute a price floor? O.o


[18-Mar-22 03:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	you could. But vertically integrated people (extractor to finished product) won't care. And you can't force people to not sell for 0.01 AIC less


[18-Mar-22 03:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	true on the last part but thats a problem with cartels in general lmao


[18-Mar-22 03:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	so t would basically harm new and kind of new players the most


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**AttilaZeHun**:	?


[18-Mar-22 05:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	it's very hard to do something like that on a planet like this unless you want to screw over all smelting w/ higher taxes, as this is a starter world new people will be starting here and placing stuff on the CX


[18-Mar-22 05:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	that and messing over early game production isnt great for the game, there's a ton of later game products you can try to monopolise


[18-Mar-22 06:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	better to make a cartel with more niche goods that balance on the edge of "ugh i really dont wanna make a base for this" and "thats expensive, but not so expensive I will use a base permit to make it myself"


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**AttilaZeHun**:	ofc that all makes perfect sense, i wasnt being serious at all tbh lmao


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**Slomes**:	i mean there were actual cartel attempts last universe :D


[18-Mar-22 09:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tacogamer20**:	Sucessful attempts from what I heard. It was also after the devs announced the reset. I highly doubt this community would allow that again though. It is pretty easy to replace governors, even on starting planets


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**Scorus**:	Just one successful one, with CU. That as a test by a group of players to see if it was possible and didn't last long.


[19-Mar-22 09:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Whether it was successful or not is certianly up for debate. I don't think they made much money from it, don't think they even reduced CU availablity with how short it lasted


[19-Mar-22 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DerpyTurtle**:	Anyone need to ship from Deimos to Antares station? I got 380t and 410m free. I plan to leave soon.


[19-Mar-22 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DerpyTurtle**:	leaving in 20 min.


[19-Mar-22 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	380t available to ship on LM


[19-Mar-22 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DerpyTurtle**:	Sounds good, Shipment taken and Ship departed.


[19-Mar-22 04:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	what does C goe for on LM atm? I had spare space going Dei and brought 200


[19-Mar-22 04:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	i put it up for 300/u


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[20-Mar-22 03:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	So in 3 days we will have some pioneers on Deimos - or do we have to wait an extra week


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**Slomes**:	10 shipping ads up on "LM SE-110c" aka Ice Station Alpha


[20-Mar-22 09:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	looking for truckers


[20-Mar-22 09:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	P rated, so a good chance for anyone looking to increase their rating. easy haul, short trip, 8600AIC/load


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**Kaygran**:	hi


[21-Mar-22 04:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kaygran**:	has someone some PG for sale??? i misscalculate and my ship alredy departed


[21-Mar-22 04:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kaygran**:	i will pay 19.5 per unit


[21-Mar-22 05:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Airbus_Flyer**:	I have a bit spare how much do you need>


[21-Mar-22 05:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Airbus_Flyer**:	?


[21-Mar-22 08:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**visiOOn**:	anyone got some mcg for sale


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[22-Mar-22 04:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	@visiOOn depends on how much you need? 150 or so I could spare, at 2600 for the lot.


[22-Mar-22 04:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**visiOOn**:	i got it thank u @Triqueon


[22-Mar-22 07:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	I have 2 shipping ads to Griffonstone (one is way down the list) that would fill a ship.


[22-Mar-22 07:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	popr is tomorrow right?


[22-Mar-22 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	should be


[22-Mar-22 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	also turns out gonna need another loan of 26,720 AIC asap, anybody willing and able?


[22-Mar-22 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	rapid expansion baby


[22-Mar-22 08:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AttilaZeHun**:	correction: need 36,640 AIC


[22-Mar-22 08:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	If anyone has Stuff coming back from the CX today, I have a small shippingorder up on the Deimos LM :)


[22-Mar-22 10:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Caydel**:	Just grabbed it


[22-Mar-22 12:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Ty


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**Triqueon**:	What time today is popr?


[23-Mar-22 02:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hildron**:	now ;)


[23-Mar-22 02:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Ask a stupid question... :-)


[23-Mar-22 04:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Possibly next stupid question: ist the 20% bonus from festivities on happiness a flat (additive) 20% or is it multiplicative? If it's the first one, I see engineer and scientist revolts in our future :D (Asking more out of curiosity than anything else, anything higher than settlers won't affect me personally for quite some time)


[23-Mar-22 04:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kaygran**:	has someone some PE to sell??


[23-Mar-22 05:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	Hurrayyy - Pioneers with a workpermit


[23-Mar-22 07:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Broken_Marrow**:	Woohoo! Back to work, peons! And a healthy buffer, besides.


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[23-Mar-22 08:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Caydel**:	Making a run to Nike for Limestone sometime in the next few days. Anyone have any shipping needs to go that way?


[23-Mar-22 08:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Turns out mass planet wide festivities results in a pregnancy boom. Who knew?


[23-Mar-22 08:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	But in other news my understanding is that we now are back with a PIO surplus. I'm going to try and steady the ship for the next few POPR: no programs, just SST feeding and a bit of PAR.


[23-Mar-22 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	@Troqueon I think the current understanding is it just ads a flat 20%. Higher pops aren't happy but they're artificially very high right now with next to no demand. Scientists will leave if no one wants them here and no one really wants any Engineers.


[23-Mar-22 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	(They've also got quite a lot of pop to burn through before anyone's in danger of losing any)


[23-Mar-22 09:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Wait, okay, I still don't get it. If we have a PIO surplus, why does it say "Open jobs: 7,878" on the POPR?


[23-Mar-22 09:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Ah. Looking through the last couple of POPRs, while the Population given refers to the number *after* the POPR, Happiness, Unemployment and Open jobs evidently reference what each of those were before the current POPR. That seems like it's deliberately confusing, but okay. Will stop with the questions for today.


[23-Mar-22 09:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Caydel**:	How can you see current available PIOs? I saw the same as Triqueon, and assumed we still had a 7.8k PIO deficit


[23-Mar-22 09:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Caydel**:	so I was holding off building more today


[23-Mar-22 09:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	should be the number in brackets in the construct buffer


[23-Mar-22 10:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tacogamer20**:	I was also confused on how the POPR reports work before I talked with PiBoy about the backend mechanics. The POPR is generated piecewise, with a few feedback loops. The end result is that some of the numbers (open jobs and unemployment) are reflective of the beginning of the generation process, and some numbers (migration) are generated towards the end.


[23-Mar-22 10:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tacogamer20**:	So, yes, the POPR can be extremely confusing and easily misinterpreted


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[23-Mar-22 02:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Mumzhar**:	number in brackets in the construct buffer is the maximum number you are able to get if you build right now. Total available number is a bit higher as there are limits to prevent someone from grabbing all of them


[23-Mar-22 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	7,878 is the number of open jobs we had when the POPR started calculating. We've then have 13,079 be created. So we should have a 5,201 pio surplus.


[23-Mar-22 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	We then get into the sticky territory of the reserve pile and how that's divided, which is very unclear. But everyone (who wants) should absolutely be able to build a couple buildings worth of PIOs at least without any issues.


[23-Mar-22 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Easiest way to see is build the building and see, if it doesn't let you have enough pios you can always deconstruct within the first few hours for free (i think till it hits 24 hours)


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**Scorus**:	I thought it was 1 hour?


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**Triqueon**:	I don't mind that the numbers represent different points in time, it's the fact that you could easily indicate that by changing the Heading (i.e. "New population") or, at the very least, put that info in the already existing tooltips, which currently hold such "useful" information as that "Unemployment" means the rate of workers with no job


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**Tacogamer20**:	Yeah. To be clear, I agree with you and am not defending how the report is labeled and managed.


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**Red_Phoenix**:	fuckers took my PIO


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**Red_Phoenix**:	can't have shit on Deimos


[24-Mar-22 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	What do you mean?


[24-Mar-22 09:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	7.878 open jobs  - and no pioneers left


[24-Mar-22 09:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	but there is still "470" in the buffet/reserve pile


[24-Mar-22 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Open jobs is before the new jobs were added. We’ve currently got a PIO surplus, which is why there are some available for you in the reserve.


[24-Mar-22 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	*before the new workers were added


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**Fairone**:	^


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**Bobemor**:	Thanks for the new term Deimos :)


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**Caydel**:	Governor for life! (until the revolution)


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**Bobemor**:	Anyone importing DW to Deimos? Would love to look at setting up some bulk buys for the SST needs


[27-Mar-22 03:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kaygran**:	i can increase production but i dont know if i will be able to fullfill all the demand, How much is needed??


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**rain9441**:	Maybe consider just setting up a bulk buy on the CX


[27-Mar-22 04:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	I don't see why it needs to be more complicated


[27-Mar-22 04:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**rain9441**:	or just buy it from the CX


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**Bobemor**:	I've just switched the governorship tax collection Corp to a separate governorship Corp as I'm leaving FIOC. No money will be lost as I'll be accounting for both collections next week :)


[28-Mar-22 02:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	@rain9441 yes I'll probably do that, but my hope was buying direct from a supplier may be cheaper


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**Red_Phoenix**:	can I get some SIO gamers?


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**Triqueon**:	Anyone need something shipped from the CX to Deimos this afternoon/evening? I have a ship leaving AI1 at about 19h CEST


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[29-Mar-22 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	I could send some stuff. Please let me know how much space you have (m3/t)


[29-Mar-22 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	496m^3/496.8t


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**AttilaZeHun**:	I'll take you up on that offer if there's leftover room


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**alucard998**:	LMA ANT/1622


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**Triqueon**:	Attila got there first, sorry. I'll probably be doing another trip tomorrow though


[29-Mar-22 03:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	*alucard got there first. It's late, i should go sleep :D


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**Nirces**:	anyone have 10 SIO?


[30-Mar-22 04:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	cheers


[30-Mar-22 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Caydel**:	Have a ship that needs to head from Antares 1 to Deimos. I have 480/480 space available, happy to take cargo


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**Caydel**:	ended up sending it.


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**Namthorn**:	is it just me, or does the next CoGC program say "resource extraction", despite the overwhelming majority voting for metallurgy?


[30-Mar-22 11:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	I just went and voted for metallurgy and now it says metallurgy


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**thejeffcooper**:	it's probably a bug, but I suppose it's possible that my votes are the only ones that matter


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**McCowen**:	Umbra had this bug, now its stuck with Electronics not Chemistry ...


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**WhosRodrix**:	Can any owners who have agri buildings setup for producing consumables tell me if its worth it


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**Namthorn**:	worth it here or worth it in general?


[31-Mar-22 08:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Depends on what you're trying to do, I guess. Making money, you're better off with most other things. If you want a self-sufficient base: Possible, but exhausting on Deimos. I'm barely keeping my 500 workers supplied with 2 rigs, 2 farms and a food processor (although the farm does produce some side stuff


[31-Mar-22 10:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kaygran**:	add for shipping from ANT to Deimos for if somebody is going to do that route soon


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**Kaygran**:	much appreciated


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**Caydel**:	I do my own DW and RAT for my 680 workers. 3 rigs, 3 farms and 1 FP keep it going, although my farms are also powering an INC for C


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**Caydel**:	It's not lost on me that almost half my workers are engaged in providing enough food


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**DerpyTurtle**:	ad posted: Buying 10 DW. 70AIC each


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**DerpyTurtle**:	Ad claimed. and fulfilled.


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**Bobemor**:	What's going rate for ALO on Deimos at the moment? Looking to buy


[02-Apr-22 09:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Without any big sells pushing it down? CX average price is what I'd go by.


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**Caydel**:	Ask amount is 90 on AL.AI1


[02-Apr-22 08:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Caydel**:	Whoops, I meant ALO.AI1


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**Caydel**:	Given that the seller doesn't have to ship, I wouldn't be surprised to see a local sale for 80 or so


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**Emperyan**:	How much you need Bobemor?


[03-Apr-22 01:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I regularly haul some to the CX as filler cargo so I'd much rather sell it to someone here...


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**Bobemor**:	@Emperyan 1k?


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**Kaygran**:	does anyone produce TRU here??


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**Mumzhar**:	I do, on Nike


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**Emperyan**:	@Bobemor Ah... That would take me a while but, if you're not in a rush, I can build a stockpile rather than hauling to the CX


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**Dover**:	Where's all the usual ALO ads?


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**Mumzhar**:	in Slomes' warehouse


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**DiggingLake**:	Slomes has forgotten to clear his backlog for a while, and I went basic so I can’t post new ads (all my existing sells got taken).


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**Slomes**:	sorry lads


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**Slomes**:	fresh ALO on LM


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**Bobemor**:	I have loads of TRU i'm happy to sell on here for a bit lower than the CX @Kaygran


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**Bobemor**:	@Emperyan if you do a reasonable bulk price then yes that would be good


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**Kaygran**:	Thx Bobemor i will contact you in the future


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**Bobemor**:	Discord is typically best :)


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**Triqueon**:	If anyone needs shipping from the cx, I have a hip with 480m3/380t Capacity left over leaving the CX in about 6 hrs.


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**Kaygran**:	i have a shipment for 250t from ANT to here if could take it i would apreciated it


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**Triqueon**:	Loaded and underway


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**Kaygran**:	Thx Triqueon


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**Kaygran**:	Does someone here produces HSE???


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**Emperyan**:	HSE are hard to come by... no one really wants to build those high pressure bases due to the expense. Trust me, there's a reason I called it "Bad Idea Base"


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**Emperyan**:	@bobemor always happy to negotiate. I'll build up the stockpile and get in touch. It's not like the stuff goes bad...


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**Mumzhar**:	I will have HSE on CX in one or two weeks


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**Kaygran**:	ok thx for your answers


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**McCowen**:	@Kaygran speak to PiBoy314


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**alucard998**:	I will pay 1000 AIC for 15 ff posted as a sell ad


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**alucard998**:	filled, thanks


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**Bobemor**:	Hi all, just a reminder that your taxes cover the COGC (unless i've got some major calculation error on my spreadsheet!). Donations are of course welcome, but they aren't needed :)


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**Emperyan**:	If anyone has a few (5) BBH kicking around locally, I've got a buy order up for 5 @ full CX ask


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**thejeffcooper**:	anyone need RATs? put up a buy at 75/u (3/u less than CX!) and I'll fill it. I have about 1500 I can spare


[07-Apr-22 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	Is there any "food"-planet near Deimos ?


[07-Apr-22 03:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Fairone**:	or do you have to bring in the water from the Ice Station


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**Fairone**:	or is Harmonia the best option


[07-Apr-22 03:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	I make my food in HRT space (promitor + avalon) and import it when I'm coming here for AL


[07-Apr-22 03:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	There's at least one planet with better fertility and h2o/o (both of which, I believe are prerequisites for fertility) 4 or so jumps away


[07-Apr-22 03:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	If it matters, I can look it up, it's on my list of possible planets for a second base.


[07-Apr-22 03:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	It's nearly uninhabited though, so you may get better efficiency/bonuses elsewhere where theres a COGC or the like


[07-Apr-22 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Ok, nevermind. KI-446b is 8 Jumps from ANT, at which point you can just try for promitor, which has more O, more H20 and HAL and N. Unless Promitor is full, that makes it the strictly better option


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**Triqueon**:	Etherwind is another decent candidate, although it has rather low fertility


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**Slomes**:	you can settle Harmonia, and get ISA H2O from CX or ISA directly!


[07-Apr-22 07:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	since you can move 2500 H2O in one shipload its perfectly fine for farming etc.


[07-Apr-22 07:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	im lowering prices by a good bit as soon as RES COGC kicks in on ISA (i built it not too long ago)


[07-Apr-22 07:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Slomes**:	Im also posting regular shipping ads ISA -> ANT, so you could fly ISA, grab a load, bring it to CX (and make money by shipping, then grab H2O on cx, and bring it to Harmonia


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**Slomes**:	or just grab it straight from ISA when i post sells ^^


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**Fairone**:	ok - thx for the input


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**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone here got OVE?


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**DiggingLake**:	A lot of people probably have at least some OVE spare: it just depends how much you are looking for.


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**Triqueon**:	I put some small amount on the LM


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**Nirces**:	is there anyone who can make an SSL?


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**Kaygran**:	i bought one once from @Kerpuffle but i wish you good luck trying to contact him


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**DiggingLake**:	Best way to contact Kerpuffle is on the FIOC discord server.


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**Nirces**:	I sent a message, SSL is the last part outstanding :P


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**Bobemor**:	Apologies for the hiccup with the COGC today, thank you to @McCowen for fixing.


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**Bobemor**:	Anyone selling C here regularly?


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**alucard998**:	Nieces, I can sell you one here or on ant cx


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**alucard998**:	20k


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**Nirces**:	ads up for 3 BDE and 3 BSE @ 1200pu, if anyone can spare a few (payment will be made in morning if filled)


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**DerpyTurtle**:	Shipping from deimos to Antares station soon, I have 300m and 229t free.


[14-Apr-22 03:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Insensless**:	Hey guys just an FYI, business as usual. Were keeping taxes as low as they can go, except construction and extraction which will remain at 15. Festivities III is the next queued program to boost happiness


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**Insensless**:	Also, WAR has been upgraded to lvl 3


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**Insensless**:	Disregard the above messages, pasted into wrong chat..


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**DerpyTurtle**:	Shipping offer from earlier is retracted.


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**Bobemor**:	I was about to say @insensless 😂


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**Nirces**:	Now selling C in batches of 100 on the Harmonia LM for 250/pu


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**Bobemor**:	anyone selling bde?


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**alucard998**:	Hey uhhhh engineers available are going the wrong way


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**alucard998**:	Can I contribute anything to make that go up instead?


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**Bobemor**:	@alucard998 the engineers happiness is kind of wrecked by the recent weeks unhappiness. As those averages improve due to the demand should move in the right way. But that will take a few weeks and likely of less before we get more. As for POPI investment that could help I think finishing the Art Gallery then supplying that a bit would be best for engineers


[19-Apr-22 07:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Happiness program could help but we'd need to bump the base happinness before otherwise it'll still be under 50% and not up to 70%. Targetted immigration campaign might help a bit as it'll add 50 new Engineers.


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**Dover**:	Looking for: BSE 62 MCG 396 BBH 14 BDE 14 BTA 1


[19-Apr-22 08:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DerpyTurtle**:	I messed up my DW planning and need some atm. Posted a ad buying some. I need 20 and the price is 65 each


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**alucard998**:	@bobemor I've got 7 DEC, I'll work on getting 3 more. Does Deimos treasury have budget to support inputs? I can bring over HOG/MHP from phobos at 2850/mhp, 3000/hog. I'd also be willing to match purchased consumables at 1:1, so essentially buy one get one free


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**Bobemor**:	DEC has been sorted, ART will come online tomorrow.


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**Bobemor**:	As for the upkeep, issue is its expensive and only has a few people using it. Probably talking 5-6 players total. My general attitude is we'd be best looking at the lower stuff to make a platform for personal donations to have more effect. But I need to do some spend forecasting to see, it may be we have enough regardless and in that case its better spent than idled.


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**melon164**:	I'm not sure I really understand why I just lost 15% of my TECs... :angry:


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**PiBoy314**:	Because the TEC needed on the planet just exploded


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**PiBoy314**:	we went from 18% unemployment to open jobs


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**PiBoy314**:	POPI needs more funding


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**melon164**:	yeah, it went to 3% overemployment.  So why did I lose _fifteen_ percent of my existing TECs?


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**rain9441**:	because it skims off the top rather than taking a bit from everyone


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**rain9441**:	whoever has the most techs loses their techs


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**Yang_Mills**:	Greetings new players on Deimos! Are there metallurgists among you? I would recommend you to produce AL (aluminium).


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**Bobemor**:	They already are Yang :P


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**Bobemor**:	Definitely need some more POPI and I think a happiness boost this week will work if we get more POPI. But as PiBoy says the main issue is TECHs suddenly exploding.


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**Bobemor**:	The game as designed currently does not encourage sudden expansion of T3+ industries in one week.


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**PiBoy314**:	Yeah, TEC population isn't a huge issue, but y'all should probably have had festivites 3 running last week


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**PiBoy314**:	Since ENG is going to be a much bigger issue


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**Yang_Mills**:	Our corporation Ooga Booga Capital Management [OOG] is looking for dedicated aluminium producers. We operate in Antares area and are involved into ship building. Please, inquire in direct messages if you want to learn more about our corporation.


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**DiggingLake**:	Welcome to Deimos! There is a community discord server to ask questions and coordinate: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


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**Yang_Mills**:	Our corporation Ooga Booga Capital Management [OOG] is looking for dedicated aluminium producers. We operate in Antares area and are involved into ship building. Please, inquire in direct messages if you want to learn more about our corporation.


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**DiggingLake**:	Welcome to Deimos! There is a community discord server to ask questions and coordinate: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


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**Kaygran**:	hi


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**Kaygran**:	can someone sell me 4 GV at 1000AIC each???


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**Kaygran**:	LM is up


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**Bobemor**:	Welcome new people. Feel free to ask any questions you may have :)


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**Dover**:	emergency BTA posted on LM


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**Emperyan**:	Whoo, big Steam influx! Welcome all :)


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**DiggingLake**:	Welcome to Deimos! There is a community discord server to ask questions and coordinate: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


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**AttilaZeHun**:	I have an easy Antares to Deimos shipment of 15t for 700 aic if anyone has extra room


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**WhosRodrix**:	Anybody sending any commodities from ANT -> Deimos or vice-versa ping or DM me and post ad, ships start flying from Friday evening and during the weekend


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**DiggingLake**:	Welcome to Deimos! There is a community discord server to ask questions and coordinate: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


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**Bobemor**:	You've all chosen a very good planet to start on (I'd argue the strongest) welcome!


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**WhosRodrix**:	For metallurgy right?


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**PiBoy314**:	Or construction


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**WhosRodrix**:	Deimos may or may not be the best for farming


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**PiBoy314**:	Fuel refining all the way!


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**Red_Phoenix**:	welcome new Deimosians


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**WhosRodrix**:	Reminds me of Geonosians, if you know what they are


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**WhosRodrix**:	Selling Carbon on Deimos LM-759c below market price!


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**WhosRodrix**:	SOLD ^^^


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**Bobemor**:	So general tip for Deimos: Great planet for metallurgy (Smelting ALO into AL). That means it is also pretty good for Extracting ALO and O, and also Constructing prefabs from the AL.


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**Bobemor**:	Others industries naturally do well, but those are the obvious ones that will be the most natural fits. Other oppurtunies may take a bit more research of markets but certainly are viable!


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**Katsumi**:	de pana, mucha gente


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**Bobemor**:	'corduroy, lots of people'


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**Nirces**:	I have put some Cheap ALO up and some shipping contracts up


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**Three_Crown**:	Need to check my ratings. Fulfilled one, hopefully that helps


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**Nirces**:	Any GF owners fancy doing 550 TUB? I will pay 120 AIC or 125 ICA (go buy some cheap RATS at HRT)


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**alucard998**:	@nirces I can have that ready in a week. Please confirm within 2 days. PM also sent


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**DiggingLake**:	Welcome to Deimos! There is a community discord server to ask questions and coordinate: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


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**Kaygran**:	hi has someone a bit of C to spare. Like 20 should be fine add for 370/u at LM


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**Kaygran**:	thx in advanced


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**Kaygran**:	thx Nirco :)


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**Red_Phoenix**:	hey new Deimosians


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**Red_Phoenix**:	put up two shipping ads if you've got free ships


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**WhosRodrix**:	Buying ~75 -[give or take]- GRN or HCP or MAI [only one of these] for a reasonable price, post on LM ZV-759c and ping or DM


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**AegisXIV**:	im making an empty trip from deimos to antares station tonight and anyone needs transportation to and possibly from soon after


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**WhosRodrix**:	Going from Deimos -> ANTares CX, if you need anything shipped send me a message


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**DiggingLake**:	Welcome to Deimos! There is a community discord server to ask questions and coordinate: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


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**Narhoxide**:	Why is there a large influx of newcomers to this planet?


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**Narhoxide**:	The majority of the users are probably using Steam, but encouraged them to choose Deimos?


[26-Apr-22 05:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Narhoxide**:	The majority of the users are probably using Steam, but what encouraged them to choose Deimos?


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**AegisXIV**:	i started on phobos because it was near an exchange and i wanted to mine iron. someone was posting that it was basically a trap that the tutorial lures you into and suggested mining AL on deimos. thats how i ended up here this week


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**Yang_Mills**:	You did right to move to Deimos, Aegis XIV. Phobos offers very little iron. You would have been very inefficient. Deimos is the best planet for metallurgy in the area.


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**Narhoxide**:	Cool


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**Ariq**:	New, but PRO player looking to Ship some stuff, hit me up if anyone needs a shipper.


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**Bobemor**:	POPR makes interesting reading. We're there with TECHs which is good, Engineers will sort themselves but we'd obviously like a bit sooner, how best to achieve this isn't straightforward. As some of the most obvious ways could pump up pioneer numbers even further. Though majority of that increase on chart is down to new bases.


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**Bobemor**:	(~55k spawned from bases it seems)


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**Bobemor**:	They should crash down in happiness next week, but probably not enough if we go for another festivities... Will consider next steps. But if you really want engineers quickly I'd suggest looking at Art Gallery supplies.


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**Bobemor**:	(As a note for newplayers players: don't worry about POPI upkeep just yet, what you need more than gets solved by your taxes)


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**Bobemor**:	As for shipping @Ariq I'd suggest checking out the LM on KI-401d. 15k for a ship is pretty good money for a new player in my mind


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**Ariq**:	Oh heck yeah @bobemore thank you!


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**Bobemor**:	Resource Taps on Gas Giants (GGs) are often great for shipping. They often more than pay for both ways as they know you don't have shipping to there, and they're usually very profitable.


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**Ariq**:	It's gonna take a whole day, and most of my fuel to get there.  Well, 30% fuel to get there.  But so long as I end up at a CX...I can just refuel there I assume?


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**WhosRodrix**:	Ariq what are the fuel numbers for Deimos -> KI-401d on minimum fuel?


[27-Apr-22 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Ariq**:	52 STL, 93FTL


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**Ariq**:	Not really sure what reactor usage is....But that's also at MIN


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**Ariq**:	But then it's 2.5 days...so I was going to try and get there in a day


[27-Apr-22 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	That sounds about right, maybe a little more STL would help the time.


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**Bobemor**:	At 15k you can afford to go a bit faster though :P


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**Ariq**:	Fuel == STL, Reactor == FTL ?


[27-Apr-22 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Ariq**:	Ok, cool.


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**Bobemor**:	Fuel = SF and FF. SF is Slower than light Fuel, FF is Faster than light Fuel


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**WhosRodrix**:	Should I send my ship there?


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**WhosRodrix**:	I better contact user to save some contracts for me


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**Ariq**:	Right, got that Bob.  Just not exactly sure how reactor usage factor's in


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**Bobemor**:	@Whosrodrix the ads are open to all I believe, though yes may be wise to contact the user directly. They're very active on discord i believe.


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**WhosRodrix**:	👍‍


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**Bobemor**:	@Ariq typical rule of thumb is minimum FTL and like 10% SF.


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**Ariq**:	reactor usage == FTL?


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**Ariq**:	while fuel usage (slider bar) is for (==) STL?


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**Bobemor**:	Yes sorry, you were right @ariq reactor usage = FTL/FF and Fuel usage = STL/SF


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**Ariq**:	:thumbsup:


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**Bobemor**:	(Shows how much I pay attention to what the flight command actually says now!)


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**Ariq**:	Thank you for the confirm Govnah!!!


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**DiggingLake**:	If anyone needs fuel in a pinch on KI-401d, ping me in Discord and let me know. I move FF fuel through there from Hermes, and keep a decently large stockpile of SF to make sure my ships don't get stranded out there.


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**Fairone**:	124 ghost plot on Deimos - lots of AL makers now :-)


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**Emperyan**:	Gonna cut into my margins, lol


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**WhosRodrix**:	Imagine HRT consumables and AP prices


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**WhosRodrix**:	There is certainly going to be more supply but I don't see the prices changing drastically from before the launch


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**Hessery**:	Good evening everyone


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**WhosRodrix**:	That was 4 AM for me


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**Bobemor**:	AL printer go brr


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**PiBoy314**:	I'm glad I dropped my Deimos base when I did


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**Namthorn**:	plots have actually freed up


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**Namthorn**:	we were at +90ish ghost plots, now 5 real plots free


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**Hessery**:	Hello im new so my plot may look like a ghost plot, but really im just incompetent


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**PiBoy314**:	@Namthorn still +83 ghost plots


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**Hessery**:	how do you see what plots are ghost or not


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**PiBoy314**:	It's just the + number on the PLI screen


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**PiBoy314**:	PLI ZV-759c


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**PiBoy314**:	It doesn't make a difference in terms of playing, it just means that someone can't settle a new base here because it's full (unless it's their first base)


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**Hessery**:	ahhh


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**Hessery**:	cool thanks


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**Bobemor**:	oof, this cogc upkeep is spenny


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**Bobemor**:	If anyone does Art Gallery supplies btw do reach out and let me know prices. CX isn't seeming very viable for them.


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**aceBaron**:	ok, I added MHP stock to CX and reduced price from 3 to 2k


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**Nirces**:	Look at Prom, 6400 MCG


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**DiggingLake**:	Welcome to Deimos! There is a community discord server to ask questions and coordinate: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


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**Hessery**:	I cant make an ad on the LM. How do i raise my rating?


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**PiBoy314**:	The LM is a feature for PRO users only. So you'd have to buy PRO at least once. Even if you stopped subscribing, you'd drop back to BASIC, where you could still accept ads on the LM.


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**Nirces**:	Shipping Ads reposted now at double value


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**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone sellinmg DW?


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**Nirces**:	No one interested in the Shipments to Hephaestus, just 1 jump away?


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**DiggingLake**:	Welcome to Deimos! There is a community discord server to ask questions and coordinate: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


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**_InFinite_**:	hello


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**_InFinite_**:	i am very confused


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**_InFinite_**:	i do not know what i am doing


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**_InFinite_**:	hulp


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**Erix_123**:	@_InFinite Take your time and try to check out the handbook. You should be able a link under the Help tab. You should be able to find out what to do, depending on your starter pack.


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**Erix_123**:	If you started on Deimos, I'm guessing Metallurgist, in which case starting to smelt aluminum is your best bet


[02-May-22 12:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Erix_123**:	Either way, it's a slow game so take your time and read up through the handbook to get your bearings. If you feel like you made too many mistakes before figuring stuff out, it's pretty easy to restart and you won't lose out on too much but I would recommend that you at least have a good game plan beforehand so you don't make the same mistakes


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**WhosRodrix**:	Posted 2 ads on LM ZV-759c (Deimos) Shipping to ANT, if you are going to ANTares CX, might be a good chance to earn a little bit of $ along the way.


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**WhosRodrix**:	For free.


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**Caydel**:	^^ That's a good opportunity for a new player with underutilized ships. The amount offered is enough to cover 60% of your fuel to ANT and back


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**Red_Phoenix**:	anyone able to sell some AL?


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**Nirces**:	I could sell some ALO


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**DerpyTurtle**:	anyone want something shipped from antares station to deimos? I got some free space. around 440m and 430t free.


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**WhosRodrix**:	@DerpyTurtle left yet? (⓿_⓿)


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**WhosRodrix**:	@Red_Pheonix I got 205 on Deimos, how much you need and at what price per unit?


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**Triqueon**:	Does anyone with PRO need anything shipped back from the CX? Post on the LM if so, will leave the CX at approx 19:00 CEST tonight (3,5 hrs from now)


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**alucard998**:	@triqueon LMA ANT/1893


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**WhosRodrix**:	If anyone on Deimos needs ~175 ALO lemme know


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**WhosRodrix**:	or anyone nearby


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**WhosRodrix**:	Posted 164 ALO for 11,999 AIC  [LMA ZV-759c/21772]


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**Macrixen**:	What is with these less than an AIC trades in local?


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**Bobemor**:	They're often internal corporate trades.


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**Bobemor**:	Or just pre-agreed trades, so they'll have a specific target in mind.


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**Bobemor**:	So, I've been worried about bumping up Pioneer numbers to much by just constantly running festivities so gave it a rest this week. Downside is that we didn't see a change in engineers, upside is we didn't have an explosion of pios (which will mess up safety and health).


[04-May-22 04:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Need to try and push up culture supply, but proving difficult with availabile resources on CX. Also the expense is a big issue. With the ballooning cost of the COGC upkeep (with very little tax increase) may need to re-evaluate engineer popi inputs longer term. Though do expect COGC costs to go down and taxes to go up slowly.


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**WhosRodrix**:	👍‍


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**Nirces**:	I will supply FOD for 150 p/u


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**Nirces**:	FOD is cheaper than PFE in Hortus


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**Nirces**:	I do think some of us Governors should work together on the niche stuff


[04-May-22 07:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Is there a need for DEC still? In a week or so I should have a setup to produce at least some of those if you don't have any suppliers (non-specialized base, so not too much capacity, but 3-4 per week I should be able to do


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**Nirces**:	DEC is insanely expensive


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**Nirces**:	coming out at near 3x the cost of the other upkeeps


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**WhosRodrix**:	[LMA ZV-759c/21841] Shipping 9t for 350 AIC


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**WhosRodrix**:	ANT -> Deimos


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**Bobemor**:	(What Nirces says about DEC, it is crazily more expensive than the other options)


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**Triqueon**:	Ah. I was under the impression that the Infrastructure upkeep worked the same as CoGC upkeep: if we don't have all of it, we get no bonus


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**Triqueon**:	Hello, this is your notice that, like yesterday, I will be accepting LM ads for ferrying stuff back from the CX for delivery tomorrow until 19h CEST


[05-May-22 09:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	(or my ship is full, whichever comes first, currently 480/480 free)


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**alucard998**:	LMA ANT/1911


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**Bobemor**:	@Triqueon luckily not!


[05-May-22 02:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	POPI upkeep counts for however much is given as % of total output. This is one of the reasons why upgrading (building multiple levels) of a building is often economical, because it means you can just rely on the cheaper inputs to provide the same total amount.


[05-May-22 02:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	1 fully upkeeped SST is a lot more expensive to maintain than 3 dw only upkeep SST, but provide the same benefit.


[05-May-22 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	(I don't think its very good design, but it is the current situation)


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**Bobemor**:	Having looked again at the numbers I think Engineer Immigration will be more impactful for our situation than Festivites III. Slightly cheaper, will provide 50 engineers rather than 10-15, won't boost pioneers and settlers hugely. Only downside is it won't boost Techs, but they should be above 50% next POPR anyway.


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**Bobemor**:	Will holdfire a bit to fully consider it.


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**_InFinite_**:	uh


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**_InFinite_**:	sure...


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**Higrs**:	I bring regards to the governor, nice to be here


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**_InFinite_**:	^


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**Nirces**:	anyone selling LHP?


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**melon164**:	I was making them and taking them to the CX, there was a big bid up


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**Nirces**:	and now I need140 of them


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**Nirces**:	time to start making them I think


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**Nirces**:	I could drop an extractor, And run one with tec just fine :)


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**Bobemor**:	Welcome new Deimos citizens :)


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**DiggingLake**:	Welcome to Deimos! There is a community discord server to ask questions and coordinate: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


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**DerpyTurtle**:	I have a shipment of stuff from Antares station to Deimos thats heading out in... 2ish hours. I have around 440m and 400t free,


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**DerpyTurtle**:	if anyone needs anything shipped from antares station to deimos I can ship it for you


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**WhosRodrix**:	PMs @DerpyTurtle


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**DerpyTurtle**:	With the shipments accepted I have around 300ish m and 280ish t left. Ill be heading out in 1 hour


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**WhosRodrix**:	I've got a shipload for Deimos to ANT, let me know if you wanna pick it up


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**_InFinite_**:	wait


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**_InFinite_**:	how can you do shipment tuff?


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**_InFinite_**:	how do you like, give someone else the stuff


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**DerpyTurtle**:	@_InFinite_ you can set up contracts for shipments in the local market, basically you can accept shipments, and if you have a ship there you can accept the 'crate' of goods, once you get to where ever the shipment is going, you can 'deliver' it and the person gets whatever was in the crate.


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**DerpyTurtle**:	I messed up my workforce consumption and accidentally built a building, now all my workers are super hungery.


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**DerpyTurtle**:	I posted a ad buying 25 RAT for 70AIC each


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**Nirces**:	Generous ads up for 6 bde and 6 bbh could do with filling fast pleasw


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**Bobemor**:	POPR makes interesting reading (Deimos' often does as a lesson on how to have reasonably high skilled workforces on a budget) Engineer demand continues to increase, comfort starting to increase and therefore impact Eng Happiness. Ultimately though we need to boost Comfort and Culture both further if we want Engineers to pick up the pace a bit more. To do this i'm hoping to expand the PAR to make better use of plentifully supplied SOI. I'm also increasingly wondering if a UNI for the passive boost may be worthwhile.


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**WhosRodrix**:	👍‍


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**WhosRodrix**:	I agree :)


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**HarmonyStrips**:	we already have sci demend, so a UNI would be nice


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**DiggingLake**:	A UNI may be a nice to have, but it should be a public-private project like the shipyard was.


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**Nirces**:	No-one wants the Carbon I put on the LM?


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**DerpyTurtle**:	Hello! I am doing a similar shipment like I did 2 days ago, Deimos to Antares Station! I have 299ish m free and 310ish t free. I should be heading out in 3ish hours. I think around 10ish hours after that ill do a ANT to Deimos shipment aswell, not sure what space ill have free on that one.


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**Nirces**:	Selling AL?


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**Triqueon**:	For those of us still learning: how does the uni give a passive bonus? Is that an effect unique to the uni, or do all infrastructure things give a passive bonus regardless of upkeep? And is there a resource where I can find this information without asking stupid questions?


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**Namthorn**:	uni gives education when stocked, we don't have any education if you look at the most recent popr, and higher tiers of pop place a larger emphasis on education for happiness


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**Namthorn**:	for a bit of reading


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**Namthorn**:	additionally, education provides passive pop promotion


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**Emperyan**:	Anybody got BHP for sale?


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**Yang_Mills**:	Emperyan, 20 BHP ready in 40 min.


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**Emperyan**:	Perfect, thanks!


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**DiggingLake**:	Both the UNI and the (Library?) give a passive bonus to the chance of a pop educating to a higher tier, even when no upkeep is provided (0.02 and 0.01, I think, but I’m not 100% on those numbers).


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**DiggingLake**:	In answer to your other question, there are a couple of places (such as the PCT discord), but when it comes to POPI just ask: most players don’t really understand it or need to understand it anyway, so questions about it aren’t stupid questions. It’s a complex part of this game that the devs have intentionally hidden the numbers for and the player base has managed to extrapolate the values out across a long period of time.


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**DerpyTurtle**:	In about 9ish hours ima head from ANT to Deimos, I have around 460 m and t free. Ill accept them when I wake up, which will be in like 9ish hours.


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**WhosRodrix**:	DMs


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**Command-der**:	hey


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**Command-der**:	some one here ?


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**Namthorn**:	yea


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**Command-der**:	do you want something ?


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**Command-der**:	like H2O or DW ?


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**Command-der**:	i am new and i don't understand this game


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**Command-der**:	and I produse some BEA... if you want*


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**WhosRodrix**:	Deimos is poor choice for farming, if you'd like to stay near Deimos and in Antares, I'd highly recommend settling on a Planet called Harmonia, you will make significantly more money. You can reset your progress and company by pressing the NEW BFR button at the bottom left and typing COLIQ and hitting enter. Click on the agreement and then scroll down to liquidate your company.


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**WhosRodrix**:	@Command-der


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**Namthorn**:	^ the soil here is pretty rubbish, too full of ALO


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**Bobemor**:	i actually think we grow crops, we just then mash them up to extract ALO


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**Mumzhar**:	also, as a new player most of your trades will done on commodity exchange stations (CX). The closest one being Antares Station (ANT)


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**Macrixen**:	number of bases dropped a bit in the last week


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**Damaged1422**:	this game is crazy lol


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**DiggingLake**:	Welcome to Deimos! There is a community discord server to ask questions and coordinate: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


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**Bobemor**:	Thanks to FIOC (and a few others) who have kindly donated the parts needed for a 2nd PAR


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**Triqueon**:	Anyone have shipping needs CX->Deimos? Leaving in 3 hrs, 298m3/310t free


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**Nirces**:	Anyone have AL for sale?


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**Nirces**:	posted a 290tn shipment


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**Nirces**:	nvm, that was Deimos to CX


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**allocater**:	we are all trying to get AL xD


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**Command-der**:	looking for  40 MCG and 12 BSE plz


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**Kerpuffle**:	apologies for all the buys on the LM - should be cleared soon


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**Caydel**:	Would anyone mind posting some water for sale? I find myself short somewhat unexpectedly


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**Caydel**:	100-200 will be more than sufficient


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**Emperyan**:	H20 or DW?


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**Caydel**:	h20


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**Emperyan**:	22/unit  good?


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**Emperyan**:	Add posted


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**Caydel**:	lol, sorry - stepped away and looks like someone else grabbed it


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**Emperyan**:	Yeah, sorry. That's why it's always better post a buy order.


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**Emperyan**:	Can't fulfill anymore at this time...


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**Caydel**:	Yeah, no worries. I only have Basic, so buy orders aren't an option right now


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**Bobemor**:	POPR largely as expected. If we can get culture up then Engineers will be happy as. Pio, set, and techs all in a very good place. Scientists though we'll they'll have to wait till after Engineers get into a better place (anyone wanting large amounts of Scientists on Deimos is crazy enough to wait a little)


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**Bobemor**:	I will start looking at building a UNI though, with the hope that that can reduce our POPI demand long term somewhat by providing a bit of Education boost to offset any happiness dips.


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**Slomes**:	Im closing down my ALO unearthing operations, rest posts are up on LM!


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**Bobemor**:	Bye slomes 👋


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**WhosRodrix**:	Hello!


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**DiggingLake**:	Welcome to Deimos! There is a community discord server to ask questions and coordinate: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


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**WhosRodrix**:	Low weight/mass shipping contracts posted for ANT -> Deimos. Will easily pay off fuel for a round trip.


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**WhosRodrix**:	3 contracts total, would want to have them accepted and delivered at the same time, ideally.


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**Nirces**:	looking for ALO on LM


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**DiggingLake**:	I've put up some sell ads. Sorry about the price differential, but I'm having difficulty maintaining any sort of stockpile given the demand.


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**Nirces**:	Slomes has removed his base, I need 240 ALO Every day... may need to redesign


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**jelutz77**:	possibly...


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**jelutz77**:	vertical design is superior


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**Nirces**:	All Smelters is Vertical, I could just ship it in


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**Nirces**:	Going to drop a base on WR-681b for my copper needs, that should free up some smelter cycles


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**WhosRodrix**:	Posted 90t shipping contract on Deimos LM for ANT -> Deimos


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**Bobemor**:	Thanks guys :)


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**Macrixen**:	Dumb question, but what do you mean by “vertical design”


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**WhosRodrix**:	When you have many different types of buildings doing different things, horizontal is the other way around, lots of just 1 or 2 types of buildings


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**Namthorn**:	vertical is more - building a feeds building b feeds building c factorio style


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**Namthorn**:	horizontal is multiple buildings that do different things, usually in the same industry though to make use of experts


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**WhosRodrix**:	Isn't horizontal: having a bunch of EXTs or a bunch of BMPs and etc?


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**Namthorn**:	that would be one way to do it, another would be say, SMEs + GFs + FS's  ,


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**Namthorn**:	not necessarily linked production is the point


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**WhosRodrix**:	oh alr


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**PiBoy314**:	Does anyone have 2 SSC to spare? They're the last parts I need for my ship. Ad is up at a high price


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**Nirces**:	Is anyone running a GF? I am after 600 TUB


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**Mumzhar**:	SSC within 1 day


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**Mumzhar**:	I'm running 3 GF. I can do 400 TUB within 2 days


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**PiBoy314**:	@Mumzhar do you have an exact ETA for the SSC?


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**Mumzhar**:	@PiBoy314 in 3h59


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**Bobemor**:	With the new SCI demand and continuing Engineer demand will go with a Education III programme.


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**Zarik**:	Hi I just started up a base but am hoping someone can help kickstart my buildings. Two ads on the LM for 36 ALO and 20 AL at a good price I think.


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**kapusta**:	Hi all, I have 200BSE for sale on Deimos Price is 500AIC/u 20 unit max per person And i will accept buy ads only from players less than 60 days in game As well by buying BSE you can enter a contest for best haiku about Molp (hope you don't mind) and win 200k AIC Please send me PM with haiku and post it on Deimos chat or Discord


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**kapusta**:	long term payment are ok


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**DiggingLake**:	Welcome to Deimos! There is a community discord server to ask questions and coordinate: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


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**Nirces**:	2 shipping contracts up, 6k total for fast shipment to Phobos


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[28-May-22 05:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**BarelyColdPhoenix**:	Hello does anyone have shipping contracts to put on the market ? I'm just starting here so any help is welcomed !


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**Juselius**:	@BarelyColdPhoenix I sent you a pm.


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**Nirces**:	sure


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**Bobemor**:	Welcome all new people :)


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**alucard998**:	WTB O on LM, 100/u


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**Triqueon**:	@alucard998: ad is up


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**4LpHaOnE**:	wtb 10 BBH & 10 BDE


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**Triqueon**:	Theres a BBH ad up on the LM


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**4LpHaOnE**:	2k each is a bit much


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**Triqueon**:	Price on the CX is 2,2k


[30-May-22 06:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	If you find any for cheaper than that, more power to you. I doubt you will though.


[30-May-22 06:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Base materials are >1k each, plus 6h consumables time, which comes in at a couple 100 credits. You could import them en masse from one of the other CX, where they're cheaper because of better base material availability, but that isnt worth it below maybe 30 or so bc of fuel costs.


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**Triqueon**:	Eh, the "couple 100 AIC" for consumables is a bit high probably. Nevertheless, just the materials cost me 1100, and selling them any lower than 2k per for 10 is a loss when shipping them to the CX where I can reliably get 2.1k or more costs me at most 2.5k in fuel, less if I use a shipping contract or have other stuff going to the CX


[30-May-22 08:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**4LpHaOnE**:	when i try to buy on the market the API tells me my company rating is insufficant what does that mean?


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**4LpHaOnE**:	and where i can see my own placements on the market?


[30-May-22 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Ah. Should have checked your profile. Local Market requires a Pro license.


[30-May-22 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**WhosRodrix**:	LMOS for seeing your Own orders


[30-May-22 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Or, to accept ads, a Basic license (which means you had Pro at some point in the past)


[30-May-22 08:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Since you still have a U rating, that means you only have a trial license and are limited to buying at the CX


[30-May-22 08:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**WhosRodrix**:	If you want to see more info on PRO vs Trial, check this link:https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/pro-license/

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**ConventiaUnderking**:	LMA ZV-759c/23871


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**4LpHaOnE**:	Is any1 willing to sell me 10 BBH + 10 BDE for 40 k (AIC)????


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**Namthorn**:	you need pro to trade on hte LM, otherwise you have to go to the CX to buy stuff


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**4LpHaOnE**:	Any Company need a AL->ALO producer, iam a fresh starter


[01-Jun-22 06:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Again, do you have a Pro license? If not, you'll have to go to CX to sell. You'll get a good price there, but you'll have to spend gas to fly the ship every time you go.


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**4LpHaOnE**:	ALO.AI1


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**4LpHaOnE**:	BSE.AI1


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**Nirces**:	Buy order on CX for SI at 850, nice and profitable over AL, if it runs out, message me and I will buy more


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**WhosRodrix**:	350T and 430 m^3 Available for ANT to Deimos


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**4LpHaOnE**:	can u trade in a corp with trial ??


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**WhosRodrix**:	No


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**WhosRodrix**:	You can only use the CX


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**NBJRS12**:	hey


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**WhosRodrix**:	Hello!


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**WhosRodrix**:	👋


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**DiggingLake**:	Welcome to Deimos! There is a community discord server to ask questions and coordinate: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


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**Bobemor**:	So without a UNI Edu3 really doesn't do much to Engineers and Scientists. Sounds like if we want Scientists we'll need a UNI...


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**thejeffcooper**:	anyone have 6xBTA they can spare immediately? I accidentally left them in another star system


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**thejeffcooper**:	LM ad posted


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**WhosRodrix**:	Paying good for 50 m^3 to be shipped from Antares CX to Deimos for delivery within 4 days.


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**CANNAN5**:	I got a mostly empty ship leaving in about 8 hours if you want to DM me Ive never done a contract yet.


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**Nirces**:	if your willing to go via Hephaestus or Phobos I will fill your ship


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**Nirces**:	I posted a few small ones from Deimos to ANT


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**CANNAN5**:	I need to refuel and turn my ships around but wil gladly take those contracts to get started in the game later today


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**CANNAN5**:	Ive been running with a low operating budget to focus on growth so I end up flipping mats in favor of saving fuel


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**CANNAN5**:	All contracts one, I think ill stick to just selling everyday on CX


[09-Jun-22 01:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Failmore**:	@CANNAN5 1 trip to and from CX costs ~2k AIC in fuel


[09-Jun-22 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Failmore**:	and you generally gain something along the lines of 750AIC/50pio daily


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**CANNAN5**:	Yah I only wanted to do it for ratings, ill just make a ore pick up for my first contract.


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**CANNAN5**:	Shipping seems to inconsistent to wait around for


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**Failmore**:	@CANNAN5 try to combine them + you can do contracts to other exchanges if it pays at least ~2-3k and trade along the way if you have free space


[09-Jun-22 02:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Failmore**:	especially if you pass through hortus, you can stock up on RAT/DW which is 30% cheaper there on the way back here


[09-Jun-22 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CANNAN5**:	If that is all it takes in fuel to get to Hortus I should go with my 2nd empty ship then, and maybe I can create my first contract to ship for someone to get my ratings


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**Failmore**:	@CANNAN5 whatever you do, get profit. that's about it.


[09-Jun-22 05:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Failmore**:	keep your slaves fed and clothed and constantly working with 1 ship, trade with the other if you can


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**Bobemor**:	Hmm, turns out i forgot to account for last rounds COGC inputs. Since that was silly of me, guess we'll consider that a donation to Deimos Treasury!


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**Nirces**:	Ad up for 2 LDE at 6k each if anyone has some


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**WhosRodrix**:	Ad up for 4 LDE @6,000 AIC each if anyone has some :)


[13-Jun-22 07:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Ok, fun. Just looked at the chart for LDE because of this. Benten has the same low amount of transactions on this as anywhere else (5 a week or so), except last week, where out of nowhere 2811 went in what seems to be a single trade


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**WhosRodrix**:	oml


[13-Jun-22 07:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	We call that 'nuking the market'


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**Triqueon**:	13.5M Credits in a single trade for a low volume good seems...excessive given the price moved by about 10% because of it. I mean, yeah, you could make that back with resale, but given the low volumes, even having a 20 member corp who are all building stuff you need LDE for it's going to take months to offload...


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**allocater**:	how were there even 3000 LDE sitting in Benton 😵


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**WhosRodrix**:	lol


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**Gilith**:	does anyone have 2 BTAs? ad posted


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**Gilith**:	ty


[13-Jun-22 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	one more BTA please? :) I have somehow miscalculated the number of HB1s needed in my new base


[13-Jun-22 11:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**CANNAN5**:	Ill be picking up shipping contracts over next few days, if someone buys you one ill ship it for 1 AIC from CX


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**WhosRodrix**:	15 BDE available if anyone wants it


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**alucard998**:	I'm buying ALO on LM, at 74/u. save yourself the shipping! I'm basic, so I can't post buys, but I can accept if you post an ad!


[13-Jun-22 03:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**WhosRodrix**:	Posted 140 ALO @74 AIC ea for a total of 10,360


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**Rwinner16**:	Anyone got spare shipping room from ANT CX? Will buy it all.


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**WhosRodrix**:	Can someone move 2 m^3 from Deimos to Nike for me for delivery in around 3 days?


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**Bobemor**:	Very good POPI today. Engineer happiness above 50% with no festival. This is a good sign. For the Scientists I'll run a program to generate a few then the best approach is probably to reach out to those who want the Scientists to see if they wish to support building a UNI or want to fund some more programs.


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**alucard998**:	scientists? here?


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**melon164**:	Someone clearly wants them


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**melon164**:	idk why though


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**alucard998**:	imo, they can finance the program then. engineers at least serve a metallurgical purpose. Scientists only do manufacturing, chem, and electronics, right?


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**alucard998**:	I guess san SPF maybe fits here, to avoid moving alloys, but I didn't look too deeply


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**melon164**:	afaik yes


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**allocater**:	there is a shipyard here, so it would fit


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**PiBoy314**:	AHI is looking for SCI here, so we'd be willing to fund a project or a UNI if it was necessary


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**WhosRodrix**:	I need 8 LDE and 8 LSE, I can pay a reasonable price, anyone got any on Deimos or Nike?


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**melon164**:	I can get you 6 LDE in 8hrs, 7k/u?


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**WhosRodrix**:	So I actually only need 4


[16-Jun-22 08:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**WhosRodrix**:	but I'm a bit short on monies right now, my stuff is on it's way to the CX. When It's sold I'll be able to pay


[16-Jun-22 08:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**WhosRodrix**:	Ship arrives in 1d and it's 2.4k DW so I'm not sure how long it will take for some money to come in but you can set a long timer on the contract or something


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**alucard998**:	if you bump up the SF even just a few units, you can make the trip to cx in 6-10 hours usually


[16-Jun-22 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**WhosRodrix**:	I'm familiar with Deimos Nike and Phobos shipping, but that's not where my ship is departing from


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**WhosRodrix**:	I make DW on Etherwind


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**WhosRodrix**:	And it's four jumps from Benten


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**melon164**:	I'm BASIC, so if you want to put up an ad for 4 LDE I'll take


[16-Jun-22 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**WhosRodrix**:	Alright, I'll post it


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**WhosRodrix**:	It's up


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**WhosRodrix**:	4 LDE for 26k


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**PiBoy314**:	ADE and ATA are secured for the UNI, as well as 2/4 of the LU. If anyone has some extra UPF time, I think we can finish off the other LU soon


[16-Jun-22 12:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	I have spare UPF time


[16-Jun-22 01:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Ok, throw up ads for the inputs at 1 AIC, McCowen can buy the LU back for the labor


[16-Jun-22 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**McCowen**:	Sorry I'm rarely on chat, but yeah, I have 2 LU, 2 BMF, 1 LOG ready for the UNI, working on the other 2 LU. Sounds like the A-fabs are being sorted.


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**PiBoy314**:	Kapusta just donated the BMF and LOG it looks like


[16-Jun-22 01:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**McCowen**:	:(


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**Emperyan**:	Anyone got any Flux for sale?


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**Triqueon**:	2 Ads on the LM


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**RNGzero**:	Yay, landed a 2nd base!


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**Churaviis**:	Congratulations!


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**DiggingLake**:	Welcome to Deimos! There is a community discord server to ask questions and coordinate: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


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**Nirces**:	anyone selling SFE/MFE/LFE>


[19-Jun-22 07:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	just LFE, others are on the CX


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**alucard998**:	I have CBL and CTF, but haven't built an ELP to make the LFE yet


[19-Jun-22 09:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	How many would you like? up to 20 @150000


[19-Jun-22 09:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	How much for the Mats for 4? I can spare some ELP cycles


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**Gilith**:	anyone selling rats? my ad is up, open to negotiations


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**WhosRodrix**:	Don't think we have any RAT-sellers near Deimos or Katoa in-corp


[20-Jun-22 07:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**WhosRodrix**:	I could bring you as much DW as you like on Katoa though


[20-Jun-22 07:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	I mean Deimos, and RATs, I have enough DW for now


[20-Jun-22 07:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**WhosRodrix**:	Then I think you might just have to use the CX


[20-Jun-22 07:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**WhosRodrix**:	unless you find someone outside of GTU selling it


[20-Jun-22 07:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	OK thanks


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**WhosRodrix**:	👍‍


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**WhosRodrix**:	Urgent 5 BSE posted @ 1200/u


[21-Jun-22 09:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**WhosRodrix**:	Thank you Atlas.


[21-Jun-22 09:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Got it


[21-Jun-22 09:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**WhosRodrix**:	Thanks :)


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**WhosRodrix**:	I didn't notice my COL was at 77%


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**capi3101**:	Paying 5000 AIC for anybody willing to haul a full load out from Antares Station to Deimos, priority. LMA ZV-759c/25792 if anyone's interested.


[22-Jun-22 09:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	FYI it's probably much easier to get someone to take 2 half loads


[22-Jun-22 09:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**WhosRodrix**:	^


[22-Jun-22 09:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**WhosRodrix**:	I'll take one of the half loads for you.


[22-Jun-22 09:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**WhosRodrix**:	IF you are willing to do that.


[22-Jun-22 11:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	If anyone is looking for shipping opportunities, I have a number of 15k AIC ads up on LM KI-401d heading to ANT.


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**Nirces**:	I am offering shipping from ZV-639d to ANT (just 1 jump, round trip is 12-24 hours depending on speed, 2-3k profit)


[23-Jun-22 10:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**CANNAN5**:	Im running light to ANT CX w 450 open m3/t if someone needs something shipped cheap Ill be leaving in an hour


[23-Jun-22 10:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Ad up, thanks


[23-Jun-22 10:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**capi3101**:	Paying 2500 to run 16.3 tonnes from Antares Station to Deimos. LMA ZV-759c/25887 if anyone's interested.


[23-Jun-22 10:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**CANNAN5**:	Both contracts excepted, will eb running express departing in about 15m


[23-Jun-22 10:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**CANNAN5**:	*accepted


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**Dover**:	Anyone got some spare O to offload?


[24-Jun-22 04:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Sure, I put some sell ads up.


[24-Jun-22 04:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	(You might be able to get someone to sell it for cheaper, though, if you put your own ad up.)


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**CANNAN5**:	Im refueling and in process of stockpiling so I can free up my 2nd ship for shipping contracts


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**Gilith**:	I've posted 3 tiny shipments to antares cx if anyone's flying in that direction


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**CANNAN5**:	Ill grab them tomorrow morning if they are still there, I do daily runs, some even call me a taxi driver :p


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**Cafat**:	I forgot to buy RAT, and my factories are slowing down. I would greatly appreciate if someone could help out and sell one of the LM ads I posted.


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**melon164**:	Short by 1 TRU, does anyone have one spare?


[25-Jun-22 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Put up an ad at above market prices and I'm sure someone will fill it


[25-Jun-22 11:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	I only have basic, so they'd need to sell it to me


[25-Jun-22 11:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	sorry, should have made that clear


[25-Jun-22 11:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	I can sell you one for CX price, plus the ad fee, so 270 + 53 = 323


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**OptimiserOlorin**:	Ah Deimos, it smells like.. metal


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**OptimiserOlorin**:	Glorious


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**Nirces**:	No-one interested in the 5k 1 jump shipment to Hephaestus?


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**Nirces**:	Anyone producing ship kits? LCB/MFL/MSL?


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**melon164**:	Alucard does, or used to


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[27-Jun-22 06:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I can officially confirm business is booming on Deimos. The latest tax return is the largest one Deimos have ever had under my governorship, beating last weeks as the previous record holder.


[27-Jun-22 06:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I will now be taking this opportunity to take some photos of me shaking hands with local business leaders and workers.


[27-Jun-22 06:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Hopefully the University of Deimos will also serve as a useful photo op


[27-Jun-22 06:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	Just Deimos Governors or all of us :P


[27-Jun-22 06:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Just Deimos governors. There will only be three cubicles in the whole campus. How do you think I've reached these crazy heights of tax revenue? Cutting toilet legislation has been a corner stone of each campaign.


[27-Jun-22 07:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I've heard a rumour that when opened each governor will be asked to open a toilet cubicle named in their honour.


[27-Jun-22 07:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Oh, do I get one?


[27-Jun-22 07:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	who needs toilets? the production cycle is: feed sh1t to plants -> feed plants to rats -> feed rats to pioneers -> ...


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**Rwinner16**:	Small ad up from ANT to Deimos if any1 can grab. I'd appreciate it!


[27-Jun-22 12:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	ooh, yes you do jelutz, forgot about your ~~misguided~~ enlightened reign


[27-Jun-22 12:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	(I'm going to have to rework these toilet legisilation to enable the UNI to build more than 3)


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**allocater**:	All ANT governorships are occupied by the OOG... All Ant? No! A planet populated by inflexible Deimosians does not stop resisting 🤣


[27-Jun-22 02:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Ads up for SF and FF if anyone has some to spare, thanks.


[27-Jun-22 05:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Some would say that all Antares is worthless without Deimos


[27-Jun-22 05:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	Nobody selling ALO these days?


[27-Jun-22 06:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	It's far more profitable to smelt it. I only have extra if I need FE or STL.


[27-Jun-22 06:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	The old large extractors are generally doing other stuff (Slomes left the planet, I’m a dedicated supplier). You can buy ALO, but you need to put buy orders up rather than picking up the sells: the main people selling ALO are newer players who need the faster turnaround that accepting an ad promises.


[27-Jun-22 06:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CANNAN5**:	I tried to sell ALO and when I went to fulf ill it took my ore and contract went away


[27-Jun-22 06:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CANNAN5**:	will i still get paid right?


[27-Jun-22 06:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Yeah, the contract disappears from the right hand side when you have no actions left in it: it only shows the pending ones.


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**CANNAN5**:	ok i found the CONT in buffer command ty


[27-Jun-22 06:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	You should still get paid.


[27-Jun-22 06:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CANNAN5**:	this games getting me reacting in chat before i think for myself sometimes


[27-Jun-22 07:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Advent**:	I'll be selling ALO soon, but as was mentioned above, I'm a newer player that benifits from the quicker turnaround to try and get early infrastructure up. I'm only able to produce about 42 units daily as of right now


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**capi3101**:	Looking to haul 229.2 tonnes from Deimos to Harmonia in system ZV-896. Three shipping ads up on the Deimos LM. Each pays 1500 if anybody's interested.


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**capi3101**:	(Just one jump, y'all).


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**Red_Phoenix**:	hey


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**Red_Phoenix**:	is anyone here able to supply LSE?


[30-Jun-22 09:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	I can make a few


[30-Jun-22 09:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	not many


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**Rwinner16**:	How many are you looking for?


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**Red_Phoenix**:	6


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**Gilith**:	do you still need them? I can supply 6


[30-Jun-22 01:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Rwinner16**:	Any1 making a Deimos -> Phobos run soon? Trying to get a CM kit over there if possible.


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**Dover**:	Who's selling ALO now that Slomes is gone?


[30-Jun-22 05:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Again, as I said before, its mostly new players: that is why you need to put ads up, since they need the quicker turnaround time and can't afford to sit around with large inventories like myself and Slomes could.


[30-Jun-22 05:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	Plenty of small ads up then for the new players.


[30-Jun-22 05:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	At half the cx price and less than half of the other ads up on the same LM?


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**Dover**:	Hmm, you're right. 65/u was the usual price I paid.


[30-Jun-22 06:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	i pay 80, theres current ads up for 83


[30-Jun-22 06:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CANNAN5**:	If this ALO demand is a permanent problem ill make a few more EXT I like being able to sell them at that price 80 seems good price to me


[30-Jun-22 06:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	What newbie is going to want to get paid in CIS?


[30-Jun-22 06:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CANNAN5**:	Me


[30-Jun-22 06:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CANNAN5**:	I run my 2nd ship to Benten its on the way their right now im like 35 days in or something on first company


[30-Jun-22 06:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Have you seen FX fees?


[30-Jun-22 06:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	If you want to trade cross-CX, that is why you'll want CIS.


[30-Jun-22 06:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CANNAN5**:	They change today I got CIS it was 1:! but I got filled at 1.1


[30-Jun-22 06:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CANNAN5**:	exactly i keep all foreign currency so if I have to I will buy an intermediate so I keep all fx


[30-Jun-22 06:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CANNAN5**:	if AIC to ICA is 2 to 1. Ill FX to CIS usually and than ICA to AIC


[30-Jun-22 06:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CANNAN5**:	ICA I mean


[30-Jun-22 06:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CANNAN5**:	That way if someone clears out the FX im not stuck


[30-Jun-22 06:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Rwinner16**:	2 FF ads on LM at 15/u


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**Dover**:	I will happily pay in CIS.


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**Red_Phoenix**:	@Gilith I'll take em


[01-Jul-22 09:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Red_Phoenix**:	whatever ur price


[01-Jul-22 09:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	@Red_Phoenix check priv


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**Dover**:	I have 600 NR.AI1 available if anyone needs it


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**Nirces**:	anyone interested in the 2 loads to Hep (1 jump) on the LM?


[04-Jul-22 12:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MarkNstein**:	I would be, but my ship's far-out, returning in 2 days


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**Bobemor**:	Another bumper tax revenue setting records once again! Are these the signs of a Deimosi golden age?


[04-Jul-22 04:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Clearly the recent reforms to toilet building requirements to allow up to 4 toilets per large public building has triggered a wave of success.


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**Dover**:	@Churaviis I can sell you AUO over at QJ-650c. Just a few hops if you can come get it.


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**Emperyan**:	Anyone got any flux to spare? Accidentally gave my guys a holiday, lol


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**MarkNstein**:	flux fulfilled


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**Emperyan**:	Many thanks


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**WhosRodrix**:	If anyone needs 25 BSE on-site post up a buy at a reasonable price per unit.


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**Emperyan**:	Ad up for the whole shot at $1100/u


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**FlammaVarga**:	WTB  12 ALO @1080 @LM


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**melon164**:	@FlammaVarga LMA ZV-759c/27212


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**Nirces**:	Ad up for some MCG at 30p/u


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**alucard998**:	wtb 3-40 MFK on LM, will pay 300/u, please post an ad


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**CANNAN5**:	Ad posted for 32 MFK @300 @alucard998


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**alucard998**:	thanks!


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**CANNAN5**:	TY! 300 is excellent price.


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**Insensless**:	Hello Deimos, I am running as a candidate for governor this election cycle. If elected, you can expect taxes to remain the same, constant programs, and Deimos will receive increased amounts of planetary infrastructure upkeep supported by the OOG corporation. As a corporation, we work hard to keep Antares planets stable and primed for future growth from all players within the system. Feel free to check the POPR of any OOG governed planet as evidence of this. As a player, I started on Deimos, and am heavily invested in its future. I look forward to your vote and your support. This should be a fun election cycle either way it goes!


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**Bobemor**:	Hi Deimos, I am running for another term on governor. Things have been going very well for deimos recently and I'd like to continue to see that through. The university is near completion and that will vastly improve the ability for Deimos to support higher tech populations. But the way we've achieved this is something that is vastly different to many other planets, and this is what my governorship should be judged against.


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**Bobemor**:	It has not been bought by the governor at the expense of tha taxpayer, nor has it been gifted by one rich individual or solo corp. It has been developed steadily as a partnership of multiple corps and the governorship. Parts have been procured in a cost effective manner which has meant that Deimos treasury remains in a healthy position.


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**Bobemor**:	This is an attitude that has extended from the Shipyard to general POPI, and it is an attitude that have saved Deimos citizens a lot of money whilst still producing the POPR that benefit everyone.


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**Bobemor**:	Vote for me if you want to see Deimos funds continued to be leveraged effectively and efficently. Vote for me if you want to continue to see multiple parties (hopefully including OOG) working together on planetary issues. Vote for me if you want an independent Deimos.


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**Insensless**:	Bobemor offers an independent Deimos that is funded by your revenue and managed by him. I offer you a Deimos that is funded by your tax revenue along with our corporate revenue and is backed up with all of our existing supply chains, ensuring current POPI and any future expansion needed. Allow me, and OOG to do the heavy lifting that is in Deimos’ best interest as a whole. A vote for me ensures the resources needed for quick and stable growth, along with the experience of governing not only 1 planet, but many planets over a large portion of our beloved Antares system.


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**Bobemor**:	There was a good discussion in response to Insensless' comment on the UFO discord for those who might be interested in some of the deeper POPR discussions, it is a murky topic that the game is too great at making clear, so I would welcome any questions from both newer and older players if you have any :)


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**DiggingLake**:	Welcome to Deimos! There is a community discord server to ask questions and coordinate: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


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**IsaacDragonHeart**:	Hello


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**IsaacDragonHeart**:	Idk if I have enough intelligence to understand this game lol


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**Churaviis**:	You'll get it. You can always start over if you need to


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**RiseofFilth**:	Anyone need steel for anything?


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**Rannepear**:	deez


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**Rwinner16**:	price?


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**RiseofFilth**:	1100?


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**Bobemor**:	The University of Deimos is officially opened, the ribbon cutting was a lovely ceremony. The main building is the Martian Astrophysics Labaratory which will be training our next shipbuilding scientists through a collaboration with the University of Phobos' own institution.


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**Bobemor**:	You'll be glad to know that there are 4 toilet cisterns named after each governor and rumour has it that one particularly backed-up citizens has already christened each of them individually.


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**Emperyan**:	STL is selling for 1000/unit on the CX


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**jelutz77**:	So long as it's a toilet named after Bobemor and not the University :P


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**DiggingLake**:	There is a toilet named after you too ;)


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**jelutz77**:	*clapping*


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**Bobemor**:	I took a delightful comfort break during my tour on yours jelutz :)


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**jelutz77**:	I'm sure you did


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**Rannepear**:	*golf clap*


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**Rannepear**:	Time to go visit the bathrooms and write some phone numbers on the wall.


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**Advent**:	ALO ads up. All delivery dates set @ 15 days, but my current production is easily above 100u+/day so expect them filled faster. These ads are going to help some expansion to increase Advent Metal's output to help keep you all supplied and expand into other production chains


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**Insensless**:	Congratulations on a hard fought cycle and your 7th term as governor bobemor, I concede this election.


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**MarkNstein**:	Got a ship at ANT with 324t / 423m spare. leaving in 24 hrs.


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**Bobemor**:	Thanks for the competition Insensless, and thanks to the citizens for Deimos for another term :)


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**Rannepear**:	*cheers


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**Latedge1**:	hello?


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**Gilith**:	hi


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**Latedge1**:	what do we do


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**Latedge1**:	im confussledddd


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**AlphaAxis64501**:	e


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**Latedge1**:	a


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**Gilith**:	well, what's your starting package? metallurgy probably, right?


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**Gilith**:	build extractor, smelter, pioneer habitat and start extracting aluminium ore


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**AlphaAxis64501**:	how can i start as carbon farmer?


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**AlphaAxis64501**:	im struggling a bit


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**Gilith**:	you'll need incinerator, 2 farmsteads, and 2 pioneer habitats


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**AlphaAxis64501**:	alright, ive only got one pioneer habitat rn


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**Gilith**:	check the recipes in the incinerator, there are several variants, and start making coal


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**AlphaAxis64501**:	i dont own an incinerator yet


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**Gilith**:	one habitat has space for 100 pioneers, each farm uses 50, incinerator- 40


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**AlphaAxis64501**:	i see


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**Gilith**:	if you've chosen carbon farmer package, you should have enough components for the incinerator


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**Latedge1**:	btw how i see more hint


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**Gilith**:	have you seen the tutorial vids? type TRA in new buffer


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**Chezzzy**:	Hellos!


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**Chezzzy**:	Newbie here, any tips vets?


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**Chezzzy**:	And some genuine review for the game please?


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**Nirces**:	Focus on metalwork buildings on this planet - remember you can sell your fuel for extra starter cash- just be careful to leave enouugh for a couple of trips


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**RiseofFilth**:	Watch videos, chat with folks, look up recipes, look up info on efficiency


[20-Jul-22 09:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Chezzzy**:	Rgr


[20-Jul-22 09:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	learn what a COGC is


[20-Jul-22 09:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nirces**:	faster you get an extra building or 2 the faster you grow, it takes a few weeks to truely get going


[20-Jul-22 09:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Tell your friends and family you love them


[20-Jul-22 09:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Save from every paycheck


[20-Jul-22 09:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Try to have one day free of devices a week


[20-Jul-22 09:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Eat at home whenever possible


[20-Jul-22 09:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Some things are less profitable on Deimos than they used to be. RAT/DW are not really worth making here; the AL business is good here, especially AL products.


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**thejeffcooper**:	anyone in the market for a lot of ALO? I've got about ~1k I'm looking to get rid of


[20-Jul-22 05:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	PM me if so


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**AbstractArtist4081**:	Hi, I am a newbie to the game, just started around 4:40 am


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**Hildron**:	Welcome


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**Churaviis**:	Welcome!


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**capi3101**:	Greetings, Deimos. Looking for a shipper to bring in two inbound loads from Antares Station. 3.6 tonnes / 2.85 cubic meters total in two ads, paying 2500 AIC a pop.


[21-Jul-22 02:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	That’s an extremely generous reward for such small cargo


[21-Jul-22 02:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	ive normally done 6 AIC per volume/weight and it’s always picked up and delivered within 2 days


[21-Jul-22 02:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**capi3101**:	Got a large number of folks relying on the distribution of the consignment in a short time frame, hence the premium rate.


[21-Jul-22 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	You probably shouldn't have put it at 5d then!


[21-Jul-22 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	I'll get it there tomorrow


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[21-Jul-22 10:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	Hi


[21-Jul-22 10:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	I am new to the game


[21-Jul-22 10:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Welcome


[21-Jul-22 10:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	Thank you


[21-Jul-22 10:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	Still learning the game and UI


[21-Jul-22 10:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	For sure


[21-Jul-22 10:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Takes abit but honestly one of best designed UIs ever


[21-Jul-22 10:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	I like the game so far


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**Latedge1**:	btw what do we when we made things


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[22-Jul-22 03:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	Put them on a ship, fly them to the CX and sell them


[22-Jul-22 03:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	or if you have a PRO license, you can list them on the local market


[22-Jul-22 06:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Just what a real company would do, basically. Use that to make something else or take it to market


[22-Jul-22 06:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Then make more


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**afkplshold**:	I keep getting refunded any time i try to buy on market..? even though im buying at asking price


[22-Jul-22 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Do you have the cash for your trade? Are you hitting the buy button? Do you have space for the items?


[22-Jul-22 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**afkplshold**:	yes, yes, and yes. as soon as i click buy, the contract status changes to closed. however, if I open it up, the status in the index says it's still pending. and if i look at finances, simultaneously i have a deposit, actual price, and then a refund appear.


[22-Jul-22 08:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**afkplshold**:	resource is also available at the cx i am buying from


[22-Jul-22 08:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Are you talking about XC or Local Market?


[22-Jul-22 08:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	CX


[22-Jul-22 08:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**afkplshold**:	cx


[22-Jul-22 08:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**afkplshold**:	i can't use local market. on a free account rn


[22-Jul-22 08:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Because I'm not aware of a closed status for CX


[22-Jul-22 08:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Or is it because you don't have space at CX to recieve it?


[22-Jul-22 08:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Ah, yes, in finance it would show all three, deposit, price, and refund, equalling out to the price only.


[22-Jul-22 08:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**afkplshold**:	oh my god wait


[22-Jul-22 08:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	You can collect on a ship by landing it at CX then collecting on the contract, or maintain a warehouse at the CX, which costs money.


[22-Jul-22 08:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**afkplshold**:	LMAO so simple now that you've said it out loud


[22-Jul-22 08:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**afkplshold**:	just sent a ship to cx. might have just spent lots of money accidentally lmao


[22-Jul-22 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	You can always relist it near what you bought it, or if you have enough cash, keep the extra supply until you use it.


[22-Jul-22 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**afkplshold**:	i'll probably just keep it. will be good long term. thanks


[22-Jul-22 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	yw


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**DiggingLake**:	If anyone is looking for shipping opportunities, I've got some 20k ads up on KI-401d to ANT.


[22-Jul-22 03:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	Hi, I am new to the game.


[22-Jul-22 03:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Welcome @AbstractArtist4081


[22-Jul-22 04:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	Would pro be costly a month. Really thinking about getting it. I am loving what I am seeing so far


[22-Jul-22 04:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	no need to bother rn, figure out if you want to get it as you learn the game


[22-Jul-22 04:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Namthorn**:	and things being costly is really up to the individual to decide


[22-Jul-22 05:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jackinabox**:	I don’t know. I bought pro day one and found it worth the $8 a month. The shipping contracts keep one busy and the cross exchange comparisons are very helpful.  If I like a game, I support it so it sticks around!


[22-Jul-22 05:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	I am like that too


[22-Jul-22 05:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	What is the chat actually use for? It says the planet I am on global site owners


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**RNGzero**:	@AbstractArtist4081, chat specific for players with bases on the planet. Usually player buying/selling stuff locally use this or to coordinate with others locally


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**AbstractArtist4081**:	How do I sell locally? Do I use the space station?


[22-Jul-22 07:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	If you have pro then you can sell on the LM or Local Market, which can be found listed under the planet's infrastructure projects


[22-Jul-22 07:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Cymatic_Flux**:	Without PRO, you have to use the CX (Space Station). If you get PRO for a single month, you will be able to place and accept ads on the Local Market (LM). After that it drops to BASIC and you will always be able to accept ads, including shipping ads, on the LM. With basic, you just can't place ads.


[22-Jul-22 07:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CANNAN5**:	cant FX either which makes shipping difficult if you move full loads


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**AbstractArtist4081**:	I am starting to like game, but I need to wait until I get everything I planned on my base.


[22-Jul-22 08:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	that will never really happen


[22-Jul-22 08:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	there's always more to build, or another planet to colonize


[22-Jul-22 08:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	What do you mean colonize another planet? I thought that wasn't possible and as trial and basic you can't have more than one base.


[22-Jul-22 08:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	you can


[22-Jul-22 08:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	up to 5 I think


[22-Jul-22 08:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	you're limited my the max HQ level, which is 5 for non-pro


[22-Jul-22 08:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Cymatic_Flux**:	Level 5 HQ gives 6 base permits. Level 1 HQ, which you start with, gives 2 base permits.


[22-Jul-22 08:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**nE_GammaGam3s**:	how would one lvl up their hq


[22-Jul-22 08:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	Should I use 2 base permits for my first base?


[22-Jul-22 08:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Cymatic_Flux**:	If you open a new buffer, use code HQ. That will open your HQ screen. There will be a list of materials that you need to provide to level it up.


[22-Jul-22 08:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Cymatic_Flux**:	This link here, shows all materials for HQ upgrades for each level. https://pct.fnar.net/hq/

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Community derived data & formulas from the game Prosperous Universe


[22-Jul-22 08:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**nE_GammaGam3s**:	cheers


[22-Jul-22 08:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	maybe, depends on what you want to do. decide when you're close to the area limit


[22-Jul-22 08:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	How do I undo the permit I put into the base?


[22-Jul-22 08:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	BS buffer


[22-Jul-22 08:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	It won't allow me to remove the permit. It has 1/3 permits at 25/750 area


[22-Jul-22 08:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Cymatic_Flux**:	You need that 1 permit for your current base.


[22-Jul-22 08:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Cymatic_Flux**:	Should be 500 area? 2/3 would allow 750 area. If at 1/3 maybe refresh the console so that it updates.


[22-Jul-22 08:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	How do i rebring up the system map?


[22-Jul-22 08:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Cymatic_Flux**:	In a new buffer the code is MU NAV


[22-Jul-22 08:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Cymatic_Flux**:	Or do you want the Deimos System Map? MS ZV-759


[22-Jul-22 08:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	Deimos System Map


[22-Jul-22 08:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Cymatic_Flux**:	The Code MS ZV-759 will bring it up.


[22-Jul-22 08:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**nE_GammaGam3s**:	just curious if i don't feed my base with rations and such will they die?


[22-Jul-22 08:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Cymatic_Flux**:	My understanding is they don't die, they lose productivity and happiness. If you supply them with nothing, they are 0% happy and stop work altogether.


[22-Jul-22 08:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**nE_GammaGam3s**:	gotcha


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[22-Jul-22 09:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Personally, I like to imagine they are not starving so much as speding more time scavenging or growing bathtub mushrooms or whatever they can to get their basic needs met on their own, taking away time from working for you


[23-Jul-22 12:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	Is ALO a good money maker for new players?


[23-Jul-22 12:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	It's quick to set up and a good way to start before you get a good source of C or flux


[23-Jul-22 01:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	How do I get C or Flux?


[23-Jul-22 01:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	Most players transport in C or FLX, but you could manufacture them here if you wanted to


[23-Jul-22 01:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	My starter package was manufacture


[23-Jul-22 01:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	How would I manufacture them?


[23-Jul-22 01:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	C is just made with incinerators and farms... while FLX is made with LST in a chemical plant


[23-Jul-22 01:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	How do you make Limestone


[23-Jul-22 01:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	The LST would need to be brought in from somewhere else


[23-Jul-22 01:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I would suggest looking at the recipes to make them and evaluate the costs to do so


[23-Jul-22 01:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	How would I evaluate costs? I like learning


[23-Jul-22 01:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	The community resources page of the wiki has lots of tools to help with this: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/

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[23-Jul-22 01:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I would suggest Rain's master base planner (w/ FIO) or the PRUNer extension


[23-Jul-22 01:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	Otherwise.. plenty of players have put together their own spreadsheets (including myself)


[23-Jul-22 01:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AbstractArtist4081**:	How would I do a spreadsheet, only made them in school


[23-Jul-22 01:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	there are many great videos on the web that go through the basics... it's using the basics to process the data in the way you'd like it


[23-Jul-22 01:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pimpernuckel**:	@RBGzero Where can I find FIO? googled it but didn't find anything


[23-Jul-22 01:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I learned by breaking down how other's have done it and cobbling something together


[23-Jul-22 01:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	@Pimpernuckel, for the FIO site: https://fio.fnar.net/


[23-Jul-22 01:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	If you want the data steam (such as prices)... these are where to grab them: https://doc.fnar.net/#/csv/get_csv_prices


[23-Jul-22 01:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pimpernuckel**:	@RNGzero Thank you!


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**Pimpernuckel**:	Hi folks!


[24-Jul-22 10:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	hell!


[24-Jul-22 10:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	WAIT NO HELLO


[24-Jul-22 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	hell yeah!


[24-Jul-22 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	hey there


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**RiseofFilth**:	"Hell'o There."


[24-Jul-22 02:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	hey, does anyone know how I can go from "Unrated" to "Pending" in my company rating?


[24-Jul-22 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	I tried looking it up, but the wiki said I need a Basic or Pro account. I am assuming the unpaid account is the one called "Basic", but I could be wrong


[24-Jul-22 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	Sorry for the text wall, I am a new player who is trying to figure things out haha.


[24-Jul-22 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Pro is actively paying for an upgraded subscription, basic means you paid for a subscription at least once. Free accounts cannot access the LM to prevent new account harvesting abuse.


[24-Jul-22 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	ah! thanks!


[24-Jul-22 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	so I can not trade with other players unless I pay for an account?


[24-Jul-22 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	or is there some other way I am not aware of?


[24-Jul-22 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Erix_123**:	Without a Pro account, there is no way to directly trade with other players. Instead you need to buy and sell on the commodity exchange


[24-Jul-22 03:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	ah, unfortunate


[24-Jul-22 03:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	thank you for the pointers!


[24-Jul-22 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	The LM carries more risky and complexity anyways while the CX is safer and carries no fees and better for new players in general.


[24-Jul-22 03:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	yeah, I just liked the idea of being a space trucker


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[24-Jul-22 08:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	Does a basic account carry over to new companies if you liquidate/restart? Or would I be able to keep the basic account across resets


[24-Jul-22 08:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	I love the game so far and definitely want to support the developers, I am kinda just broke/can't afford 72 euro a month at this point in my life


[24-Jul-22 08:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	I don't know but try asking in Discord and you'll get an answer faster than here: https://discord.gg/86N3fpyy


[24-Jul-22 08:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	*a year


[24-Jul-22 08:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	ah, thanks!


[24-Jul-22 08:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	I'd join the discord, but I am at work/allowed to play this when slow because it looks like work to customers


[24-Jul-22 08:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Lol, understood


[24-Jul-22 08:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	truely, spreadsheets in space


[24-Jul-22 08:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	I always say that this game is for analysts and accountants who don't get enough analyzing and accounting at work


[24-Jul-22 08:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	If you ask in the global chat you will also get a faster answer


[24-Jul-22 08:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
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**Jobild**:	I didn't even notice this was just the nearby region!


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**Jobild**:	thanks for all the help neighbor


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**Churaviis**:	No problem, glad to have you on board


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**Pimpernuckel**:	Good morning Deimos!


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**kapusta**:	any one can sell 200MCG? ad on LM


[25-Jul-22 06:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**kapusta**:	thanks


[25-Jul-22 06:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	300t free on ANT -> Deimos, quick delivery, < 5h. I'm leaving in 30mins


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**Gilith**:	185t left


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**melon164**:	Got one more tiny one


[25-Jul-22 06:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	got it


[25-Jul-22 06:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	how much space have you got left?


[25-Jul-22 06:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	287t/302m3


[25-Jul-22 06:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	187t*


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**Gilith**:	ty. I'm full


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**jelutz77**:	Btw, it's not 72 Euro/mo, that's more a year's worth of subscription. A month is 8 Euros.


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**Rannepear**:	Anyone selling LSE?


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**Churaviis**:	I have a few Lactating Sea Elephants, is that what you wanted?


[25-Jul-22 09:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Yes


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**Rannepear**:	with XL lactators


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**Churaviis**:	Sea Elephant milk is the best


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**Rannepear**:	I agree. Cant find any on the CX


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**RiseofFilth**:	yo if anyone got just 10 spare MCG


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**RiseofFilth**:	a homie could use a hookup


[25-Jul-22 10:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	buying just 10 units at 30/u


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**Koldran**:	Hello


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**MarkNstein**:	Welcome to Deimos


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**RNGzero**:	Welcome


[26-Jul-22 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MarkNstein**:	In maybe 24 hours I'll be leaving Deimos to ANT. Not sure how much room I'll have. maybe 250-ish tonnes


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**MarkNstein**:	Buy ad up for 145 PG.AI1 at 45ea because I mis-calced.


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**MarkNstein**:	PG fulfileld


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**Pimpernuckel**:	In 2 hours I will travel back from Antares Station to Deimos. 450m³ space and 266.05t load free.


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**Triqueon**:	I put some ads up on the LM


[27-Jul-22 04:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pimpernuckel**:	3 ads accepted 432.25/500 t and 94.00/500 m³


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**Bobemor**:	So education is now no longer capped by comfort but now by culture. We'll look to improve culture for next POPR but also looking at how best to give ENG and SCI a quick boost that won't skew numbers for future. Leaning towards an ENG attraction campaign but would value others thoughts.


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**4LpHaOnE**:	ALO producer looking for Corp!!!


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**WhosRodrix**:	How much ALO per day?


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**RNGzero**:	on Deimos... 28/day at 100% efficiency


[29-Jul-22 11:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**WhosRodrix**:	No I mean, how much can 4LpHaOnE supply per day


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**Pimpernuckel**:	Good morning CEOs! In nearly 2 hours I will travel back from Antares Station to Deimos. Vessel ist at 4/500 m³ - 5.7/500 t. Does anyone needs transport?


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**Churaviis**:	Two ads up totalling 64.6t/41.5m


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**jelutz77**:	My ads were taken not long ago


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**BlackLumberjack**:	sneed


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**4LpHaOnE**:	any1 willing to sell me some fuel FTL & STL on deimos lokal market


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**4LpHaOnE**:	iam stranded


[31-Jul-22 03:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**4LpHaOnE**:	ZV-759c


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**4LpHaOnE**:	ty bigos


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**Rannepear**:	Few loads on Deimos LM, destination ANT. TY!


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**CANNAN5**:	If anyone is shipping from Benten a 10k and my 3k contract to deliver less than a full ship fromthere is up Bent to Diemos on Bent LM


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**Gilith**:	I took the 10k shipping, but that one wasn't yours. can't fit the other shippings unfortunately


[01-Aug-22 12:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	wtb 1 LDE, 8000 AIC. Please post, I'm basic


[01-Aug-22 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	posted


[01-Aug-22 01:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**alucard998**:	thanks!


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**thejeffcooper**:	if anyone has ship(s) sitting around, I just posted a bunch of 10k shipping contracts on the LM to fly a full ship of stuff to avalon (in HRT space). I can repost in AIC if you don't want ICA


[01-Aug-22 03:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	also two 11k ones if you're willing to burn hard and get there in 2 days instead of 3


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**Sir-Francis**:	so is this basically EVE but without the spaceships, just spreadsheets?


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**Jobild**:	mmmmmm


[01-Aug-22 06:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	spreamdsheemt


[01-Aug-22 06:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**valdin98**:	Yeah this is a Jita simulator


[01-Aug-22 06:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	just more spreadsheets and less combat


[01-Aug-22 06:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Sir-Francis**:	where does one get fuel / check for fuel prices?


[01-Aug-22 06:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Sir-Francis**:	can't find fuel in CXL


[01-Aug-22 06:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Look on Antares CX: that is the local CX.


[01-Aug-22 06:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Sir-Francis**:	oh shoot, you can scroll the dropdowns


[01-Aug-22 06:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Sir-Francis**:	thanks


[01-Aug-22 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Sir-Francis**:	is there a REST API for CX prices / order books?


[01-Aug-22 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Sir-Francis**:	manually typing it into spreadsheets feels pretty stupid


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**RNGzero**:	ther eis


[01-Aug-22 07:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	Most players get price info from FIO


[01-Aug-22 07:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	https://fio.fnar.net/


[01-Aug-22 07:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	they can be directly grabbed into a spreadsheet as well


[01-Aug-22 07:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	from FIO


[01-Aug-22 07:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	for google sheets, they are over here: https://doc.fnar.net/#/csv


[01-Aug-22 07:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Sir-Francis**:	oh yes. Thanks!


[01-Aug-22 07:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Sir-Francis**:	do fuel costs scale linearly with mass?


[01-Aug-22 08:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	there are many aspects which go into fuel costs


[01-Aug-22 08:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	mass is just one of them


[01-Aug-22 08:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Sir-Francis**:	for a given route, is it ~1.5x more fuel to fly a full ship as opposed to an empty one?


[01-Aug-22 08:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	You can test all this in the blueprints menu (new buffer -> BLU -> Create -> test)


[01-Aug-22 08:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	the ship auto generated is a starter ship


[01-Aug-22 08:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Sir-Francis**:	nice, thanks!


[01-Aug-22 08:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	at lot of the time you'll noticed sliding the fuel usage to the right starts to costing more fuel than time saved


[01-Aug-22 08:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	as spaceships need to spend fuel to accelerate but also deaccelerate at their destination.


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**Jobild**:	so, I know that being in a corporation has some benefits


[01-Aug-22 09:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	are there any downsides?


[01-Aug-22 09:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	I can't seem to find any


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**Churaviis**:	The only downside to being in a corporation is that you can't be in a different, more better corporation


[01-Aug-22 09:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	I see!


[01-Aug-22 09:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Jobild**:	is anyone recruiting lol


[01-Aug-22 10:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	Best place to find a corp is onthe UFO discord


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**Dover**:	Looking for 80+ MCG


[02-Aug-22 06:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	I can spare about 125 if you still need


[02-Aug-22 06:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	Great. 20/u ok?


[02-Aug-22 06:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Thats fine, contract accepted


[02-Aug-22 06:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	Thank you. My smelters can get back to work producing goods lost to pirates :(


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**FlammaVarga**:	Looking for some prefabs @LM


[02-Aug-22 08:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	@Dover have you reported those pirates on the pirate-reports channel on the UFO discord?


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**Gilith**:	@FlammaVarga check priv


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**melon164**:	wtb immediately 2×LSE at 8k/u, please post a sell if you have them on site (I'm basic)


[02-Aug-22 11:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	filled


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**melon164**:	Thanks :)


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**SFScorpio**:	What's a common price range for shipping contracts from here to Antares? Any hints?


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**jelutz77**:	I do well with 3/t, min 50 for small shipments


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**riuku**:	get an immediate refund when purchasing from exchange?


[03-Aug-22 03:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Refund of deposit yes. In net, it's money out of your pocket.


[03-Aug-22 03:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	When buying at or above ask


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**riuku**:	thx for the info


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**melon164**:	wtb 8 BSE


[05-Aug-22 01:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	Sorry, make that 14 BSE


[05-Aug-22 01:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**kapusta**:	i have some


[05-Aug-22 01:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	Can you post a sell?


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**kapusta**:	yes no problem


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**kapusta**:	posted


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**melon164**:	Thanks


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**capi3101**:	Priority shipping request - paying independent hauler 2500 AIC to pick up 7.2t/2.4m from Antares Station to deliver to Deimos within three days. LMA ZV-759c/30573 for interested parties.


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**Nirces**:	anyone selling NG? 50 pieces?


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**OUQUO**:	Hello there, anyone interested in joining a corporation? FIO Corporation is looking for new companies to join our ranks. If you are willing to cause, or If interested in joining PM me or join our discord and read through our #welcome channel 🙂 https://discord.gg/WNgrAzMdhx


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**melon164**:	anyone got a little O (up to ~50u) they could sell?


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**jelutz77**:	Sure


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**jelutz77**:	Send a reasonable offer


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**melon164**:	I'm basic, need someone to post


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**jelutz77**:	But what's your license status?


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**melon164**:	oooh burn


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**melon164**:	Thanks :-)


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**jelutz77**:	Np


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**Bobemor**:	Well the POPR was a mixed bag, things slowly moving in right direction. But we need more engineers.


[10-Aug-22 02:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Will do a Festivites to boost happiness and increase growth, whilst also looking to get more supplies into the Art Gallery for Culture. We'll see more Engineers and Scientists next week, but will keep a close eye on Settler population


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**Churaviis**:	My PIO's keep complaining about not being able to take a walk around the block without getting stabbed for their overall buttons


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**Bobemor**:	What do they mean being safe 46.4% of the time isn't enough??


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**Churaviis**:	Apparently not, they keep leaving mumbling about not wanting their kids to join gangs or something


[10-Aug-22 02:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	An effective form of on the job training others might say


[10-Aug-22 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	So what are you gonna do about it BOB?


[10-Aug-22 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Heard you got yourself a new computer with our tax dollars


[10-Aug-22 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Care to explain?


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**VenomCorp**:	We need PIONEERS!!!


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**VenomCorp**:	only 221 in the pool for new player is so important


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**Namthorn**:	that's ~1/10th of total unemployed iirc


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**Rwinner16**:	Bring back child labor!


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**Churaviis**:	Children can't end up in gangs if they're working in the mines modernproblemsrequiremodernsolutions.jpg


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**Bobemor**:	I personally think the gangs are a brilliant youth project that helps teach the children our values of hardwork, grit, and capitalism. It is a wonderful mean streets to industrial wasteland pipeline.


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**melon164**:	Anyone able to sell me some C?  I have spare organs...


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**juzek14**:	u need much?


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**melon164**:	up to 200u


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**juzek14**:	can spare maybe 80


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**melon164**:	but any amount would be helpful


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**melon164**:	80 would be grand


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**aphonydissent**:	@melon164 I can spare about 60, dm me


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**7ux0n0**:	And here I am, buying my C at AI1 like a fucking loser.


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**CianMcGraph**:	Does it make sense to build an incincerator an make your own carbon from bought plants?


[11-Aug-22 07:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Yeah


[11-Aug-22 07:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Youll have to figure out a profitable balance until you can manage a few horizontal bases to increase your efficiency but its not a bad idea


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**CianMcGraph**:	yeah I think it makes sense, it is currently my biggest expense in making Aluminum, an oxygen collector would not make sense since oxygen is already cheap.


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**CianMcGraph**:	the investment into an Incinerator only cost around 16200AIC, when I am more flush with money I will do that.


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**jelutz77**:	Liquid O from SE-648c is pretty cheap


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**Swatacular**:	Anyone got some extra limestone I can buy?


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**juzek14**:	sure, can sell about 80


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**Swatacular**:	You can go ahead and list it


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**juzek14**:	up there


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**Swatacular**:	Rip I am just short on funds


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**Swatacular**:	I put some iron ore up.. and can sell a BSE or BDE if you want


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**juzek14**:	[']


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**MrBigCookie**:	hello you light metalheads


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**Swatacular**:	Hey


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**riuku**:	Greetings DEIMOS fam, I come in ✌☮


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**RNGzero**:	Welcome!


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**Churaviis**:	@riku you come in two pieces?


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**Tivianne**:	Hello o7


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**Churaviis**:	Goodbye


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**Swatacular**:	Mornin\


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**Rannepear**:	Yo


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**Nirces**:	anyone selling LHP?


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**Rannepear**:	Anyone with 100 rats they could spare? I have a buy on LM @80/u. Need to hold me over. Thanks in advance!


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**Bobemor**:	Festivities project today had a big boost to help Pioneers get back to a large buffer, it looks like they likely would have stayed in the green without but i know this will eliviate some people's concerns. Engineer happiness is now about 50% (without Festivities boost) which is good and should stay there next week and beyond as we've been able to sustain the inputs. I'm setting up a Engineer attraction campaign so will get 50+ next week.


[17-Aug-22 04:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	FIOC very kindly donated the parts for two SST levels and two INF levels. I've set up both the SST levels with the hope that this means the unemployment level on pioneers is a bit less close to the wire (as this was causing some concern). Have set only 1 of new INFs to active as Health has never been an issue but may be useful to give it a small relatively cheap boost, but may drop back to 1 if it is overkill. (We have a large over population of Settlers currently)


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**Churaviis**:	1,407 open jobs is a bit over the line


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[17-Aug-22 10:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rwinner16**:	Well not really. The open jobs is shown, and calculated before the Migrations. Deimos now has a healthy buffer of PIO's due to the GOV's program


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**Rannepear**:	Our fearless leader o7


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**Bobemor**:	@churaviis I do feel like we've gone over this. Rwinner is correct, the open jobs shown is prior to the Change calculation. We also have had a substantial new base wave it seems as well which is always a great sign.


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**Bobemor**:	My main concern now is how to best maximise Engineers so that Deimos can really be the shipbuilding centre of the galaxy that it should be.


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**MrBigCookie**:	The Deimos nike combo has so much potential..


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**MrBigCookie**:	Ant has been severely underestimated imho.


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**Rannepear**:	How? People make use of it right now


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**RNGzero**:	close proximity of smelting and construction CoGC planets plus material synergies (AL + LST) to the CX can make stuff happen


[17-Aug-22 04:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Rwinner16**:	Both ZV systems have great STL potential. I've been building a lot of glass STLs to take advantage. Throw in zv-639, and there's almost everything needed for a 10 base synergy that 2-3 FTL ships can manage.


[17-Aug-22 04:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Rwinner16**:	Just need a SHY in 639 and I can get a fleet started there


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**cloudskillet**:	lol i am so confused


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**RNGzero**:	@cloudskillet, the help channel is a great place to ask questions!


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**Neshdan**:	As i cant join help channel: What happens to the stuff bought at a commodity exchange when no ship (or other storage possibility) is there?


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**Churaviis**:	Hi gets put in a contract that can be retrieved later at no extra cost


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**Neshdan**:	Thank you! found it :)


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**RNGzero**:	@Neshdan, to join the help channel.. just type: COMP help    into a new buffer


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**7ux0n0**:	Bloody hell the Flux prices are through the roof....


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**jelutz77**:	Time to start making some?


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**7ux0n0**:	I am not even remotely close to financially able to produce my own FLX


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**7ux0n0**:	I am still running on 1COL 1EXT and 1SM


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**7ux0n0**:	Bloody hell, profitability of AL dropped by 23% compared to my last restock...


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**jelutz77**:	It's only 180


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**Gilith**:	I can sell you some FLX


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**jelutz77**:	And you get an extra piece of metal for it.


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**Gilith**:	120/u, I can spare 50


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**7ux0n0**:	Yes I know. And I still know it's more profitable than not using it (I have a table infront of me)


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**aphonydissent**:	Heyo, I seem to have forgotten to restock my Power Tools, anyone got some spare?


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**SFScorpio**:	Maybe 3 I could spare ^^


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**aphonydissent**:	that would give me a day to get a shipment over


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**aphonydissent**:	dm me


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**SFScorpio**:	Just put up a buy ad, I'll fulfill


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**aphonydissent**:	CONTD Sent


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**SFScorpio**:	Great!


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**aphonydissent**:	Thanks!!


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**VenomCorp**:	hi Deimos owners, i need 2 or 4 carbon asap someone can help me?(i pay)


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**TheNoNinja**:	You can dm me if you still need help


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**Swatacular**:	I can also help if needed


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**alucard998**:	I'd like to buy 2 LDE @ 6500/u. I'm basic, so if you can fill that, please post an ad!


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**alucard998**:	filled, thanks!


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**Bobemor**:	Hmm, interesting think the CONTD changes are starting to show on the tax returns with a noticable drop below what we'd expect (about 10-20k less). Not huge but just an interesting obeservation.


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**juzek14**:	interesting indeed


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**Rannepear**:	Feels like they should still take the tax of the origin planet


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**Gilith**:	shippings can be posted on origin or destination LM; where should they be taxed then?


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**juzek14**:	you could literally choose then, so an option to choose now (ether src, or dest) as natural follow up


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**juzek14**:	in practice, everyone went with cheaper option, preferably outer region if possible (tax free) unless you don't care, or forgot


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**melon164**:	Anyone got SI they could sell here?


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**Gilith**:	how much do you need?


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**melon164**:	up to 40u


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**Gilith**:	CONTD sent


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**Gilith**:	crap... reject it, wrong planet


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**Gilith**:	2nd one is corrected


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**melon164**:	Thanks :)


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**Gilith**:	looking for 5 MED, ad is posted


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**Bobemor**:	72 new engineers 🎉


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**valdin98**:	Great job Bob!


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**juzek14**:	yeah! gj Bobe ;)


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**OUQUO**:	Hello there, anyone interested in joining a corporation? FIO Corporation is looking for new companies to join our ranks. If you are willing to cause, or If interested in joining PM me or join our discord and read through our #welcome channel 🙂 https://discord.gg/WNgrAzMdhx


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**Bobemor**:	74 new Engineers which is great. Though we now have a slight technician shortage, the continual sustained growth of Technicians has caught me a little by surprise. Its not chronic so a boost next week should sort it for a while. Looks like festivities next then back to some Engineer immigrationsnext


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**aphonydissent**:	anyone have 100 RAT I could buy real quick, got a ship on the way, but didn't time things right.


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**ArcturusTruth**:	Is there a way to reopen the tutorial messages?


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**RNGzero**:	At the top right, select the Help: x/9 to see the tutortial stuff


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**RNGzero**:	This video series also helps as well: https://youtu.be/5jkQvL7xDL4?t=41

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jkQvL7xDL4&start=41
Prosperous Universe | NPTNP: EPISODE 2 - Base & Screen Management
Howdy CEO's! This one is a long one, but a good one. Today we discuss basic screen and base setup to get you started on your way of getting you out of your mother's basement and get you started on your galactic empire!

Join my corporation: https://discord.gg/MwS8s8qvCk
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**jelutz77**:	HELP command for a listing of the 9 initial tasks.


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**jelutz77**:	TRA for the initial "transmission" videos.


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**WhosRodrix**:	Buying AL, send me the ad(s)


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**Gilith**:	I need some ALO urgently- ads posted on LM, or send me a contract


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**Churaviis**:	How do you finish a message without accidentally hitting enter part way through?


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**Rannepear**:	liveee without you


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**Kalinda**:	lol   Thanks for the earworm


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**jelutz77**:	LOL


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**capi3101**:	Priority shipping request. Will pay 2500 to haul 40.5 tonnes from Antares Station to Deimos. See LMA ZV-759c/32305.


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**capi3101**:	Order closed; thank y'all.


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**Bobemor**:	Anyone sell MSLs on Deimos?


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**tylerg964**:	is anyone on?


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**RNGzero**:	yup!


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**tylerg964**:	how are you?


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**RNGzero**:	doing well


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**tylerg964**:	I'm new to the game, seems pretty interesting


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**tylerg964**:	any tips?


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**RNGzero**:	Can sell 1/2 your starting fuel if you need more money for a building or supplies


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**tylerg964**:	I am currently... broke


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**RNGzero**:	otherwsie, this video series is very helpful: https://youtu.be/5jkQvL7xDL4?t=41

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SeaPear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jkQvL7xDL4&start=41
Prosperous Universe | NPTNP: EPISODE 2 - Base & Screen Management
Howdy CEO's! This one is a long one, but a good one. Today we discuss basic screen and base setup to get you started on your way of getting you out of your mother's basement and get you started on your galactic empire!

Join my corporation: https://discord.gg/MwS8s8qvCk
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**tylerg964**:	but the fuels only sell for about 12 ac


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**tylerg964**:	unless i'm looking at the wrong thing


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**RNGzero**:	if you are broke, than anythign helps


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**tylerg964**:	thank you!


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**tylerg964**:	watching now


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**QuadLazr**:	howdy yall


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**Churaviis**:	Welcome


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**RNGzero**:	hey there!


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**QuadLazr**:	howdy


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**QuadLazr**:	is there much to do for a brand new player after I build some production buildings and set some orders?


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**RNGzero**:	yup, this videos shows some options


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**RNGzero**:	https://youtu.be/X3FGxS5DeQM?t=53

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SeaPear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3FGxS5DeQM&start=53
Prosperous Universe - The Secret Profession to Quick Wealth
What if I told you a world, where work that would take weeks... can take days? 

Arbitrage Scanner:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1llgYSnuOyaD4tjlkzM33e3PNeS6zRbeC6N3C_se43Z0/edit?usp=sharing

Join our Discord at Nascent Merchantile: https://discord.gg/MwS8s8qvCk
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**QuadLazr**:	thanks


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**RNGzero**:	new players may want to sell 1/2 their starting fuel for additional funds for another building or supplies


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**RNGzero**:	Deimos does AL... so metallurgy and PP2s work best here


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**Rwinner16**:	just FYI - ZV-759b is also Metallurgy for any experienced players needing more of that type


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**Bobemor**:	So lots of new Techs which is great. Should be a surplus of slightly over 200. We should expect over 200 to grow next week, but recent trend mean we should see another 400 Tech demand which with some margins of error does mean it could be tight. Though we've got a massive Settler surplus so I'm reluctant to do another Festivities as it'll push out even more of them and we don't want them eating our fulfilment too much.


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**Bobemor**:	I'm leaning towards another Engineer program this week then festivities week after if Technicians are as close as I fear (they reasonably could not me). Will get another HAB to upgrade the PAR before the next popr and start the ball rolling on an ART upgrade.


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**Bobemor**:	So if you make or sell HABs let me know


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**Churaviis**:	We need more of the higher tiers and fewer of the lower ones, wouldn't an education campaign solve both problems?


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**Swatacular**:	I was going to ask the same thing


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**WhosRodrix**:	I can supply a HAB either for pickup on Heph or I can get it delivered to Deimos.


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**WhosRodrix**:	Once I start production of it that is


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**melon164**:	I make HABs


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**Rwinner16**:	If you are willing - I'm looking for 20 HABs for EW.


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**melon164**:	sure!


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**melon164**:	probably 2w for that many, not sure on the numbers


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**jelutz77**:	POPI to maintain higher tiers also makes lower tiers happy and therefore grow


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**Bobemor**:	Education Campaign may work if we get a few more Pios, but that is a good suggestion. Might be another FES then a EDU


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**Swatacular**:	Anyone on Deimos make FE? Looking for a supplier.


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Hello people and bots. I come in peace.


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**Swatacular**:	Hello!


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**RNGzero**:	hey there!


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**Bobemor**:	Welcome!


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**jelutz77**:	Hello people and bots, I come in one piece


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**Heliotrope**:	408.9t / 444.9m3 Available | Traveling from Antares Station to Deimos | Anyone need cargo shipped? Leaving in a few hours.


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**Matjek**:	If anyone (or anyones corp) needs more capacity here and wants to come to an arrangement so I can expand my first base quicker, send me a DM.


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**Swatacular**:	Sent DM


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**Bobemor**:	Hmm, still no movement on that HAB unit. *grumble*


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**RNGzero**:	yes, Drones can make quite a bit of money


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**mmmd**:	but if you want a MM to farm, I think EDC are much simpler to farm


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**mmmd**:	but I'd rather make something usable :D


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**mmmd**:	and I guess Drone-Hubs are the only ship part that actually reduce damage without increasing repair costs afterwards


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**FlammaVarga**:	Anyone making Universal Toolset on Deimos? i asked for 2 on LM


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**Rwinner16**:	If any of you guys are needing "H" - I have up to 4k for sale on ZV-759g at 30/u.


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**Swatacular**:	Ill take it. but shipping will be about 2-3 days


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	STREAM starting. Topic is Gov & You. Noob questions welcome. Come join us.  https://www.twitch.tv/grandpacanuck

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GrandpaCanuck - Twitch
I'm an older Canadian guy who likes a large assortment of games.  I'm full of history and stories. Lets talk about WW2, the War of 1812, or Canadiana. I usually stream once or twice daily with content & times being diverse.
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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	STREAM over. Thanks all who were there.


[18-Sep-22 05:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Gov and you? :O


[18-Sep-22 05:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I should have watched!


[18-Sep-22 05:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	You can see the video at my TWITCH page if you like. It will be there for a week or so.


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**Bobemor**:	I'll give it a gander :)


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**RNGzero**:	For someone wondering about what governors do.. it was very informative


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**RiseofFilth**:	Shit, i better watch that


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**RNGzero**:	It got split between 2 parts... first part is here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1594707260

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Gov & You. Open discussion. Noob questions welcome - grandpacanuck ...
grandpacanuck went live on Twitch. Catch up on their Prosperous Universe VOD now.
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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Can anyone sell me BFabs at less than the Antares STN CX prices? I am after 27 BSE 21 BBH and 2 BDE within the next 36 hours.


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Thanks Kapusta. I need only 2 the 2 BDEs now people.


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**Gilith**:	do you need them here? or on katoa?


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	here within a day


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Katoa is a seperate build project I have


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Thanks.


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**Gilith**:	yw


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**FlammaVarga**:	Anyone going to Nike today from Deimos? Care to take my Shipping contract with you (LMA-759c)


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**FlammaVarga**:	SHIPPING 3.20t / 2.00m³ @ 1,000.00 AIC from


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**Knarfaction**:	i will leave for Nike in about 1h if you need something shiped i have 800m³ and 900t free


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**FlammaVarga**:	oh yes i can make something


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**FlammaVarga**:	Another shipping contr. on the lm, thanks


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**Knarfaction**:	got them :) 600m³ and 400t are still free


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**Knarfaction**:	still here just post what you have


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**Gilith**:	one more incoming


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**Gilith**:	OK that's it- 3 shipments


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**Gilith**:	can you still fit the 270t one?


[20-Sep-22 07:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Knarfaction**:	i can


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**Gilith**:	ty


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**Knarfaction**:	ok the ship on its way and will arrive in 7h#


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**Gilith**:	you're still here? I have a few shipments


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**Gilith**:	I've sent you CONTD


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Well I messed up. I am short 50 MCG to do my builds. LM as up at above local CX price. Please help.


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**Churaviis**:	I got you


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Thanks appreciate it. I switched 1 of the 5 buildings I was making and didnt check the MCG total changing it seems.  oopes happen.


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**Phonk**:	sup people


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**RNGzero**:	hey there


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**jelutz77**:	Anybody need stuff shipped from ANT? 900m3/2500t available


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**Gilith**:	I've sent you one shipment contract


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**VenomCorp**:	hi ppl, someone can help me i wtb 50 mcg at market price


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**VenomCorp**:	ad posted


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**Phonk**:	I can deliver 487 m3 and 495t from Antares CXL, so lmk if you need anything


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**FlammaVarga**:	Anybody making some UTS on Deimos? I did a buy order at LM


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**Churaviis**:	I got you


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**FlammaVarga**:	cheers


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**adonis_nicholas**:	looking for 50 FF, I put an ad for it in LM. Help would be appreciated


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	50 FF sent.


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**Rento247**:	Greetings, residents of Deimos. May we all be prosperous, togethtaa! \o/


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**Bobemor**:	o/


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**OptimiserOlorin**:	Buy order up for SF, above market rate!


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	My weekly STREAM is starting. Topic today is Shipping &CX Trading with guest RNGzero. Noobie questions welcome. Come visit at https://www.twitch.tv/grandpacanuck

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I'm an older Canadian guy who likes a large assortment of games.  I'm full of history and stories. Lets talk about WW2, the War of 1812, or Canadiana. I usually stream several times a week with content & times being diverse.
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[25-Sep-22 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PowerDimex**:	how long have this game been running?


[25-Sep-22 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	year or so


[25-Sep-22 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Knarfaction**:	it has been about 550days since the last reset


[25-Sep-22 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Knarfaction**:	the universe befor ran for 2 years


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**PowerDimex**:	nice :)


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**bojidar008**:	@Knarfaction what you mean reset?


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**Knarfaction**:	this will not be the final universe there will be at least one more universe reset whenever the devs have a major update to implement


[25-Sep-22 04:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Knarfaction**:	if there are changes to the universe map for example


[25-Sep-22 04:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	STREAM over. If you missed it you can watch it here over the next 2 weeks. Thanks RNGzero for being my guest and tanks to all those who tuned in.


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**Arkhaun**:	universe reset means we are going to lost all of our work ans start again from 0?


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**OddPotato**:	yeah, everyone starts from 0


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**Arkhaun**:	:O


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**Arkhaun**:	and they have a date for that?


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**Rannepear**:	no


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**OddPotato**:	don't worry about reset lol, it'll probably be years before something like that happens


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**Rwinner16**:	I'd assume another year or so IMO.


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**jelutz77**:	same


[26-Sep-22 09:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	They'll be plenty of warning. Last time the universe was majorly reworked, improved, and expanded. So it's often a very positive thing!


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**Alaitoic**:	Don't suppose there's a madman on deimos making carbon?


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**RNGzero**:	I bet there are


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	You looking for a mad man? lol I don't make much but I make a little.


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	I also can bring it in regular maybe. Private message me is you looking for something special.


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**RNGzero**:	Looking for 2 BBHs on LM. Ship arrived quicker than the PP2s could process xD


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**RiseofFilth**:	I got chu


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**RNGzero**:	Thank you kindly


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**VenomCorp**:	hi someone have TRU to sell?


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**RiseofFilth**:	Sure


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**RiseofFilth**:	Done


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**VenomCorp**:	thx


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**Bobemor**:	Needed to cut down on rampant lower growth this week. Will do a targeted engineering program next week, and then a scientist one all being well. Should also see the PAR third level help stabilise Engineering growth


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**Swatacular**:	How do you “cut down” on something besides just not fulfilling it


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**Gilith**:	to anyone flying Ant -> Deimos, there's a tiny shipment that I really need moved in max 2 days


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**Bobemor**:	Interested in procuring 2 WOR (for the second Art Gallery), please reach out if you are able to produce such goods.


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**mmmd**:	@bobemor I have an underutilized UPF, if you supply mats I can make it


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**Bobemor**:	interesting offer, anyone have the mats? :P


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**kapusta**:	i have 14UTS


[29-Sep-22 04:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Thank you kapusta!


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**Bobemor**:	Now who has a PPF?


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	My PPF is on Katoa.


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**melon164**:	I'll donate PPF time if someone supplies me the PG


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**Exeler**:	How much PG? I just got into the business of making it


[29-Sep-22 08:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Exeler**:	Looks like 2*(20PLS*40PG/PSL + 12PSM*20PG/PSM) = 2080PG


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**Exeler**:	I've got twice that on hand right now, I can have it Deimos by tomorrow


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**melon164**:	sgtm


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**Bobemor**:	this sound great


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**Swatacular**:	I also got PG on deimos. I'll send 2080 over and maybe we save a day


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**Bobemor**:	Can provide 583 PG as well


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**Schipach**:	hello world!


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**Churaviis**:	Another programmer, nice


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**Schipach**:	no, i'm not


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**adonis_nicholas**:	posted for 2 TRU on Local Market. Help would be appreciated.


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**OUQUO**:	Hello there, anyone interested in joining a corporation? FIO Corporation is looking for new companies to join our ranks. If you are interested in joining PM me or join our discord and read through our #welcome channel 🙂 https://discord.gg/WNgrAzMdhx


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**Aeper**:	Dumb question, How do i load Ore unto a shuttle to sell it?


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**RiseofFilth**:	So, you need to have a ship landed


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**RiseofFilth**:	Have a window set to fleet, code "FLT"


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**RiseofFilth**:	Click on the bar under cargo for the landed ship


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**RiseofFilth**:	That will open the cargo window


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**RiseofFilth**:	you should be able to drag and drop anything from your base inventory to your ship inventory


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**RiseofFilth**:	once you have moved everything over to the new inventory, you can fly it to the market at Antares Station and sell it there


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**RiseofFilth**:	depending on your premium/account status, you can also sell ore to the local market


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**Aeper**:	Got it, Thank you!


[01-Oct-22 10:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	no problem!


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**Aeper**:	How hard is it to set up another Mining base? Like if i want to extract Iron ore and bring it to my main base in a local system?


[01-Oct-22 11:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	If you go to the planet's info page in question and scroll to the bottom, there is a start base button


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**RiseofFilth**:	It will open a window that lists the base construction costs at the top


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**RiseofFilth**:	The standard is 12 PSL, 100 MCG, 4 LSE, LDE, and LTA


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**RiseofFilth**:	If the planet has unsafe conditions like extra gravity or too hot, other materials will be necessary too


[01-Oct-22 11:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	After you have the command module, each structure you want to build, like extractors, have their own cost as well


[01-Oct-22 11:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	So generally, expansion costs a fair bit of cash, especially to newer players


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**RiseofFilth**:	That being said, this is Deimos, one of the best planets in all of Antares space


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**RiseofFilth**:	ALO extraction and O collection can be extremely profitable


[01-Oct-22 11:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Yeah, i was looking to add FEO to my ALO production


[01-Oct-22 11:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Just in terms of income, id imagine anyone here would recommend maxing out this base for profitability before moving on


[01-Oct-22 11:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Maybe trading for FEO in exchange for ALO


[01-Oct-22 11:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Iron definitely has its uses, but Deimos is most well known for its AL production


[01-Oct-22 11:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Don't be afraid to maximize what you can, on any base, for what makes money, rather than trying to do everything yourself


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**RiseofFilth**:	And AL production here makes $$$


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**RiseofFilth**:	ALO and O extraction too


[01-Oct-22 11:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Yeah, Oxygen was going to be my next building so i only need to buy FLUX and Carbon


[01-Oct-22 11:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	solid plan


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**Aeper**:	This is very much a set and forget game at first huh?


[01-Oct-22 12:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	It depends how you're playing the game


[01-Oct-22 12:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	While you're on 1-2 bases... some player engage in shipping or CX Trading which makes things more active


[01-Oct-22 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Swatacular**:	I legit didn’t stop playing the game the first month I started. I was working on loans and managing without a very large buffer


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**Swatacular**:	now I’m a little ahead with a good 10-20 day buffer for bases and I can relax a bit


[01-Oct-22 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	having a stockpile of consumables is big. It helps so mauch


[01-Oct-22 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	I like to keep my stockpiles 2 times my logistical needs put even then oopes happen.


[01-Oct-22 04:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	@Asper, yes, it is technically an idle game at a certain level of design


[01-Oct-22 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Wow, Its definity going to take some time to get more extractors. At 26,325 roughly each.


[01-Oct-22 06:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TuffyLess**:	pli pyrgos


[01-Oct-22 06:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	@asper depending on your desire to stick with the game, there are a lot of corps recruiting folks willing to commit to be steady supplier of ALO and O


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**RNGzero**:	or be a hero and settle a CUO planet xD


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**RiseofFilth**:	dont wory RNG, within the month


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**RiseofFilth**:	:)


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**RNGzero**:	xD


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**RNGzero**:	you'll have a good time doing that


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**RiseofFilth**:	im already having a good time


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**RiseofFilth**:	I'm gonna have the bestest of times


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Well, the best of the best of the best is still to come I am sure.


[01-Oct-22 07:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Indeed


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**Aeper**:	@RNGzero a CUO planet?


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**RNGzero**:	CUO is just copper ore


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**Aeper**:	I'm liking this "game". its definitely scratching an itch.


[01-Oct-22 08:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Wait is copper just crappy to mine or somthing?


[01-Oct-22 08:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	copper tends to appear in the ouuter regions and is quite heavy


[01-Oct-22 08:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Magyk**:	Hi, I'm a new player. Just asking, the Deimos planet information showing that fertile soil is center to left meaning the soil not fertile but in construction of farm show that fertile soil is a yes. My question is, can farm be build and produce on this planet?


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**Aeper**:	I would settle a CUO planet is someone paid for the start up requirments


[01-Oct-22 08:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	@Magyk, yes you can farm Deimos


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**RNGzero**:	it has a slight negative... but the vast majority of planets canot have farms on them


[01-Oct-22 08:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Magyk**:	@RNGzero meaning that even it show slight negative, still can farm. Thanks for the answer.


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**RNGzero**:	yes


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**Aeper**:	I have a shuttle sitting here doing nothing at Deimos, Anyone need a shuttle trip?


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**Alaitoic**:	Question, what do the different parts of population infrastructure (safety, culture, etc.) do?


[02-Oct-22 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/planetary-population/

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9. Planetary Populations :: Prosperous Universe Wiki
Prosperous Universe Wiki


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**Alaitoic**:	thanks


[02-Oct-22 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	they improve happiness of population; each pop tier has different needs


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**RNGzero**:	Generally, only the governor needs to handle those


[02-Oct-22 01:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	My weekly TWITCH stream starts shortly. Topic today is Feast & Famine: Strategies to deal with the supply of goods. Q & A, Noob questions welcome. Come join at  https://www.twitch.tv/grandpacanuck

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GrandpaCanuck - Twitch
I'm an older Canadian guy who likes a large assortment of games.  I'm full of history and stories. Lets talk about WW2, the War of 1812, or Canadiana. I usually stream several times a week with content & times being diverse.
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/U_Pksj9DYdATuCSOXkHMzzq1ZJMdyVLnc1lQPvAKu5Y/https/static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/ea6add62-69cc-42cd-bf2d-be72d4083bd3-profile_image-300x300.png


[02-Oct-22 04:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	My TWITCH stream is over. If you wanna see it look here---https://www.twitch.tv/grandpacanuck

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https://www.twitch.tv/grandpacanuck
GrandpaCanuck - Twitch
I'm an older Canadian guy who likes a large assortment of games.  I'm full of history and stories. Lets talk about WW2, the War of 1812, or Canadiana. I usually stream several times a week with content & times being diverse.
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/U_Pksj9DYdATuCSOXkHMzzq1ZJMdyVLnc1lQPvAKu5Y/https/static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/ea6add62-69cc-42cd-bf2d-be72d4083bd3-profile_image-300x300.png


[02-Oct-22 05:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	@RNGzero , how many "screens" do you have? I'm currently at 9, just wondering how many people do on avg.


[02-Oct-22 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I have... 1 that I use regularly


[02-Oct-22 05:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	I think he is refering to the data SCRNS command at top of game screen.  I have 37 but 10-12 I seldom use.


[02-Oct-22 05:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I still just use 1 screen that I manage 90% of everything on


[02-Oct-22 05:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Ah, Gotcha. Thanks guys!


[02-Oct-22 05:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Wow, GrandpaCanuck, Checking out your Twitch recording. That is alot of windows.


[02-Oct-22 05:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	yeah, Gandpa_Canuck has a lot going on


[02-Oct-22 05:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	I like data


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**Aeper**:	I'm look at your screens and tiles trying to get a gist of what you are looking at. I can't do much atm. But i am starting to enjoy the logistics side of this game. but with new ships costing 5+ Million makes it kinda hard to expand


[02-Oct-22 05:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	a cheaper option is upgrading a ship's cargobay to take more per trip


[02-Oct-22 05:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	or you can get a cheaper STL only ship near a CX for Phobos/Hephaestus


[02-Oct-22 05:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Wait, You can make a ship that doesnt have FTL?


[02-Oct-22 05:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Yes, also the cheapest engine is a GEN. I make them BTW.


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**Aeper**:	Wait RNGzero why would i want a non FTL ship? if its stuck in that system?


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**Churaviis**:	STL only ships are super useful in that they are a quarter as expensive as any of the optimal FTL ships, so if you have two planets with a lot of shipping demand between them then it can free up your FTL ships quite a bit


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Some systems, like Antares and Benten, have 4 planets with LMs and a CX. A STL only ship can trade amongst them all for example.


[02-Oct-22 06:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Ah, Thats understandable. Guess i need to look at the local markets more


[02-Oct-22 06:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	lol I have 3 data screens to do that..lol


[02-Oct-22 06:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Only 3? i could have sworn i saw 4


[02-Oct-22 06:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	(joking) But your stream definitely has some good info.


[02-Oct-22 06:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	thanks, glad you enjoyed it. Another will happen same time next week


[02-Oct-22 06:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Sweet, i'll def hop on it.


[02-Oct-22 06:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Is there a screen for something like route planning your ships? or do i need it to be at a location for me to get the fuel and time numbers for it?


[02-Oct-22 06:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	In the blueprint window there is a test ship tab. There you can see the fuel and time etc testing


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**Aeper**:	Ooo, That is great to know. Looks like my 5.5 mil ship design can haul 2000t for 6156.95 at 3h 6m. from Deimos to ANT EXCH


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**Aeper**:	Grandpa_Canuck, whats the going rate for ENG 500,000?


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**RNGzero**:	the cost of an engine depends on the type. The cheapest STL engine (GENs) are like 150k each


[02-Oct-22 07:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Looks like to double my ship cargo it will take 550,000 per ship


[02-Oct-22 08:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	just about


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**Stonke**:	Anyone have some MFK for sale? Looking for 22 units


[03-Oct-22 03:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	I can sell you 22.


[03-Oct-22 03:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	CX price?


[03-Oct-22 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Stonke**:	Yeah that works for me


[03-Oct-22 03:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Stonke**:	I made a LM ad just over CX


[03-Oct-22 03:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Just sent a regular contract next time and save the ad fees


[03-Oct-22 03:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Stonke**:	Thanks for the trade!


[03-Oct-22 03:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	If I can spare it, I will sell it, if it is needed.


[03-Oct-22 03:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	If you need a regular supply just sent a contract.


[03-Oct-22 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Wait wait, Is it 2 Smelters Per Extractor for AL chain? and 4 if using FLX?


[03-Oct-22 07:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	exact ratio depends on your experts, but one extractor won't sustain 4 smelters. and you always use flux


[03-Oct-22 08:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Well, Looks like i need to fix that


[03-Oct-22 08:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	consider importing e.g some FEO and smelting that when you run low on ALO, it helps


[03-Oct-22 08:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Though i'm currently sitting at 1 Extractor and 1 Smelter, So best bet would be to expand to 2 smelters, Collector, and Extractor? for the short term?


[03-Oct-22 08:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	yes, and 3rd smelter after that


[03-Oct-22 08:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Isnt that third smelter going to sit idle from time to time though?


[03-Oct-22 08:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	not really- you can usually buy cheap ALO on local market


[03-Oct-22 08:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	would need x2 ALO ext for 4 smelterd... but that ratio can change with experts


[03-Oct-22 08:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	smelters will earn you the highest profits, extractors and collectors mostly just reduce your costs


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**Aeper**:	Gotcha, Definitly good to know. Roughly looking at a decent profit to buy everything at current rates.


[03-Oct-22 08:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Is there a way to see how much a resource extractor/collector/rig will extract per cycle without building one?


[03-Oct-22 08:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Anyone need something shipped from AI1 to Deimos?


[03-Oct-22 09:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch?Resources=ALO&Rocky=true


[03-Oct-22 09:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	Thank you Gilith!


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**jelutz77**:	There's been no ALO on the market for a while


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[04-Oct-22 09:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	There's currently buy orders for ~2k ALO on the LM, and about 700 of those are as good as flying it to the CX, so no surprise that not a lot of people are making sell ads


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**Churaviis**:	That makes me feel so ALOne


[04-Oct-22 09:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Buy an extractor, then you'll have a lot of more or less shiny rocks to keep you company


[04-Oct-22 09:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	:)


[04-Oct-22 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	My base is full


[04-Oct-22 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	I'd like to demo some buildings to get a license freed, in fact.


[04-Oct-22 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	I am running short of DW. LM ad for 50 up.


[04-Oct-22 10:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	I got you


[04-Oct-22 10:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	thanks


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	LM adds up for 6 BSE and 4 BDE. Hope someone wants to sell.


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**Bobemor**:	Does anyone have any PG available for purchase to enable Deimos to arrange production of some WORs (for the ART)?


[08-Oct-22 05:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	how much do you need?


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**melon164**:	Someone already gave me PG to turn into the sheets for them...


[08-Oct-22 06:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	for 2 WOR


[08-Oct-22 06:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	making some UTS now, WOR in 3-4d


[08-Oct-22 06:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	Happy to sell for the MM price of the UTS and donate the PPF/UPF time


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**Triqueon**:	I could donate like 500 PG if there's still a need for it.


[08-Oct-22 08:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Ah @melon164 already got 12 UTS so that should likely help speed things up


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**jelutz77**:	So all needs met?


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**Bobemor**:	I think so...


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**Morrison554**:	does anyone need a regular supply of medical stretchers?


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	My weekly TWITCH stream is about to start. Topic: That new Base. When where & how. Q&A Noob questions welcome. Come watch it at https://www.twitch.tv/grandpacanuck

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https://www.twitch.tv/grandpacanuck
GrandpaCanuck - Twitch
I'm an older Canadian guy who likes a large assortment of games.  I'm full of history and stories. Lets talk about WW2, the War of 1812, or Canadiana. I usually stream several times a week with content & times being diverse.
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/U_Pksj9DYdATuCSOXkHMzzq1ZJMdyVLnc1lQPvAKu5Y/https/static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/ea6add62-69cc-42cd-bf2d-be72d4083bd3-profile_image-300x300.png


[09-Oct-22 04:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	TWITCH stream over. If you wanna see it you can see the video here:  https://www.twitch.tv/grandpacanuck

{Embed}
https://www.twitch.tv/grandpacanuck
GrandpaCanuck - Twitch
I'm an older Canadian guy who likes a large assortment of games.  I'm full of history and stories. Lets talk about WW2, the War of 1812, or Canadiana. I usually stream several times a week with content & times being diverse.
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/U_Pksj9DYdATuCSOXkHMzzq1ZJMdyVLnc1lQPvAKu5Y/https/static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/ea6add62-69cc-42cd-bf2d-be72d4083bd3-profile_image-300x300.png


[09-Oct-22 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	I have a LM ad up for 2 LSE. Will pay 12,000 if you can fill the order.


[09-Oct-22 05:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Thanks


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	I have one GEN availabe and for sale at Benten STN CX. If you don't like the price contact me for a fair trade offer. Will accept part coin/part trade.


[11-Oct-22 05:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	Posted an ad for 120 PG at CX price if anyone has spare.


[11-Oct-22 07:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Got ya


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**RNGzero**:	Thank you kindly


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**Zeskos**:	If I buy materials do I have to go pick them up?


[11-Oct-22 08:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Yes, that or if you have pro then you can pay someone else to move it


[11-Oct-22 08:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Zeskos**:	Gotcha gotcha, whatre some of the first buildings I should be going for?


[11-Oct-22 08:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	You'll want to read the tutorials and use the PRUNner tool to plan out your base, which can be found in the Community Tools section


[11-Oct-22 08:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Zeskos**:	Sounds good. Ill log back in 4 hours when my ship gets there lol


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**Zeskos**:	So I got my two starter buildings, am I supposed to buy all these raw materials now to make this? Theres like no profit in it lol


[12-Oct-22 02:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	certainly supplies to keep your workers working.. and materials to process for sale


[12-Oct-22 02:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Maybe pick something else, or find a better place to do it and COLIQ to start over.


[12-Oct-22 02:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Deimos is best for AL smelting since both ALO and O are found here and can been obtained with an extractor and connector, respectively.


[12-Oct-22 02:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Zeskos**:	Gotcha is there a way to hard reset so I can pick a differnt base location?


[12-Oct-22 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Open a new buffer and type COLIQ


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**adonis_nicholas**:	Posted 2 x 20 SIO ads on LM, i bit more than CX ASK price.


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**adonis_nicholas**:	If someone can part away with 40 SIO that would be awesome


[13-Oct-22 11:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	I got you


[13-Oct-22 11:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**adonis_nicholas**:	thanks


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**VenomCorp**:	someone have mcg to sell?


[14-Oct-22 10:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**VenomCorp**:	ad posted!


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**Churaviis**:	I got you


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**Jules_Smeg**:	BUYING 1000 Aluminium Ore (ALO) @ 50,000.00 AIC for delivery within 10 days  x3


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**Churaviis**:	That is a terrible price for ALO


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**RiseofFilth**:	SHAME


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**Rento247**:	SHAAAAAME


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**Rannepear**:	Small BTA order on LM if anyone can fulfill TY


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	My weekly TWITCH stream starts shortly. Topic: "Pass your Gas". Open discussion, Q&A on all things gas. Noob questions welcome. Come to https://www.twitch.tv/grandpacanuck to watch.

{Embed}
https://www.twitch.tv/grandpacanuck
GrandpaCanuck - Twitch
I'm an older Canadian guy who likes a large assortment of games.  I'm full of history and stories. Lets talk about WW2, the War of 1812, or Canadiana. I usually stream several times a week with content & times being diverse.
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/U_Pksj9DYdATuCSOXkHMzzq1ZJMdyVLnc1lQPvAKu5Y/https/static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/ea6add62-69cc-42cd-bf2d-be72d4083bd3-profile_image-300x300.png


[16-Oct-22 04:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Stream over. If you missed it look it up on my TWITCH homepage.


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**Bobemor**:	Great planetary effort on the Art Level 2 with many contributing parts and building time for the whole of the building. Should make a big impact on Engineer happiness!


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**Funnycreampie**:	this will take ages right?


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**RiseofFilth**:	This is a long term idle game @funny


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**Morrison554**:	anyone have a basic deck element for sale?


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**AGM-114**:	Where do you want to but them morrison?


[19-Oct-22 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AGM-114**:	*buy


[19-Oct-22 01:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	Looking for a few TRU; posted an ad for 6 TRU at CX rate.


[19-Oct-22 01:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	Thank you kindly for filling it!


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**Morrison554**:	got what i needed thanks though


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**Jules_Smeg**:	BUYING 1000 Aluminium Ore (ALO) @ 50,000.00 AIC for delivery within 10 days x2


[20-Oct-22 09:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	That is a terrible price for ALO


[20-Oct-22 09:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	I guess they are trying to do a pre-purchase, which can be advantageous in certain circumstances, but yeah that price is pretty awful.


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**Trijikon**:	Hello...coming back after a few years away...have to relearn everything.


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**Churaviis**:	Welcome back, it's better than ever


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**Trijikon**:	Back in the day I started figuring it out..I'm going in blind again


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**Churaviis**:	Figuring it out is half the fun


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**Trijikon**:	Ill throw a few things out and see what sticks haha


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**Trijikon**:	Is this the best chat for help or is there somehwere else?


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**Bobemor**:	Help chat or discord is best tbh


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**RNGzero**:	Shipping Deimos -> Benten station 1350t/200m available. Leaving in 8 hours


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Want another ship? Troubled by the amount of cash ya need to do it? Well come and offer me a trade of products for a GEN and save your hard earned coins. Now taking offers of bulk goods, semi products and ship parts.


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**Nirces**:	Apologies for being offline for a couple of days. all contracts now settled


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**Gilith**:	Looking for affordable upgrade packages for starter ship? We've got all you need! PM for details


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	My weekly TWITCH stream starts soon. Topic: Ship Building Bottlenecks. Discusion, Q&A, Noob questions welcome. Come join us at https://www.twitch.tv/grandpacanuck

{Embed}
https://www.twitch.tv/grandpacanuck
GrandpaCanuck - Twitch
I'm an older Canadian guy who likes a large assortment of games.  I'm full of history and stories. Lets talk about WW2, the War of 1812, or Canadiana. I usually stream several times a week with content & times being diverse.
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/U_Pksj9DYdATuCSOXkHMzzq1ZJMdyVLnc1lQPvAKu5Y/https/static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/ea6add62-69cc-42cd-bf2d-be72d4083bd3-profile_image-300x300.png


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Stream over. If you midded it you can see the vid here: https://www.twitch.tv/grandpacanuck

{Embed}
https://www.twitch.tv/grandpacanuck
GrandpaCanuck - Twitch
I'm an older Canadian guy who likes a large assortment of games.  I'm full of history and stories. Lets talk about WW2, the War of 1812, or Canadiana. I usually stream several times a week with content & times being diverse.
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/U_Pksj9DYdATuCSOXkHMzzq1ZJMdyVLnc1lQPvAKu5Y/https/static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/ea6add62-69cc-42cd-bf2d-be72d4083bd3-profile_image-300x300.png


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**Bobemor**:	That was a good discussion a couple days ago. Deimos has been able to be so lowly taxxed because of a wide range of donations. Personally I'd prefer if we could keep that up. It brings more people into looking after POPR, which is a large game mechanic that many don't interact with, as well as producing lower costs for all.


[21-Jan-23 04:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	But of course if that is no longer working then we should revist things. I can see though that one player has donated a large amount of UTS into the ART, so we're sorted for a little bit.


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**Bobemor**:	I would ask anyone with engineers to consider donating UTS (even a couple every so often) into the ART and being involved in POPI.


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**Yawnder**:	I personally would prefer higher taxes and be guilt-free, but that's just me.


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**LazySiege**:	whats popi?


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**Rento247**:	population infrastructure, I think


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**Anpache**:	POPI = Population Infrastructure


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**Yawnder**:	Not to be confused with Poppy, which is an awesome champion in LoL.


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**DraconisDomini**:	Nor to be confused with Popeye (the sailor man)


[21-Jan-23 07:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DraconisDomini**:	With the infrastructure upkeep, do they only need one of the upkeep items to keep functioning, or do they operate at reduced effectiveness if they lack one or more upkeep items (like with production and luxury goods)?


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**Rannepear**:	Yes


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**Rannepear**:	To both parts of your question.


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**Rannepear**:	They need one but work with reduced efficiency


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**DraconisDomini**:	So most of our infrastructure is really not operating very efficiently then


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**Rento247**:	ye, but filling all the popi needs isn't really cost effective either


[22-Jan-23 12:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rento247**:	some of required consumables are super pricy


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**Bobemor**:	A level 1 building with two inputs filled provides as much as a level 2 building with 1 input filled.


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**Bobemor**:	Since 1 input is cheaper than the others it's better to upgrade and just fill the cheapest input.


[22-Jan-23 04:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	With our ART it would be much better to use DEC to upgrade the building to level 3, so we can use more UTS than to put the DEC in as an input.


[22-Jan-23 04:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	(So if anyone has 14 DEC please feel free to donate it to the ART upgrade! :P)


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**ZhivGaming**:	Hey, if there's anyone coming back from HRT I have a shipment (140.49t/66.90m3) for 5k AIC coming back to Deimos. Ad is on HRT LM.


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**RollenUdan**:	How can i remove a request order for an item?


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**DraconisDomini**:	CXOS brings up your own orders, then you can delete it


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**Emperyan**:	Anybody got anything going to Griffonstone? I can take 500m/500t and would like to leave in the morning.


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**ZhivGaming**:	anyone have 100 rat to sell? I'm in a pinch and my supply ship is still a day out.


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**Sanggo**:	Do u ahve ad up?


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**ZhivGaming**:	no. I can right quick


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**ZhivGaming**:	@sanggo Okay it's up


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**ZhivGaming**:	I have an ad up on LM for 100 RAT @ 10000 out of urgency. Any takers?


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**ZhivGaming**:	thank you


[24-Jan-23 07:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yawnder**:	Fulfilled. I don't mind the payment, but if you want, you can sell me 100 RAT for 10k in the next few days.


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**Yawnder**:	Just wanted to help, not abuse :)


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**ZhivGaming**:	:)


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**ZhivGaming**:	as soon as my ship gets here :)


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**Yawnder**:	As you wish. I don't need it, it's up to you.


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**Yawnder**:	I have for 7.5d of RAT, and for 2.75d of C so I'll do a trip at some point anyways


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**Oddthingsarefun**:	what buildings do you reccomend i start with, this is my first time actually playing seriously


[25-Jan-23 10:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yawnder**:	Depends on your statup package tbh.


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**Yawnder**:	https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/legacy-tutorials/package-faction-planet/index.html

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[25-Jan-23 10:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yawnder**:	https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/current-tutorials/02-first-base/index.html

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[25-Jan-23 10:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	I’d recommend starting with Rigs on Promitor. The H2O price right now is crazy, and Promitor is a good planet you can’t get on without starting there.


[25-Jan-23 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Oddthingsarefun**:	im on deimos


[25-Jan-23 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	Yeah, but that is what I’d recommend.


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**Oddthingsarefun**:	the collector aint doing anything


[25-Jan-23 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	(Deimos is a decent planet, but most industries accessible to new players that are good on Deimos are going to get hit by the double whammy of high water prices and high carbon prices.)


[25-Jan-23 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Oddthingsarefun**:	pain


[25-Jan-23 10:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Oddthingsarefun**:	how


[25-Jan-23 10:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yawnder**:	By using the COLIQ command


[25-Jan-23 10:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Oddthingsarefun**:	then i just pick that planet


[25-Jan-23 10:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yawnder**:	Basically. You select the proper starting package and the planet.


[25-Jan-23 10:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Oddthingsarefun**:	which package


[25-Jan-23 10:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Oddthingsarefun**:	for h20


[25-Jan-23 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yawnder**:	I linked the packages earlier so take a look and see what is meant to have RIGs.


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**Afraib_Ollej**:	****DRONE DEFENSES - ONLINE - PEBKAC ERROR DETECTED****


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**Inforiel**:	The Pie is a Lye


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**Sanggo**:	In all the time I've been playing, this is the first toxic person I've ever met. I should unlock an achievement for that. :D


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**Inforiel**:	For some reason there's been a fair few that pop up over time at Umbra , must be because it's a chem-plant


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**Inforiel**:	The rimshot shall echo through space itself


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**Bobemor**:	in fairness deimos is the best planet so it makes sense it gets less hate than umbra


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**Yawnder**:	@Inforiel: I guess that's why it's like that in Moria / Montem too then!


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**Yarhor**:	To be fair to them, chemistry *is* a pain in the ass from every look I had at the production chains.


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**Yarhor**:	You better like input variety. :D


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**Yarhor**:	I'm sure it gets more complicated later, but so far metalurgy has been "give like aluminium, iron, and some other bits that stay constant across recipes, and I'll give you half the universe's needs"


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**abed**:	heading back from ANT within the next hour and got a decent amount of cargo space left over – post a local ad if you'd like something transported!


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**Triqueon**:	If anyone has a BTA or 2 to spare, I put up an LM ad well over market value because I forgot to plan ahead :)


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**EyangKodok**:	expensive


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**EyangKodok**:	tnx


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**Triqueon**:	Ty


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**Bobemor**:	Anyone producing DEC around here? Looking to aquire exactly 13 for the ART upgrade. Please reach out :)


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**Dover**:	Not here Bobemore, but I can spin some out for you on Griffonstone


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**Bobemor**:	@Dover what sort of lead time?


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**LazySiege**:	@bobemor i make a PM with you for decs


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**Dover**:	I actually had some on Proxion. Loaded on a ship and heading out to ANT this afternoon.


[31-Jan-23 01:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	That sounds great, I'm aiming to bring together things by next POPR (so next Tuesday).


[31-Jan-23 01:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	If you also have Engineers and Scientists and would like to contribute do reach out and very happy to coordinate (aware many of you already have which is great). I find it great to see people willing to engage and get involved. For many planets the 'do it for you' model of governorship works very well but trying to do the 'do it with you' model here which hopefully gets more people engaged :)


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**abed**:	taking an empty ship to Antares station CX soon – put up LM contract if you'd like something transported!


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**LargeFoot**:	If anyone needs something shipped to Antares CX please post ad- going there with empty ship


[02-Feb-23 01:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**ZhivGaming**:	one sec, I may have something(s)


[02-Feb-23 01:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**ZhivGaming**:	@LargeFoot 3 items on DEI LM going to ANT


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**Omegalphaa**:	I got some LM ads for ALO for a bit below CX price


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**Omegalphaa**:	if you wanna get them feel free


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**Sanggo**:	I'm leaving empty in a few hours for Harm (2k/2k) and ANT (3k/1k) at the same time. I'll take all orders at a reasonable price and a minimum load of 250kg or m3.


[04-Feb-23 11:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yawnder**:	What is reasonable for ANT?


[04-Feb-23 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Sanggo**:	For example, I pay $10 per t/m3 unit for short distances. So maybe 3k for 500m3/500t seems like a reasonable price to me.


[04-Feb-23 11:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yawnder**:	Alright. How much space left you have?


[04-Feb-23 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Sanggo**:	Im empty, so 3k/1k


[04-Feb-23 11:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yawnder**:	Two ads posted :-)


[04-Feb-23 11:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Sanggo**:	Srr, i missclicked termination


[04-Feb-23 11:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yawnder**:	If ever you need more time for whatever reason, I'm not in a hurry so I'll extend.


[04-Feb-23 11:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yawnder**:	Humn... I'll see how that works


[04-Feb-23 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yawnder**:	I don't see any termination requests


[04-Feb-23 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yawnder**:	Ah, there it is


[04-Feb-23 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yawnder**:	The contract isn't stated for terminaison though since you picked it up I think


[04-Feb-23 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Sanggo**:	3h till dock at ANT :)


[04-Feb-23 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yawnder**:	Alright! :-)


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**PiBoy314**:	21 shipping ads for 10,000 AIC posted going from ANT to Deimos. If you have free ships, it's a great way to make money!


[05-Feb-23 11:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	(On the ANT LM), the command is LM ANT


[05-Feb-23 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Sanggo**:	One of the few who aren't afraid to pay a little extra. :)


[05-Feb-23 11:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Yep, might as well. I've got the cash lying around and it gets people moving


[05-Feb-23 11:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	I'd also like to limit it to 4 contracts per person, if possible. More will be available as needed.


[05-Feb-23 12:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Sanggo**:	I'd take them all for that price :D , but I'll leave some for others :)


[05-Feb-23 12:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Feel free to take more once you've delivered a couple


[05-Feb-23 12:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Also, if I notice you taking a bunch, because I didn't communicate a limit, I'm going to block you from taking more. No hard feelings, and not meant in the way block is normally used. I'm just using the limited tools at hand to enforce that condition.


[05-Feb-23 12:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Eldritch companies singing their ever-charming jingles for the newcomers :) Such a beautiful ceremony.


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	No TWITCH STREAM today. I am feeling a bit off and don't think I can talk long to make a good stream. See you all next week.


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**abed**:	Hope you feel better Grandpa!!


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	The poison meant for kuzco.


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**Felmer**:	Forgot to bring some O. Looking for 40 @ 120/u. Ad at LM


[06-Feb-23 12:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Felmer**:	thanks


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**KuzcosPoison**:	the poison designed specifically to kill kuzco


[06-Feb-23 01:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**KuzcosPoison**:	kuzcos poison


[06-Feb-23 03:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	...that poison?


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**Bobemor**:	Thank you to all who donated to the ART upgrade. Especially @felmer, @lazysiege, and @McCowen for their large donations. You are the reason we can have such low taxes on Deimos for all :)


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**abed**:	👏


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**RollenUdan**:	How much and how fast does a collector product Oxygen?


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**Galaxyz1**:	4 every 11 hrs


[08-Feb-23 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Galaxyz1**:	8hrs and 24 mins*


[08-Feb-23 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Galaxyz1**:	make 4 oxygen and use it to buy carbon till u can produce carbon if you need carbon


[08-Feb-23 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RollenUdan**:	Thank you


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**Galaxyz1**:	ofc whats your prof


[08-Feb-23 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Galaxyz1**:	for metalurgy i started with the collector and farmstead, my apologies i use the farmstead to make 4 GNR and sell that for carbon not the oxygen, i use the oxygen to sell and to feed my smelter.


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**RollenUdan**:	I have an extractor and 2 smelters


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**Galaxyz1**:	be careful that carbon will get expensive if you dont have something to offset it


[08-Feb-23 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RollenUdan**:	oh I noticed lol


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**Galaxyz1**:	Ill be making carbon soon thankfully


[08-Feb-23 09:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DraconisDomini**:	On Deimos you are probably better off buying GRN, HCP or MAI and burning it in an incinerator to make carbon rather than having a farm to grow it yourself


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**Vicious_Duck**:	am I right in assuming there is not a ton to do in teh game right at the start?


[09-Feb-23 10:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Afraib_Ollej**:	yes


[09-Feb-23 10:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Afraib_Ollej**:	there is "more" in the sense of looking at your neighborhood and markets and planning what you want to do


[09-Feb-23 10:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Afraib_Ollej**:	but not in the sense of things to click with material result


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**Galaxyz1**:	spent 3 days planning 3 restarts but we are finnally on track


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**Galaxyz1**:	Where are the online guides


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**Gilith**:	@Galaxyz1 registered 541 days ago... ?


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**Rento247**:	he's been inactive so long that his company got deleted


[09-Feb-23 11:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rento247**:	same happened to me


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**Galaxyz1**:	That is weird


[09-Feb-23 11:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Galaxyz1**:	i dont know why it says that


[09-Feb-23 11:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Galaxyz1**:	I dont remember playing the game taht long ago


[09-Feb-23 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rento247**:	*shrug* recon you logged in and then peaced out ^_^'


[09-Feb-23 11:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Galaxyz1**:	Can I link this to my steam, steam created a new account for me but I dont want it


[09-Feb-23 11:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rento247**:	idk, you might need talk to devs about that


[09-Feb-23 12:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Rento247**:	think best way to do that is go to discord


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**Galaxyz1**:	Bet thank you


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**Rento247**:	np~


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**jelutz77**:	I remember playing that long :)


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**RiseofFilth**:	In the beginning…


[10-Feb-23 09:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	yes


[10-Feb-23 09:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	I remember the beginning :)


[10-Feb-23 09:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Space Quest


[10-Feb-23 09:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Where mushroom eats you


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**HanCholo**:	How do i go about 'provisioning' supplies for faction contracts?


[10-Feb-23 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Buy desired items - Bring it to where contract wants it


[10-Feb-23 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Click the "Fullfill" button under the CONT


[10-Feb-23 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**HanCholo**:	ahhh you need to buy it with your own cash?


[10-Feb-23 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Yes, those contracts are about obtaining the item from X-place so one has to do some research to figure out if it's worth the reward


[10-Feb-23 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**HanCholo**:	ahhhh i see, im really new so i didnt catch that. thanks!


[10-Feb-23 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Still a lot better than the 'Exploration' contracts, I've yet to see one that earns you anything.


[10-Feb-23 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	No worries at all, don't be afraid to use the global chat instead of local


[10-Feb-23 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	There's a lot more people paying attention to that one for all questions, new and old


[10-Feb-23 04:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**HanCholo**:	Much appreciated, everyones been super helpful


[10-Feb-23 04:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	No worries, have a good one :)


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**Dyncommon**:	Anyone know a ship builder? Looking for a medium cargo bay


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**ankiritch**:	do i now wait for 15h to complete aluminium production?


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**Rannepear**:	Yuppp!


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**Rannepear**:	Other things you can do but essentially yes


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Weekly TWITCH STREAM is about to start. Join us at www.twitch.tv/grandpacanuck Noob questions welcome Topic: An Introduction to Contract Valuation


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**martinc1194**:	LM looking for 1000ALO 68ea ALO.AI1


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	50 SFL needed here on Deimos. LM ad up above market price.


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	thanks


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**jelutz77**:	50 fuel tanks?


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**Bobemor**:	Will be running a FESIII. I've been monitoring the PIO situation closely and it had been doing just about tolerable, but now it's unemployed and that's not good. Looks like another SST is needed as well longer term, but the FESIII should save us for a while (the Settler overpopulation will be sad but neccessary)


[15-Feb-23 08:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LazySiege**:	Any way we can push Engs faster i got 18 new (from 180 missing) in 2 weeks...


[15-Feb-23 08:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LazySiege**:	still 180 missing sry


[15-Feb-23 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	Even with a Magic Money Tree I don't think we could get them to grow more than ~25% faster than they are already, unfortunately


[15-Feb-23 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Oh, Magic Money Tree!  I WANT ONE!


[15-Feb-23 09:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Well, education could maybe be better fulfilled. Its only 23.8%. Improvements to that and perhaps a education program (at the expense of another) could def give higher than 25% current education in rate, I think


[15-Feb-23 09:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	That is with magic money tree, though


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**Rannepear**:	Someone schooled me on education a lil while ago so that wouldnt work :D


[15-Feb-23 12:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	wow Lazy, that's really strange. Could you discord/COMs me some more information about when you built them. You really shouldn't have that few, your remaining demand is about half of the remaining Engineers demand though!


[15-Feb-23 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LazySiege**:	not rly last one was 80/2170 now 89/270


[15-Feb-23 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LazySiege**:	i give you some screens in discord


[15-Feb-23 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Felmer**:	i wonder how the round robin works in detail. If gone from 102/180 to 104/180 so only got 2 ENG. The last 3 PORP i got abysal amount of ENG despite growth of roughly 100 ENG each week


[15-Feb-23 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	I also added like 100 ENGs worth of demand. #notsorry


[15-Feb-23 02:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	GIMME AT AST


[15-Feb-23 02:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	GIMME DAT FET


[15-Feb-23 03:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Sanggo**:	Shipping ad for 10k posted. Delivery within 1 day. :)


[15-Feb-23 07:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Buying 8 COF.AI1 $3800, ad on market


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**Nuc_Temeron**:	filled, ty :)


[16-Feb-23 10:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Selling 10 Oxygen, 1060 AIC. On local.


[16-Feb-23 11:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Only if you're a smelter


[16-Feb-23 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	"pay to breathe"... brilliant idea


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**jelutz77**:	For that much?! I guess I should sell some too then


[16-Feb-23 01:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Poopdoot for prez


[16-Feb-23 01:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Poopdoot for pretzel


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[17-Feb-23 06:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	selling 10 Oxygen, 1060 AIC, on local.


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[17-Feb-23 06:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Buying 10 FEO Iron Ore, 450 AIC, on local


[17-Feb-23 06:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Selling 5 Oxygen, 750, on local


[17-Feb-23 08:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	In general people don't post in the chat for run-of-the-mill trades.  If you need to sell something quickly at a bargain price, or you urgently need to buy something at a premium, then sure; but for 'standard' prices, it gets quite noisy.


[17-Feb-23 09:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	my bad, ty Melon :)


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**LadySerenaKitty**:	4 of 4 paws, $CAT would do business with $M3L again


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**Kalinda**:	Posted an ad to buy 100 mcg for repairs


[20-Feb-23 12:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kalinda**:	Thanks!


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[20-Feb-23 01:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	So, I was trying to figure out how many Pioneers I'll get in a coupla days. I was looking at the population graph for a while just now, it appears there's only about 1000 unemployed Pioneers on all of Deimos. If the trend on the graph continues, 2000 Pioneers will upgrade to higher tier professions. So does that leave absolutely no Pioneers for my base? I need 200 more...


[20-Feb-23 01:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Discuss


[20-Feb-23 01:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	I agree something has to change. The percent unenployed has been dropping for weeks and at 0.6 wee could get to a shortfall.


[20-Feb-23 01:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yarhor**:	75% happiness is when the growth rate begins for a pop, right?


[20-Feb-23 01:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	70, if the wiki is right


[20-Feb-23 01:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	we are at 70.1%


[20-Feb-23 01:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yarhor**:	Right. Migration = growth, yes?


[20-Feb-23 01:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	My base is running at 47% efficiency so I am pretty desperate for my other half of the workforce to arrive


[20-Feb-23 01:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	But our gov may be also concirned with the lack of  pops--Tech and Engineers.


[20-Feb-23 01:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Yeah the planetary project is Engineer Immigration


[20-Feb-23 01:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yarhor**:	There aren't that many high-end engineer jobs for Metallurgists though.


[20-Feb-23 01:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
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[20-Feb-23 01:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yarhor**:	None at all for scientists.


[20-Feb-23 01:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	I think we are supposed to get new workers on 2-22.


[20-Feb-23 01:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	I am pretty new so let me know if I'm misinterpreting this.


[20-Feb-23 01:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	The gov just needs to do some action. Maybe one of the festivals rather than the rng growth for a week or two


[20-Feb-23 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	This is not a crisis, just a wrinkle.


[20-Feb-23 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Should we arrange a book burning or something?


[20-Feb-23 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	We need to dumb these guys down :D


[20-Feb-23 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Human sacrifice I think works best. Make all the others work harder.


[20-Feb-23 02:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Is there a mechanism for petitioning the govt for action?


[20-Feb-23 02:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	I could just send him a message.


[20-Feb-23 02:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Hmm I think I will.


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[20-Feb-23 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	We will continue to have problems with all tiers of workers until we get adequate safety upkeep


[20-Feb-23 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	You're referring to the 46.9%?


[20-Feb-23 03:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Correct, the low safety number also caps culture, comfort and education


[20-Feb-23 03:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	I'm going to be posting another round of shipping contracts from ANT to Deimos for 10,000 AIC. Please limit yourself to 2 contracts to leave room for others to take them. The materials will not auto-provision and I will request termination if you take more than 2 contracts.


[20-Feb-23 03:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	What should the Safety number be at?


[20-Feb-23 03:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	You said it's low, what's normal?


[20-Feb-23 03:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Probably 60-70% would be better


[20-Feb-23 03:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Although realistically the population could be sustained if the +20% happiness program was run instead


[20-Feb-23 03:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Is there anything that we can do, as site owners, to improve that? Or is this up to Gov Bobemor?


[20-Feb-23 03:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	You could donate to the SST. Either DW, OFF, or SUN. But as a newer player, it's probably best to let the governor handle it.


[20-Feb-23 03:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Yeah I'm on my first week.


[20-Feb-23 03:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Just so I can see, where do I find the SST?


[20-Feb-23 03:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	I have a calculator for this stuff, let me pull it up...


[20-Feb-23 03:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	POPI ZV-759c


[20-Feb-23 03:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	ty


[20-Feb-23 03:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qU3WE2vUlIlADhmnQzh7vsxhfqQG-1pf4miNzjRMC0k/edit#gid=931985839

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Population Calculator (v2.2)
Model Settings


Planet Name,Reports to Model,Model Type,Fixed at Last Point
Gibson,15,Pioneer Model,Best Fit
Settler Model,Best Fit
Put Input Reports First?,Prev Reports Used,Technician Model,Best Fit
20,Engineer Model,Best Fit
Scientist Model,Best Fit
Base Model,Best Fit
Input Reports,Model Rep...
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[20-Feb-23 03:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Here's a decent prediction of what next report might look like: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/851453976649531425/1077345712213344377/image.png

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[20-Feb-23 03:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	IMO a happiness program is the best option for bobemor to run next


[20-Feb-23 03:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	That is exactly what I was worried about.


[20-Feb-23 03:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	I need 239 more workers and there will be 0.


[20-Feb-23 03:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	You are likely to get some pioneers, maybe even fill out those 200


[20-Feb-23 03:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Since others will have 25% of their workforce redistributed


[20-Feb-23 03:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	I'd rather not have any of my workforce redistributed


[20-Feb-23 03:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	but 0.0% unemployment and 968 open jobs


[20-Feb-23 03:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Yes. So those who employ 1000 pioneers on the planet will likely be shortchanged next report


[20-Feb-23 03:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	And those with 500, maybe. And those with 200, not at all


[20-Feb-23 03:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	oof


[20-Feb-23 03:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	@Churaviis they won't be if the planet's demand is met


[20-Feb-23 03:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Is the planet's demand going to be met?


[20-Feb-23 03:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	No


[20-Feb-23 03:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Too darn dangerous on this rock


[20-Feb-23 03:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Providing the SST with OFF would eliminate the problem for pioneers.


[20-Feb-23 03:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	In 2 weeks it would look like this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/851453976649531425/1077347889749184532/image.png

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[20-Feb-23 03:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	orly


[20-Feb-23 03:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Not enough pens is the problem


[20-Feb-23 03:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Vs. this with no change to POPI upkeep (and no change to government programs) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/851453976649531425/1077348260076855386/image.png

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[20-Feb-23 03:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Pens can be quite deadly in the right hands


[20-Feb-23 03:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	OFF.AI1


[20-Feb-23 03:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	So we only need 210 of these Office Supplies that cost 109/ea


[20-Feb-23 03:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Huh. About 150k for 21 days supply


[20-Feb-23 03:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	The dumbest thing about this is that they upgraded the ART and are providing a bunch of expensive ART upkeep mats but it's all wasted because they won't provide some cheap SST upkeep mats


[20-Feb-23 04:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	That's a little under 23k AIC


[20-Feb-23 04:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	I'm new and broke and running at 47% haha so I can't really help. Anyone intersted in trying to group donate to this OFF SST?


[20-Feb-23 04:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Well, I've got extra cash so I've bought 2100 OFF


[20-Feb-23 04:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Anyone want to ship them? I'll set the rating at A for this ad...


[20-Feb-23 04:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Wonderful!


[20-Feb-23 04:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	If anyone is interested in Safety Uniforms, they are a bit more pricy.


[20-Feb-23 04:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	SUN.AI1


[20-Feb-23 04:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Only need 630 however


[20-Feb-23 04:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Eh, it'll sort itself out in 2 weeks. Can't make it go any faster


[20-Feb-23 04:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Since there's a delay on these things


[20-Feb-23 04:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Theoretically, it should be the governor using the tax money he gets from us to provide the upkeep


[20-Feb-23 04:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	OK that's a good point


[20-Feb-23 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	They mentioned in the last announcement that they are doing some promotions so we might see a large influx of new players soon


[20-Feb-23 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	They need to make it so that you can change font size in the Steam version.


[20-Feb-23 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	I tried to play there and all my windows had horizontal scroll bars and giant text that was unusable.


[20-Feb-23 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	That would bring in a lot more players I think.


[20-Feb-23 04:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Just use a real browser


[20-Feb-23 04:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Steam is just there to funnel people to the browser version


[20-Feb-23 04:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Can't use extensions on Steam either


[20-Feb-23 04:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Yeah I play in Firefox and it's great. But I do prefer Steam for gaming generally and if it worked perfectly there I would probably prefer it


[20-Feb-23 04:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	But it doesn't so I don't :D


[20-Feb-23 05:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Wait.. Extensions?


[20-Feb-23 05:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	For Prun?


[20-Feb-23 05:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	What is that


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**PiBoy314**:	https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/pmmg-extended/cadmmgnpgphgndeeoldoohkcbjkohigg

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PMMG Extended
Improve and tweak the interface elements of PrUn website
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[20-Feb-23 09:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	And FIO


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**AnotherOneAnother**:	Hi all! I'm running the 2nd PU lottery and looking for people who'd like to participate to support the community and maybe win some money! Jackpot is at least 3m! See https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/pu-player-lottery-2/5556 for details (tickets are 10k NCC each, so shoot me a cont and I'll upgrade the Google sheet!)

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PU Player Lottery #2
Welcome!  Tickets are available for the second PU player-Run Lottery. You can buy as many tickets as you like for 10,000 NCC each by sending a contract to AnotherOneAnother (company code AFI). All purchases are published on this Google sheet . The current jackpot is:   3,050,000   (with 3 million of that coming from charitable donations!)  On Sa...
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[21-Feb-23 09:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
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**Rannepear**:	Your username makes me think of a song. I'll Take Another by The Main Squeeze


[21-Feb-23 12:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Just to reiterate what I'd said a few days ago FESIII has been queued up for a few days and will hit so the PIO happiness will be around 90%


[21-Feb-23 12:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Festivities aren't going to prevent safety from capping higher tiers


[21-Feb-23 12:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Thank you for addressing the Pioneer shortage, Bobemor :).


[21-Feb-23 12:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	It's not capping it substantially, this is partly because the ARTs have been somewhat over filled, but yes we would  likely benefit from an additional SST


[21-Feb-23 12:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	If the ART was overfilled the we wouldn't have unhappy techs/engineers when unemployment for them is zero and the unfilled jobs keep piling up


[21-Feb-23 12:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	FESIII will bump TEC/ENG happiness by 20% too


[21-Feb-23 12:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Happiness is also affected by previous weeks


[21-Feb-23 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	FESIII is just a straight buff AFAIK


[21-Feb-23 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	No?


[21-Feb-23 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	I guess we'll see


[21-Feb-23 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Yes it is


[21-Feb-23 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	So we should get TEC/ENG happiness of 75% this week


[21-Feb-23 12:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Yep


[21-Feb-23 12:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	Woot :)


[21-Feb-23 12:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	And SET happiness should only go to 60%, so no unneeded immigration there


[21-Feb-23 12:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Scientists may get close but think they'll likely be just shy of 75%


[21-Feb-23 01:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	If we kept the workers happy through upkeep the we could do an immigration or education program instead


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**Rannepear**:	Should increase taxes....have more for upkeep :D


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**LadySerenaKitty**:	mew mew!


[21-Feb-23 09:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LadySerenaKitty**:	We've been trying to reach you concerning your vehicle's extended warranty. You should have received a notice in the mail about your spaceship's extended warranty eligibility.


[21-Feb-23 09:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Write on envelope "Return to sender. Address unknown." Put letter in outbound mail.


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**Nuc_Temeron**:	Yay I got all my Pioneers!!


[22-Feb-23 06:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Festivities did it, thank you Gov


[22-Feb-23 06:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	Holy smokes that's a lot of new PIOs!


[22-Feb-23 07:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Build the wall! Build the wall! All these new PIOs are taking our jobs! Crime is through the roof! The governor needs to DO something.


[22-Feb-23 07:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Huh? I see 2k open PIO jobs


[22-Feb-23 07:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rento247**:	employment is calculated before the migration


[22-Feb-23 07:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	^


[22-Feb-23 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Wow that's a lot of migrants


[22-Feb-23 09:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yarhor**:	Engineers had a 70%+ happiness but didn't receive any migration.


[22-Feb-23 09:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yarhor**:	How does that work?


[22-Feb-23 09:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Tech, Engineer and Scientist don't immigrate in, they only educate up from previous tiers


[22-Feb-23 09:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Without an immigration program, at least


[22-Feb-23 09:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yarhor**:	Makes sense, but technicians do seem to have migration in though?


[22-Feb-23 09:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yarhor**:	And last migration thing was engineer-related, right?


[22-Feb-23 09:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	yup, TECs are the highest tier that can immigrate


[22-Feb-23 09:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	which is weird really, you'd expect them to be _more_ mobile than basically-indentured PIOs :shrug:


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[22-Feb-23 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	@Yarhor, the migration of ENG last time was due to a program the Gov can run (all tiers can run this program) but they do not naturally migrate based on happiness like PIO/SET/TEC do.


[22-Feb-23 10:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yarhor**:	How is the size of the migration governed?


[22-Feb-23 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Based on happiness of the specific tier. Anything over 70% happiness boosts migration up to a maximum of 30% total population (at 100% happiness)


[22-Feb-23 11:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yarhor**:	Linear scaling?


[22-Feb-23 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Yes but happiness is the trickier aspect and is effected by many variables.


[22-Feb-23 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	But yeah, if I have 100 PIOs and they are 100% happy, 30 will migrate on the next report


[22-Feb-23 12:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	That is a lot of PIOs, does look like the FES was actually unneccessary strictly speaking. But ah well, we got lots of Techs which is good


[22-Feb-23 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LazySiege**:	i got 13 new eng...


[22-Feb-23 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LazySiege**:	so 102/270


[22-Feb-23 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LazySiege**:	i dont understand how that works i have around half the missing engs but only get 15% of the new ones


[22-Feb-23 02:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Rannepear**:	Seems fucked up


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**Felmer**:	could be in line with round robin placement. Got 10 ENG and now 114/180. Some more people with ENG needs and everyone got a small part of the  94.


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[23-Feb-23 07:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AnotherOneAnother**:	Hi all! I'm running the 2nd PU lottery and looking for people who'd like to participate to support the community and maybe win some money! Jackpot currently *6.5~ million*! See https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/pu-player-lottery-2/5556 for details (tickets are 10k NCC each, so shoot me a cont and I'll upgrade the Google sheet!)

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PU Player Lottery #2
Welcome!  Tickets are available for the second PU player-Run Lottery. You can buy as many tickets as you like for 10,000 NCC each by sending a contract to AnotherOneAnother (company code AFI). All purchases are published on this Google sheet . The current jackpot is:   3,650,000   (with 3 million of that coming from charitable donations!)  On Sa...
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**PiBoy314**:	20 shipping ads posted going from ANT to Deimos for 10,000 AIC! Please limit yourself to 2 contracts.


[23-Feb-23 04:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Ads replenished.


[23-Feb-23 04:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	The command to view the market is LM ANT


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**Galaxyz1**:	O in local market


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**AnotherOneAnother**:	Lottery jackpot now 18.5m - https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/pu-player-lottery-2/5556

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PU Player Lottery #2
Welcome!  Tickets are available for the second PU player-Run Lottery. You can buy as many tickets as you like for 10,000 NCC each by sending a contract to AnotherOneAnother (company code AFI). All purchases are published on this Google sheet . The current jackpot is:   17,430,000   (with 3 million of that coming from charitable donations!)  On S...
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[24-Feb-23 08:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	20 more shipping ads posted going ANT to Deimos! Please limit yourself to 2 per person.


[24-Feb-23 08:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	LM ANT


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**AnotherOneAnother**:	Jackpot now over 20m! https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/pu-player-lottery-2/5556

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PU Player Lottery #2
Welcome!  Tickets are available for the second PU player-Run Lottery. You can buy as many tickets as you like for 10,000 NCC each by sending a contract to AnotherOneAnother (company code AFI). All purchases are published on this Google sheet . The current jackpot is:   20,500,000   (with 3 million of that coming from charitable donations!)  On S...
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[24-Feb-23 06:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	STOP SPAMMING THE PLANETARY CHAT WITH YOUR STUPID LOTTERY ADS


[24-Feb-23 06:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Galaxyz1**:	please


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**Rannepear**:	Can't you just mute someone?


[25-Feb-23 07:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Afraib_Ollej**:	definitely


[25-Feb-23 07:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Afraib_Ollej**:	oh that was rhetorical


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**Galaxyz1**:	oh thats a great idea.


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**Yawnder**:	I just wish there was a way to say "Don't write that there is a message from a blocked person there"


[26-Feb-23 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yawnder**:	An even better, with some (advanced AI), suppress any conversation related to that person :-P


[26-Feb-23 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LadySerenaKitty**:	too bad we don't get 3d renderings of our bases, I'd have a giant pawprint on mine


[26-Feb-23 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	There's nothing stopping you from rendering your base in 3d


[26-Feb-23 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yawnder**:	(Aside from skill maybe? For me anyways.)


[26-Feb-23 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Skills can be acquired


[26-Feb-23 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LadySerenaKitty**:	skill, time, and the machine I'd do it on isn't even set up at the moment


[26-Feb-23 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LadySerenaKitty**:	I'd have to move the O2 to my desk and set it up before I can use it


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**PiBoy314**:	Does anyone have 5 BDE and 5 MCG available? I'll pay a premium for it if you send me a contract.


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**LadySerenaKitty**:	I'm gonna need to hire someone to come into my base and clean out all the fur I've been shedding.


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**Rannepear**:	>.>


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	<.<


[28-Feb-23 08:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rento247**:	-_-


[28-Feb-23 08:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Rento247**:	(what exactly are we staring at?)


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**LadySerenaKitty**:	=^_^=


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**SirBraddock**:	*_*


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	{*.*}


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**Felmer**:	(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻


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**LadySerenaKitty**:	┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	{-.*}


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**Inforiel**:	\--\ -.- /--/


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**Knarfaction**:	(~_~)


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**Gilith**:	.oO(WTF?)


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**Afraib_Ollej**:	🐕


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**ihelp**:	someone got ALO in stock i could buy ?


[01-Mar-23 07:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Galaxyz1**:	How much are ya willing to pay


[01-Mar-23 07:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Galaxyz1**:	and how much


[01-Mar-23 07:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**ihelp**:	i would say about 75/u is a good Price and up to 1000k


[01-Mar-23 07:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**ihelp**:	*1000 not 1000k xD


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**AnotherOneAnother**:	New lottery! https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/pu-player-lottery-3-ncc/5589

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PU Player Lottery #3 [NCC]
Welcome!  We’ve had some success as a community with the last 2 lotteries and momentum is definitely building! Please continue to participate and tell your friends!  Tickets are available for the second PU player-Run Lottery. You can buy as many tickets as you like for 10,000 NCC each by sending a contract to AnotherOneAnother (company code AFI)...
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**Comrade_Romanov**:	Emergency FTL buy order put up on LM. Anyone can fill it? Ship stranded at the moment.


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**Comrade_Romanov**:	Filled, thank you.


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**LadySerenaKitty**:	sorry Deimosians, I gotta do this


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**LadySerenaKitty**:	*detonates her cat fur bomb*


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**Bobemor**:	o.o


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**LadySerenaKitty**:	don't worry, the fur will clear in about 3-4 days


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**Rannepear**:	"Furry terrorist group, Feline Federation, attacks again... more this evening!"


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**Galaxyz1**:	*turns fur into clothes for homeless, Diemosians are feeling warm +10 comfort level*


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**Comrade_Romanov**:	Shipping request up on LM. Deimos -> Nike


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**Ayumi08**:	what the


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**yngwette**:	by "Pick up 8 / 8 units of Basic Structural Elements" does the tutorial contract mean to use the exchange? or is it provided to me somewhere?


[11-Mar-23 10:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	oh i see, i need my production order to finish to advance the contract


[11-Mar-23 10:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	If you are reffering to a faction contract - You need to either produce or buy the desired items


[11-Mar-23 10:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Not sure how the tutorial looks these days as it has been revamped since I started


[11-Mar-23 10:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	it's step 2 of a contract. so i guess the game will tell me more then


[11-Mar-23 10:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Did you try the game ages ago btw? Your user name says it's 322 days old


[11-Mar-23 10:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Also - For question in general, I'd suggest clicking "COM" and finding the global chat instead of local


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**yngwette**:	i tried to try it, but it didn't run on my machine


[11-Mar-23 10:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	so it's my first day


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**Inforiel**:	Lots more people in the global chat so faster response times :)


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**Inforiel**:	I'm one of few who keep all local on alert


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**yngwette**:	i see.  thanks


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**Inforiel**:	No worries, good luck and have fun


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**yngwette**:	:)


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**Galaxyz1**:	Need 40 MCG @ LM


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**Galaxyz1**:	Filled, Ty


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	LM ad up for 2 BSE. Please fill, Thanks


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	Got em, thanks again


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**Nuc_Temeron**:	Oops, I ran out of Carbon. Buying 25 for 11250 (450/u) on LM. Help!


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**Churaviis**:	Most people with an urgent need will offer more than the cx price so that nobody has to lose money in order to help them out


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**Michionlion**:	running an empty ship ANT->Deimos if anyone wants shipping


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**Churaviis**:	Shipping ad posted on Deimos LM


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**peripheralvision**:	Hey folks, I'm somewhat new to this, but have a functional smelting base up and have balanced my production chain fairly well. I'm thinking to branch out into DW and RAT manufacturing to cut down on my labor cost per unit produced, but looks like I can only product ~11 H2O per day from the rig on Deimos. Question: Does the amount of a resource produced by an extractor building (rig, extractor, collector) relate to the available concentrations of the resource on the planet?


[17-Mar-23 03:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gl4ucon**:	yes it does


[17-Mar-23 03:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	Gotcha, so it would make sense to have a base on a water-rich world to produce organics, and then just ship them around between bases. Is my understanding correct?


[17-Mar-23 03:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	Also, thanks for responding!


[17-Mar-23 03:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gl4ucon**:	well it depends on what you want to do


[17-Mar-23 03:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gl4ucon**:	for example it makes little sense in expanding if you don't have a base that is bigger than 300


[17-Mar-23 03:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gl4ucon**:	also the water rich planets are either far away or just very expensive


[17-Mar-23 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	Ok, that makes sense. I was hoping to do two things: 1, diversify my production chain so I'm not married to the price of AL, and 2, cut down on my labor cost so I get to keep more of those tasty profits from smelting


[17-Mar-23 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gl4ucon**:	what you could do is procude b-fabs ( BBH, BSE)


[17-Mar-23 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gl4ucon**:	what would make sense is to buy the hcp and inc them into c


[17-Mar-23 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	Ah, and just bypass growing HCP entirely.


[17-Mar-23 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gl4ucon**:	you could that instead of expanding


[17-Mar-23 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gl4ucon**:	since expanding for a new player is expensive


[17-Mar-23 03:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	Makes a fair amount of sense. My spreadsheet calculations show I *could* do it, but the rig means I'm loosing money on albor costs.


[17-Mar-23 03:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	I think I'll go with producing b-parts, that's great advice. Thanks for being so helpful!


[17-Mar-23 03:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	Step 1: Make incinerator


[17-Mar-23 03:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gl4ucon**:	what i would propose is that you start producing BBH or BSE (and you buy LST)


[17-Mar-23 03:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gl4ucon**:	bbh cost rb 2k it takes2 al and 1 lst (100aic) and 6h in a pp2


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**Gl4ucon**:	and just start with pio only


[17-Mar-23 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	gonna stick to pp1 right now, I think. Not ready to start supporting settlers yet, I don't think.


[17-Mar-23 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gl4ucon**:	the issue with pp1 is that fe is expensive, and your pp2 will prod at 50% without settlers


[17-Mar-23 03:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gl4ucon**:	so you make a lot more profit that way


[17-Mar-23 03:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	Ah, so it will still work without settlers. I thought they were required.


[17-Mar-23 03:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gl4ucon**:	nope they take (your workforce / totoal required)


[17-Mar-23 03:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	So in theory, since I produce AL, it's cheaper for me to go PP2, but without settlers, and buy in the LST


[17-Mar-23 03:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gl4ucon**:	yes and then asap build a settler hab


[17-Mar-23 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gl4ucon**:	but didn't you get 40k


[17-Mar-23 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	Gotcha. Ok! Thanks for all your help, really appreciate the knowledge share :)


[17-Mar-23 03:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	Oh, yea I got 45k as part of the package. Spent most of it getting a self-sufficient extractor (ALO), collector (O), smelter x2 (AL) up and running. Didn't realize the Rig wouldn't produce enough H2O, so I dumped a bunch of cash into that, but I deconstructed it and will reuse the parts in other projects.


[17-Mar-23 03:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	I have a net positive cashflow by about ~3900 from AL production line, provided it runs at 100%. Which it should according to my spreadsheet lol


[17-Mar-23 04:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gl4ucon**:	well the other thing you dont need a collector you overproduce o


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**peripheralvision**:	Also true, but that reduces my overhead on smelting, and I just sell the extra O to cover the cost of labor on the Collector. Unless my math is wrong, seems to be paying for itself, and then some.


[17-Mar-23 08:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	I produces ~14 a day, and I only use ~3.8. So yea, definitely overproducing.


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**RescueOne**:	Just started and am absolutely lost lol


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**RescueOne**:	How do I get people?


[18-Mar-23 12:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gl4ucon**:	well you need to build pioneer habs


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**Comrade_Romanov**:	Shipping contracts from Deimos to Nike - posted.


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**peripheralvision**:	@RescueOne the devs put out a pretty good YouTube series with mini-tutorials on how to get started with the different professions. I found it really helpful!


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**RescueOne**:	Thank you all! :) I figured it out that night after a little bit of a learning curve lol


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**peripheralvision**:	@RescueOne Sure thing! I'm new to this too, but loving the "hands-off" gameplay to start. I'm sure it gets more complicated to manage everything as production lines get more complicated, but that sounds like a fun problem to have :)


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**Gilith**:	I forgot to bring fuel for a new ship... please fill my small FF and SF orders on LM


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**Gilith**:	ty


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**Rento247**:	np~


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**LadySerenaKitty**:	I'm trying to unload some ALO


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**Galaxyz1**:	just put a measly ad up for 13 basic rations if anyone could help id be grateful just need to hold em over unil my ship gets back


[20-Mar-23 04:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Galaxyz1**:	ty very much


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**Neth_Havoc**:	you are welcome :)


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**Wangster6**:	so... i just started the game and my first production item is going to take 15 hours lol


[21-Mar-23 10:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wangster6**:	what do I even do now


[21-Mar-23 10:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**bojidar008**:	use ships to haul stuff..make some money while wait


[21-Mar-23 10:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wangster6**:	how lol i have no idea what is going on


[21-Mar-23 10:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Knarfaction**:	build spreadsheets and plan your first expansuion chat with ppl maybe join a corp


[21-Mar-23 10:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wangster6**:	geez i dont even know how to buy or sell stuff, much how to haul stuff using ships or anything lol. is there a tutorial anywhere?


[21-Mar-23 10:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Knarfaction**:	there is a Help section in the top right of your screen you can find the tutorial over there


[21-Mar-23 12:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Syqel**:	Definitely watch the tutorials while you wait - Also Read the WIKI, FAQs, blogs, click the question marks, find the discord channels and read, read, read - And search Google and Youtube and read/warch some more - The more you learn the better off you'll be and don't hesitate to ask questions


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**Dumadunala**:	plus some of the things game will "force" you to learn by giving contracts to fullfill


[22-Mar-23 04:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Deimos -> Katoa leaving in 4 hours or when full. 2300  t / 760  m3 free


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**Sanggo**:	Can someone please sell me 11x BDE? Thanks


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**Bobemor**:	have you been sorted @sanggo?


[02-Apr-23 03:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Sanggo**:	Yep :) thank you


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**Galaxyz1**:	could anyone spare 10units carbon @ LM


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**Neth_Havoc**:	done


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**Galaxyz1**:	Thank you very much!


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**Neth_Havoc**:	np, you are welcome! :)


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**peripheralvision**:	Question. What's a good second base location after Deimos? I'm very early in the game, so too early to establish, but I find it interesting to start thinking about it and planning for the future. I was thinking Antares II E for Iron and SF production. Alternatively, I could go farming to start producing the basic consumables and reduce my production costs. Not sure which way to go, so I'm looking for some advice.


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**valdin98**:	Nike to turn your AL into Bfabs is a popular choice


[02-Apr-23 07:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	So I'm currently turning Aluminum into bfabs here on Deimos. I'm guessing Nike has LST, which makes it a better spot to do it.


[02-Apr-23 07:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	That said, i'm mostly focused on L-fabs (LBH's) which requires PE. It's cheap, light, and I just truck it in from ANT.


[02-Apr-23 07:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pateirn**:	Yeah, I am just trying to get a little of everything here. I did look at Nike for my second base too. Better to do bfab production somewhere else though?


[02-Apr-23 07:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pateirn**:	And max out ore production and smelting here?


[02-Apr-23 07:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	I mean, why not both? At least for now, right? You can always tear down your PP2's later and move them to a different base. I'm working on smelter 3 right now, which can easily support 2xPP2's and I'm not even close to running out of space yet.


[02-Apr-23 08:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Nuc_Temeron**:	Be sure to look at the Chamber of Global Commerce bonus for what you should build where. On Deimos it's Metallurgy (smelting AL). On Nike it's Construction (making fabs)


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**Pateirn**:	Oooh awesome. Thanks for the tip!  And fair game peripheral


[02-Apr-23 08:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**peripheralvision**:	Ah, that's a very good point. I think I can still generate more income by making a few fabs here on Deimos, but will plan to move manufacturing to Nike in the future, then.


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**peripheralvision**:	Thanks for the tip!


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**Squidform**:	+1 for the tips from a lurking noob


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**Draca**:	Hello all. Question - Under HQ, I see a line "Efficiency gains: Electronics 5.0%", and would jump to 8.3% if I upgrade my HQ. Where does this type of bonus come from, and can I change it? I started as a metallurgist, and would prefer something more in line with that :)


[03-Apr-23 12:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	The electronics bonus comes from having your HQ in Antares space. You would need to have a base in a different faction to change your faction bonus.


[03-Apr-23 12:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Draca**:	Ah, OK, so it's a faction-level bonus, understood. Thank you! Is this listed somewhere, so I can compare them? I don't remember seeing it during company creation.


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**Draca**:	Found it in the wiki. Thanks :)


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**jelutz77**:	The additional percentage comes from having an unused HQ upgrade; more unused HQ upgrades gives you more of a bonus from HQ.


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**Bobemor**:	NEO faction (Montem way) gives a bonus to metallurgy and is pretty useful


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**Comrade_Romanov**:	Shipping contracts to NIKE posted


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**Trolm**:	What a joke.


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**Sanggo**:	buying ALO 125/pcs


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**RNGzero**:	yeah, ALO has been quite high.. ALO.NC1


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**berdo77**:	holy mother of god why does it take literal hours to manufacter polyethylene.


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**berdo77**:	i just started this game and i have nothing else to do


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**RNGzero**:	Hey there, this is a slow(er) paced game


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**Churaviis**:	This is a game you play while playing other games


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**berdo77**:	oh


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**Churaviis**:	It picks up later on, depending on how precisely you enjoy planning things out


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**berdo77**:	i had the wrong assumptions then. i thought i did something horribly wrong even though i followed the tutorial


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**berdo77**:	my b


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**RNGzero**:	pure economics, lots of logistics and trading


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**RNGzero**:	all good!


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**RNGzero**:	the tutorials are helpful, but if you have questions the help channel is great


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**Andronicus**:	Slow, but wonderfully relaxing :)


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**HamletsFather**:	I thought so, too, but then I miscalculated some consumption and some shipping orders and it got quite exciting. :D


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**ModAddict**:	the first time you realise you have to buy new fuel because you're running low it cuts into your budget quite a bit as well. Snuck up on me


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**ModAddict**:	luckily getting a lot of contracts with cash + fuel reward now that are super duper efficient


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**Galaxyz1**:	SELLING 200 Shielded Connectors (BGC) @ 120,000.00 AIC for collection within 2 days


[09-Apr-23 09:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	You'll have better luck if you take it to the CX, BGC are only used in electronics and manufacturing industries and not in super large quantities like that


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**Galaxyz1**:	Someone has purchased it, thank you for your feedback though


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**melon164**:	200 BGC is not a large quantity


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**Rionan**:	Good Morning Deimos


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**RNGzero**:	Hey there


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**Sanggo**:	I'm an idiot. Does anyone have a 3x SSC for sale by any chance?


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**melon164**:	Yes


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**melon164**:	Post an ad


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**Sanggo**:	Up


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**Sanggo**:	Thank you


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**melon164**:	No problem :-)


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**Higgsy**:	What's the shipping rate for 10 t / 10m^3 in AIC from ANT to Nike? The Nike global site owners chat is dead so I figure I'd ask in here.


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**Hernanduer**:	depends how quickly you need it - yours is small so it can be a tag along to smaller orders, so I'd expect something like 100-300AIC


[11-Apr-23 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	but if you want dedicated, quicker delivery then maybe 1k


[11-Apr-23 12:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Higgsy**:	Thanks!


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**Rannepear**:	I do 6*jump*t/m3 for loads on common transport lanes and minimum 250 credits. I never have trouble having my shipments moved


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**Rannepear**:	For shitty routes I do a premium


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**DraconisDomini**:	I usually pay 2000 for 250t, but it would be more per ton for a small load


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**DraconisDomini**:	To Nike I should specify


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**Kalinda**:	Looking for some FF. Ad posted on LM.


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**Galaxyz1**:	bgc @ lm for 2 more days


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**Comrade_Romanov**:	Shipping contracts to Nike are up


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**Emperyan**:	Got an "emergency" flux order up at a premium over the CX


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**Emperyan**:	Filled, thanks!


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**LargeFoot**:	cxos


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**LargeFoot**:	oops my bad, didnt mean that one xD


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**IndiDevJames**:	so this is local chat for people on Deimos?


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**pounder**:	yes


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**IndiDevJames**:	is there any one that produces water and food rations


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**Exeler**:	Probably not on Deimos


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**IndiDevJames**:	do you know what places nearby thatproduce these products


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**Exeler**:	Harmonia is an agriculture planet so there's probably some food stuff going on over there. I think Norwick has a lot food processing going on


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**Exeler**:	The CX also isn't far from Deimos, so it's easy to grab basic supplies from there. Even if they are a bit expensive sometimes


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**IndiDevJames**:	nice thanks


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**pogg**:	Is player trading possible without a paid license?


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**Rento247**:	only at cxl


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**Rento247**:	direct trading, nah


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**Cloutist**:	test


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**jelutz77**:	don't be testy


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**Cloutist**:	how many people play this game


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**HamletsFather**:	hard to say exactly, but if you look at the number on the right hand bottom corner, there are about 370 online right now


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**pogg**:	is it possible to get more ships in the fleet as a free license player?


[30-Apr-23 02:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Negative, you need PRO to use the shipyard at all


[30-Apr-23 02:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	And if you revert from PRO you'll only be able to fly 2 ships at a time


[30-Apr-23 02:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	However, as a free license you'll also be limited to 5 bases which 2 ships can handle.


[30-Apr-23 02:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Sorry, 5 HQ levels, that's actually 6 permits / bases


[30-Apr-23 02:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pogg**:	ok thank you


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**Dragon14**:	hmmm


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	hmmm?


[30-Apr-23 07:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dragon14**:	what should i do


[30-Apr-23 07:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	plan build and grow your empire


[30-Apr-23 07:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dragon14**:	how can get more materials


[30-Apr-23 07:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dragon14**:	i*


[30-Apr-23 07:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	sell extra and buy what you need from the CX at Antarer Station


[30-Apr-23 07:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	travel slow. Fuel cost a good amount. Dont waste it


[30-Apr-23 07:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Grandpa_Canuck**:	this is a very slow gave the first couple of weeks


[30-Apr-23 08:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
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[30-Apr-23 10:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Cloutist**:	how can i view info about a ticker


[30-Apr-23 10:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Cloutist**:	like how to craft it etc


[30-Apr-23 10:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Cloutist**:	also i just bought a bunch of stuff, where did it go?


[30-Apr-23 10:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Cloutist**:	it didnt go into my ship


[30-Apr-23 10:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Open a new buffer and type MAT then the ticker


[30-Apr-23 10:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Look in your contracts, you probably didn't have enough space for what you bought


[30-Apr-23 10:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Be sure to follow the starting quests and search the tutorial for any other questions first as it has all the basics


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[01-May-23 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Im lost af. Time to reas and ser tutorials


[01-May-23 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	tutorials are great but i'd also recommend asking questions in the help channel in discord if you have further questions


[01-May-23 03:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I hope its normal to be as lost as im now


[01-May-23 03:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**HamletsFather**:	yes, this game is quite overwhelimg in the beginning.


[01-May-23 03:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**HamletsFather**:	as Bobemor already said, you should watch some tutorials on youtube, there are offical and also some by players.


[01-May-23 03:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**HamletsFather**:	And ask awy here, in the global chat and/or the discord.


[01-May-23 03:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**HamletsFather**:	*away


[01-May-23 03:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Thanks a lot! Ill start with tutorials


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**Kiuhek**:	Is there a way to remove orders from queue?


[02-May-23 01:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**HamletsFather**:	klick on "details" than cancel


[02-May-23 01:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Wow, im a idiot. It was easy hahah


[02-May-23 01:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	from the side bar: Base (BS) -> Production -> Details


[02-May-23 01:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	There is so much info around here that im just confused. It takes time :D  Thanks a lot


[02-May-23 01:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	But i like that the game is "chill" and slow


[02-May-23 01:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	that is why I enjoy it as well... can get classes and work done while still playing


[02-May-23 01:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Yeah, im at work right now


[02-May-23 01:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**HamletsFather**:	It took me about 3 weeks into the game to realize that I don't have to open up every CX to compare prices. I just open a buffer with CXM and the MAT Ticker and there are all prices on the CXs. :D - there is much to find out in this game and you have time to do so.


[02-May-23 01:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	plus, combat isn't a thing.... so my base doesn't get tea-bagged from obit while I'm away


[02-May-23 01:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Yeah, there is no rush


[02-May-23 01:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I got "illegal command" btw when i try to open a buffer with CXM


[02-May-23 01:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	typically... global or help are better channels are only players with bases on Deimos can see this


[02-May-23 01:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	CXM plus a material code such as INS


[02-May-23 01:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**HamletsFather**:	type in like "CXM OVE" or "CXM AL"


[02-May-23 01:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I see, im free user (testing the game first) so its restricted for me


[02-May-23 01:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	can still make something similar in spreadsheets with FIO API


[02-May-23 01:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Im sorry about my english btw. Ive 3 languages in my head and its quite difficult at times


[02-May-23 01:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I can barely write in one language and your english is great!


[02-May-23 01:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Thanks :)


[02-May-23 01:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I've maintained my 1 mistake per massage policy for a long while


[02-May-23 01:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I can understand english waaaaaaaaaaay better that i can write it


[02-May-23 01:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I mix it with my norwegian all the time


[02-May-23 01:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**HamletsFather**:	I struggle all the time with writing according to the other languages rules I learnd ahead of english when writing, so I very much can relate :D


[02-May-23 01:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Its good to know im not alone hahah


[02-May-23 01:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**HamletsFather**:	🤝


[02-May-23 01:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Spanish, Norwegian and English is not a good combo in just one head


[02-May-23 01:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	still, take the game at your own pace. There is quite a lot going on even when it doesn't seem like it


[02-May-23 01:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Yeah its seems so. Im just reading the handbook at work right now


[02-May-23 01:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	But if ive understood so i need to complete the extractor order to be able to complete the smelter one


[02-May-23 01:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**HamletsFather**:	yeah timing and / or building in buffers in your production correctly is a big part of the game.


[02-May-23 01:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I like it. And what about professions? Are you "stuck" with the profession you choose in the start?


[02-May-23 02:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	profession only matter for the first 30-45 days


[02-May-23 02:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I see, thanks a lot :)


[02-May-23 02:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	after that... many players build into different setups


[02-May-23 02:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	for new players, I always suggest asking as many questions as you can


[02-May-23 02:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Im trying, but i need to see/read tutorials first to be able to ask hahah


[02-May-23 02:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	But my extractor and smelter are running so thats it for now. Im just clicking here and there to familiarize myself with the HUD


[02-May-23 02:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	staring packages have stuff for ~3 days of production.


[02-May-23 02:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	starting(


[02-May-23 02:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	so you may want to send a ship out for a couple days worth of consumables and production materials


[02-May-23 02:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I dont know how to do it. Yet hahah


[02-May-23 02:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	"Fly" command so destination? Any suggestions?


[02-May-23 02:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	fly responcibly


[02-May-23 02:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	basically.. minimum plus a few notches


[02-May-23 02:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	you can sell half your starting fuel for some extra funds if needed


[02-May-23 02:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	(from both ships)


[02-May-23 02:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	So i need to see the map, find a notch with the consumable/material i want and send a transponder?


[02-May-23 02:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	nope


[02-May-23 02:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Ok hahah


[02-May-23 02:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	you'll want to send to commodity exchanges (CXs) where players buy and sell goods


[02-May-23 02:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	the closest CX is Antares 1 jump away which doesn;t take that long


[02-May-23 02:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I liek to send ships overnight... so I can mess with them in the morning


[02-May-23 02:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	How long it takes?


[02-May-23 02:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I understand


[02-May-23 02:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Btw, any way to change the company name if i want to?


[02-May-23 02:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	they are based in Germany.. and are quite active.


[02-May-23 02:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	as for the flight time... maybe 6-8 hours


[02-May-23 02:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Ive not Discord at work, but ill try later


[02-May-23 02:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	typical flights are ~10 to 14 hours... but Deimos is rather close to the CX


[02-May-23 02:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	on the left side bar CXL -> Ant CX to checkout the prices


[02-May-23 02:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	depends on fuel used, how full the ship is, etc.


[02-May-23 02:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I'm not sure... could send a message to a dev on the discord to ask


[02-May-23 02:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Thanks a lot :)


[02-May-23 02:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	you'll be interested in RATs, OVE, DW, and production materials. I'd suggest pricking up some PWOs (luxury good) to boost your worker's efficiency


[02-May-23 02:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	picking*


[02-May-23 02:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	can check to see how many your guys would use in the Workforce tab (in the base screen)


[02-May-23 02:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Thanks zero


[02-May-23 02:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	this map is very helpful: http://prosperous.freecluster.eu/?i=1


[02-May-23 02:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	the Antare's region is in the lower right in Red


[02-May-23 02:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Ill save it into favs haha


[02-May-23 02:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	you can design and test fly ships in the blueprint screen. (new buffer) BLU


[02-May-23 02:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	in case you wanted to check the distance between things


[02-May-23 02:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	This is nice to know, thanks


[02-May-23 02:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	just take your time with everything and ask question xD


[02-May-23 02:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Yeah i need time. Its A LOT of info


[02-May-23 02:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	lots of really nice and helpful players out there


[02-May-23 02:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	because... everyone started that way xD


[02-May-23 02:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Everyone was confused xD


[02-May-23 02:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	it's a lot of info... and mistake will happen


[02-May-23 02:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	:(


[02-May-23 02:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	players are allowed to restart fairly often.. because starting areas/professions may not be in demand


[02-May-23 02:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I see, i hope isnt my case


[02-May-23 02:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	sometimes starting metallurgy on Montem or fuel on Katoa aren't great option


[02-May-23 02:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	AL and ALO are quite in demand atm


[02-May-23 02:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	you'll get a good price for those


[02-May-23 02:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I started with metallurgy tho


[02-May-23 02:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	which is fine


[02-May-23 02:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	Deimos has a lot of ALO to extrat and smelt for profit


[02-May-23 02:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Metallurgy used to be a 'dead profession' some months ago, one of the hardest starts possible :) It's a living market.


[02-May-23 03:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Now though you can not shovel enough ALO into the AL pit to fill it up the gaping canyon though


[02-May-23 03:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	well.. the FEO/FE market is still quite rough in Moria


[02-May-23 03:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Living markets are gold in videogames cause you need to adapt all the time. There is no solution


[02-May-23 03:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	The game feels great on touchscreen btw, but i dont find the way to move the windows


[02-May-23 03:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	markets drive a lot of players choices


[02-May-23 03:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Which is nice


[02-May-23 03:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	most MMO economies die horribly to imbalance or bugs


[02-May-23 03:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Yeah, i do remember New World...


[02-May-23 03:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	however, I haven;t seen either in my time here


[02-May-23 03:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Is there a goal btw? Apart to grow up your company. And if you have a competitor or something. Politics?


[02-May-23 03:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**HamletsFather**:	only the goals you set yourself


[02-May-23 03:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	this is a sandbox. Find something you like or want to do and pursue it


[02-May-23 03:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Thanks :)


[02-May-23 03:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	looking through the various categories on the market can help with ideas


[02-May-23 03:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**HamletsFather**:	some want to become very rich, some build ships, some want to develop their own regions in space ... you can go nuts or just be content with producing something you like.


[02-May-23 03:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I see. Is there something to discover tho? Or is the map "completed"?


[02-May-23 03:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	info about planets is 'known" but that doesn't stop players settling far off planets or regions


[02-May-23 03:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	planets get developed for different reasons


[02-May-23 03:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I mean... I just settled a rather barren rock to make faster-then-light (FTL) fuel


[02-May-23 03:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Good luck then :D


[02-May-23 03:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	placed it ~12 days ago.. Just got back around to it and picked up 5.3k FTL fuel


[02-May-23 03:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Idk if its much or not hahah


[02-May-23 03:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	so it'll do just fine. 5,300 FTL fuel is a decent amount


[02-May-23 03:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I see


[02-May-23 03:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	can check it's price on the CX


[02-May-23 03:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Im waiting for my smelter so ill go into the next step with the tutorial. I think its better to do things slowly at the beginning to understand.


[02-May-23 03:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I dont want to rush


[02-May-23 03:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	yup, just follow the tutorial. Afterwards, checkout the local CX... prices.. surrounding planets... get a feel for it


[02-May-23 03:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	the wiki has a lot of info and tools that can help as well


[02-May-23 03:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**HamletsFather**:	it is for sure. The thing most players fail at in my opinion ist that they want to expand to fast in this game and then run into liquidity problems and have to restart or find someone to bail them out. So going slowly is a good strategy in the beginning until you have a good feeling for the game.


[02-May-23 03:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Yeah because i dont know how the things work so im just following the tutorial although that means to need more time to do all i need to do


[02-May-23 03:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	just have fun with it. With multiple bases, ships, and things happening, player can get busy quick xD


[02-May-23 03:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I can imagine hahah


[02-May-23 03:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	sometimes it's not about the profit.. sometimes it's about logistics or self-sufficiency


[02-May-23 03:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I work as "Finance Officer", so i can tell


[02-May-23 03:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	once you're around a while... you'll notice players forget to pack a few trusses or pre-fabs... which costs them a lot to fix a packing error xD


[02-May-23 03:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	The most important thing is not to lose money. 0 profit are way better


[02-May-23 03:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	breaking even is not a bad as some make it out to be


[02-May-23 03:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Not at all


[02-May-23 03:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I trade between different CXs... each region has a different thing going on


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**Kiuhek**:	What trusses and pre-fabs are? In game i mean


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**RNGzero**:	building materials


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**RNGzero**:	look under construction prefabs on the CX


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**RNGzero**:	or construction materials on the CX


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**RNGzero**:	to build or repair buildings... it takes those types of goods


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**Kiuhek**:	I see, so its great to have some in the ships before they fly away tho?


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**RNGzero**:	well... it can help to double check important items before sending a ship


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**RNGzero**:	since it costs fuel, time, and repairs to send a ship.... so being short a bit of concrete can be a pain


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**Kiuhek**:	I see, my problem right now it not to know what is important or not xD


[02-May-23 03:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	in your case... just production materials and consumables


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**RNGzero**:	maybe pre-fabs if you wanted another building


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**RNGzero**:	can click on material or building icons to see what recipes they go into or can produce


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**Kiuhek**:	I will learn more about it when im finished with tutorials im sure xD


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**Clout**:	how long does it generally take to get new ships?


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**Clout**:	it seems like the cost to entry is exceedingly high


[02-May-23 09:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	You won't be able to afford a new ship until mid game at least, but you won't really need it before then. Upgrades are much cheaper and can increase your shipping capacity significantly


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**Inforiel**:	Depends on the ship you're after, but 0,5 mill for the cheapest models and then all the way up to 5 mill if you want something silly with all the bling


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**Clout**:	ahh i didnt know you could upgrade


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**Clout**:	very nice thanks


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**Inforiel**:	You need active PRO to use the shipyard though


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**Inforiel**:	And also active PRO to fly more than 2 ships at once


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**Inforiel**:	2 standard ships will keep 6 bases running on free license depending on input/output needs though.


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**Kiuhek**:	What do you recommend to construct after the extractor and smelter?


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**HamletsFather**:	more of the same? ^^ Depends on what you want to do...


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**Kiuhek**:	Im not sure, but i do want to be a little independent. I see i cant extract/create carbon and oxigen


[03-May-23 06:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	But can tho extract more ALO to create AL and sell it to profit and buy those


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**HamletsFather**:	At the beginning you are never independent, even as a Victualler you are only a bit more independent.


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**Kiuhek**:	I see hahaha


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**HamletsFather**:	You can of course build other bases and become less dependent. You can of course build a collector for Oxygen here, but producing Oxygen is more efficient on other planets.


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**HamletsFather**:	You have to decide If you want to be a bit less profitable and be probably more independent in the beginning.


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**Kiuhek**:	I dont think im ready for a second base


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**RNGzero**:	I don't know... Deimos has quite a good amount of O within the region


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**Severine**:	extractors are good money but they cap out your shipping pretty early


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**HamletsFather**:	Yeah at the beginning you also will not have enough money to build a second base.


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**Kiuhek**:	I do think i need to focus in one ting, but do it well


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**Severine**:	if you are planning towards a 500 land base, a 1 COL 4 EXT 8 SME, 4 PP2 base is what im aiming towards at the moment


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**Kiuhek**:	I will maybe go for a collector first and then we will see


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**Kiuhek**:	I just want to dont need to buy O/C/OVE/RAT every time, but to maybe collect O myself and sell ALO/AL to buy the rest


[03-May-23 06:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**HamletsFather**:	You will need to buy C / RAT / DW / OVE for quite a while.


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**Kiuhek**:	Yeah i know


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**Kiuhek**:	But if i collect O by myself...


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**HamletsFather**:	yeah do that :)


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**RNGzero**:	O is fine on Deimos.. I have a few extra COLs here for CUO


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**Kiuhek**:	Im just thinking small hahaha


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**RNGzero**:	as for a BMP for OVE, PWO, etc... or FP for RATs and DW... that depends


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**Kiuhek**:	Ive a contract which is not good i think, but i just want to "try", as a tutorial


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**HamletsFather**:	a faction contract?


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**RNGzero**:	learning experinces are good


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**Kiuhek**:	Thats right


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**Kiuhek**:	But i want to see how "bad" it is by myself


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**RNGzero**:	just think about every 1% repair as 1k credits


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**RNGzero**:	you can even name them


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**Kiuhek**:	Oh yeah, condition


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**Kiuhek**:	Right?


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**RNGzero**:	I've set the fleet window so it's always up


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**RNGzero**:	yuo


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**Kiuhek**:	I see. I cannot create the material i need for this so its another thing to think about


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**RNGzero**:	left side bar -> FLT -> click ship


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**RNGzero**:	a hull plate facility (HWP) can be in your future... but it consumes a lot of AL


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**RNGzero**:	just depends what you want to get into


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**Kiuhek**:	Is there a way to see what a collector collects, f.ex?


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**RNGzero**:	COLs, EXT, and RIGs can only extract what a planet has to offer


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**RNGzero**:	COL = gases, EXT = minerals, RIG = Liquid


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**RNGzero**:	if a planet has multiple minerals.. you can select what the extract hits


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**RNGzero**:	so checking out what is on a planet can be important


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**Kiuhek**:	Nice to know, thanks!


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**RNGzero**:	this site shows the extraction/day at 100% efficiency: https://aeryen23.github.io/yapt/#/planetsearch


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**Kiuhek**:	Ive started to collect O now :) Im traveling to Spain tomorrow so i need to have a little plan


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**RNGzero**:	also good for looking around the "neighborhood" for other planets to settle


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**Kiuhek**:	Thanks! Im from Spain tho, but im not living there


[03-May-23 06:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	due to planet conditions... sometimes materials like H2O will be a gas or solid... helps to check first


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**Kiuhek**:	I do need a financials overview tutorial hahah


[03-May-23 06:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I see!


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**RNGzero**:	the financials are a bit wonky...


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**Kiuhek**:	Hahahah


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**RNGzero**:	it assumes everything you make has 0 value until someone agrees it's worth X amount via buy/sell


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**Kiuhek**:	I see. Im just used to have a prognose and so on


[03-May-23 06:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	so useing self-produced items... can cause wonkiness.... not inaccurate though


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**RNGzero**:	aside from that... finances does fine


[03-May-23 06:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	I just need a tutorial to understand everything of that


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**RNGzero**:	financial periods are a week and start on Monday UTC +1


[03-May-23 06:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Thats nice to know


[03-May-23 06:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	So "results" are for this week


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**jelutz77**:	Independent? I have 20 bases and am not fully independent. I think the devs did a good job of not allowing that.


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**Kiuhek**:	20 bases, jesus


[03-May-23 06:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	results are the current week, last week, and the week before


[03-May-23 06:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	As i said, i need a tutorial hahaha


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**RNGzero**:	so you can track progress over time


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**RNGzero**:	I'm not sure I can provide a tutorial for the finance sheets


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**Kiuhek**:	I can try youtube or something


[03-May-23 06:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kiuhek**:	Thanks a lot mate


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**RNGzero**:	hope that helped some... I'm not sure anyone fully understands the finance sheets


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**Kiuhek**:	Hahahah


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**Kiuhek**:	I just dont want to go bankrupt


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**jelutz77**:	Just make enough money not to run out of cash :)


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**Kiuhek**:	Easy to say hahaha


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**JiaSeeDao**:	hi ppl need "ove" asap contrat in local market (fill -> get paid)


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**JiaSeeDao**:	contract filled! thx


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**Marklepolo**:	anybody got some FF for sale? I got stuck. Ad's up in the local market. Thanks!


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**Marklepolo**:	Thanks!!


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**Grandpa_Canuck**:	So long and thanks for all the fish. After 390 days of intence play I have decided to pack it in. I will be mothballing things over the next couple of days in case I decide to return. It has been fun. Thanks all for the wonderful interactions.


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**Gilith**:	it's a shame, I will miss your streams. good luck, and see you in the next universe I hope


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**EyangKodok**:	o7


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**Bobemor**:	ooh deimos getting very full again!


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**pogg**:	I have 1 AIC :(


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**Rannepear**:	yikes


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**Rannepear**:	Learn to play guitar and hit the streets of Deimos, I guess


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**Gilith**:	make sure it's with metallurgy theme. this might work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34CZjsEI1yU

{Embed}
Napalm Records
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34CZjsEI1yU
WIND ROSE - Diggy Diggy Hole (Official Video) | Napalm Records
Get the new album "Wintersaga" here: https://smarturl.it/Wintersaga-NPR

Wind Rose states:
“Mining is one of the most important activities for a Dwarf, naturally Wind Rose needed a theme song for this great honor of collecting these jewels from the soil, so sing with us with pride!!“ 

"Diggy Diggy Hole" originally written by Yogscast

Mixed and...
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/CdHEmI5DTU0ahUveMr0FungJf2kLucUtDTXr42GKIVw/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/34CZjsEI1yU/maxresdefault.jpg


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**Rannepear**:	I was hoping it was the dwarf metal I saw recently LOL


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**PorkFisher**:	Look, I'm new, but even I can say 12 people joining the same planet in 2 days is pretty unusual


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**Inforiel**:	13 ;)


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**Rannepear**:	Its a starter planet >.>


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**jelutz77**:	Yeah, pretty normal.


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**SFScorpio**:	Anyone got 40 MCG for me? Will put an Ad up


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**HamletsFather**:	I do


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**Inforiel**:	Just dropped a couple of shipping conts - 2-way trip to Vulcan for starter ships, in case any of the fresh meat got a lazy ship and want to make a buck.


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**Command-der**:	hey


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**Neth_Havoc**:	heho


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**RNGzero**:	hey there


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**GamingBT**:	hey seapear


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**Bobemor**:	o/


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**GamingBT**:	if anyone needs test tubes for any reason, im selling them for 199 AIC


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**GamingBT**:	*189


[29-May-23 10:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	Typically for TUBs or other POPI materials, you'll want to talk to governors since those are usually the ones that need them


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**OrginizedPiratesofSelest**:	how do i do pick up contracts on my planet?


[03-Jun-23 02:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	contract and such require pro or basic (expired pro)


[03-Jun-23 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**OrginizedPiratesofSelest**:	no its from my faction it wants me to pick up and deliever HCG to ZV-795c but my base is at Zv-795c idk how to pick it up


[03-Jun-23 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**OrginizedPiratesofSelest**:	see Provisioning of 28 units of High-Carb Grains @ Antares II - Deimos (ZV-759c)


[03-Jun-23 02:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**OrginizedPiratesofSelest**:	Im rlly new to this game I guess ill look up some tutorials


[03-Jun-23 02:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	ah, from a faction contract


[03-Jun-23 02:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**OrginizedPiratesofSelest**:	yeah i need to pick up there supplys


[03-Jun-23 02:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	on the left side bar select CONT


[03-Jun-23 02:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**OrginizedPiratesofSelest**:	ok


[03-Jun-23 02:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	faction contracts are not always worth it. So just be cautious which ones you take


[03-Jun-23 02:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	view the contract you want... if you intend on doing it.. accept it


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**RNGzero**:	then follow the step and press fulfill to get the package


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**OrginizedPiratesofSelest**:	I chose this one beacuse its giving me 3 BSE wich cost 1,770 AIC at the commodity exchange


[03-Jun-23 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	sounds good


[03-Jun-23 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	just be aware of the cost of fuel, repairs, etc. your ship will need to do the contract


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**OrginizedPiratesofSelest**:	ok thnxs :>


[03-Jun-23 02:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	hope that helps!


[03-Jun-23 02:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**OrginizedPiratesofSelest**:	yep thnx again


[03-Jun-23 02:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I'd encourage questions in the help channel as only players with bases on Deimos can see this chat


[03-Jun-23 02:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	and there are plenty of helpful players w/o bases here xD


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**Yinxx**:	This is quite the game.


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**EyangKodok**:	yes :)


[04-Jun-23 04:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	how long have you been playing?


[04-Jun-23 04:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**EyangKodok**:	couple months


[04-Jun-23 04:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	This definitely seems like a long term kinda game.


[04-Jun-23 04:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Good for understanding buisness


[04-Jun-23 04:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**EyangKodok**:	i can  help it goes faster if you want :)


[04-Jun-23 04:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	uhh


[04-Jun-23 04:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**EyangKodok**:	bujt you need atleast BASIC Licience


[04-Jun-23 04:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**EyangKodok**:	i meant finance stimulus


[04-Jun-23 04:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	lol you need some work done?


[04-Jun-23 04:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Im a construction company


[04-Jun-23 04:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**EyangKodok**:	i need  LST, but to be able to work together,  you'll need atleast BASIC licience


[04-Jun-23 04:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	oh, i see.


[04-Jun-23 04:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**EyangKodok**:	just try the game out, and see if you like it


[04-Jun-23 04:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**EyangKodok**:	if you have some questions, you have better luck asking those in Discord server


[04-Jun-23 04:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Will do. I'll find you if i want to proceed in a bigger license.


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**Gilith**:	Looking for a new FTL ship? Look no further - we have one listed on auction now! https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1114938831133753405


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**Jules_Smeg**:	After some ALO. 3x 1000u orders on the LM to fill.


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**Get_Wild**:	Hello!


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**HamletsFather**:	Hi :)


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**Get_Wild**:	Happy Friday!


[09-Jun-23 04:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**HamletsFather**:	thx. to you, too.


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**LargeFoot**:	Got some Aluminium on local market if anyone wants it...


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**Gilith**:	ty


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**LargeFoot**:	Thanks for the purchase! I now have more than 100 AIC :)


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**PiBoy314**:	Shipping ads posted for 12,000 AIC going from Griffonstone to Deimos


[09-Jun-23 11:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**capi3101**:	Howdy y'all. Posted some sell ads at the local LM for some higher-tier luxury goods. Asking for less than what you'd have to pay at the Antares CX, and the goods are already local.


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**Gilith**:	I don't think there's a market for WIN here


[09-Jun-23 11:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	Sure there is, them 20 employed SCI are drinking a whole bottle a week between them! :-p


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**caskman**:	Buying 10 PWO.AI1 for 300/u on the LM


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**caskman**:	Ad fulfilled, thanks


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**LargeFoot**:	If anybody has a base at antares III nike, I can provide some shipping services back to deimos if required


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**melon164**:	I regularly put up shipping contracts from Nike to ANT


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**LargeFoot**:	Limestone posted on LM if anybody needs any


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**Harpercz**:	hello, somebody want to buy (C) Carbon? 130 units


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**Churaviis**:	Put up an ad on the LM and if someone needs it they will buy it


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**melon164**:	Can anyone sell me 100 or so SF?


[21-Jun-23 02:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**EyangKodok**:	i can


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**melon164**:	Thanks :-)


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**shakezula**:	Oye beltalowda


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**Churaviis**:	Check your orders


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**Gilith**:	CXOS


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**Gilith**:	there's a gray link to it at the top right corner of CXL


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**Bobemor**:	oof deimos is very nearly full


[24-Jun-23 12:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	welcome new people!


[24-Jun-23 01:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	A starter can never be full, bw-ha-ha! :D


[24-Jun-23 01:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	...I'm so glad I've already expanded here though, on that note.


[24-Jun-23 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MithrilGear**:	I actually misread the "plots" number when I started on Deimos. I thought it was the number of settled plots, not available plots.


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**ReallyBigWatermelon**:	Good morning everybody


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**MithrilGear**:	Good morning.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Good morning.


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**Inforiel**:	The booty does not like the morning


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**EyangKodok**:	lol


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**Inforiel**:	Huh, did not know the 'playername left' messages gets erased - Now my earlier sentence makes no sense :D


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**EyangKodok**:	LOL


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**yngwette**:	fellow metallurgist pls sell me local AL.AI1 . it is better than stuff from china so i pay 551 on LM . thank .


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**KZ_Kawasaki**:	But other people will pay 580 on LM...


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**The-Saucerers-Apprentice**:	so what do i do after i que'd up a few items for the production lines?


[26-Jun-23 08:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**The-Saucerers-Apprentice**:	just come back tomorrow?


[26-Jun-23 08:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DraconisDomini**:	Pretty much


[26-Jun-23 08:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**The-Saucerers-Apprentice**:	is there anything else i can do while i wait?  so far i'm not seeing any other options and i feel like i've used up all my starting resources


[26-Jun-23 08:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DraconisDomini**:	It is pretty slow to get started in this game, mostly a log on once a day thing


[26-Jun-23 09:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	can look around at the CX prices, checkout your planet and region


[26-Jun-23 09:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	may consider some CX to CX trading or shipping contracts (w/ PRO) for some extra income.... or ask a bunch of questions on /help


[26-Jun-23 09:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**The-Saucerers-Apprentice**:	ah ok i see, so i can just buy what i don't have and i need to fly my ship there to pick it up


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**FidelCashflow**:	I spent a massive amount of time at start looking around at planets seeing where I might wanna expand later. I often get lost arguing to myself where I want the carbon farm to be. plenty to do while waiting lol


[27-Jun-23 01:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	lots of options... but you can also ask players in chat what they think of your plan


[27-Jun-23 01:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	lots of good advice that way... and markets are large enough 1 base's production isn;t going to break the bank (mostly)


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**jelutz77**:	It may be easier to argue where NOT to put the C farm... it took a while to find a planet where I didn't want to build anything else where I could make C cheaply


[27-Jun-23 06:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Coming from over in the Benten area, Etherwind and then moving to Tacotopia seems to be one of the less painful ways to do it.


[27-Jun-23 06:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Gets you the water needed for your farm worlds while also giving you something to haul TO Etherwind initally


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**FidelCashflow**:	Im thinking either Ether or Harmonina, but will probably end up carboning them both


[27-Jun-23 11:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Nascent was specifically made for burning C and is on the way back from Demeter


[27-Jun-23 11:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	I wasn't aware of that about Nascent. I guess it's a good thing I use it for burning C then.


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**GamingBT**:	deimos full


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[27-Jun-23 01:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SyI000**:	How exactly do I get started and play this game?


[27-Jun-23 02:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Follow the beginner contracts and watch the tutorials on YouTube


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**GamingBT**:	paying 100 AIC per oxygen offer lasts for 3hr


[28-Jun-23 12:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	explain why nascent was made for carbon plz i dont get it, it doesnt even have water


[28-Jun-23 12:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	Ah Demeter makes the C and then Nascent uses it. Demeter is def in the running now


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[28-Jun-23 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Demeter makes the GRN/MAI/HCP and Nascent burns it into C


[28-Jun-23 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	okay that makes sense, so do you just go pure INC on Nascent or are you pulling AL too?


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**Churaviis**:	I extract ALO from Nascent as well, which frees up space on Deimos, although it's quite rich so there's still plenty of space left over for INC


[28-Jun-23 12:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	okay thanks that is very helpful. I think im still going to go to Harmonia first and do FRM and INC there to get started. Then Nascent / Demeter will be the T2 C farm


[28-Jun-23 12:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MithrilGear**:	I was just going to put INCs on Deimos. But, that's my only base right now.


[28-Jun-23 12:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	same here, but I hit 5 smelters so my queue is gonna be jacked if I add more without more queue slots so I think is 2nd planet time. The space i dont use on deimos for AL will become welding plants and such before I move to HEP


[28-Jun-23 12:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MithrilGear**:	If you're only smelting one metal, isn't a single recuring order in the queue enough?


[28-Jun-23 12:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	i can only queue 5 orders so if i have 6 smelters when they finish one will be left not working unless i manually put it in as they finish every time


[28-Jun-23 12:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MithrilGear**:	A recuring order will start as many orders as its takes to fill capacity.


[28-Jun-23 12:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MithrilGear**:	I just have one recurring order running my 4 SME


[28-Jun-23 12:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	oh holy crap man I didn't know I could make them recurring, that totally just changed my whole plan thanks so much


[28-Jun-23 12:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	that button is too tiny lol it wasn't until you said that I even noticed it there


[28-Jun-23 12:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MithrilGear**:	Ahh, but I just checked. Apparently that's PRO only.


[28-Jun-23 12:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	understandable thankfully not a problem for me


[28-Jun-23 12:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MithrilGear**:	One thing to watch out for: a recuring order that can't start will block the top of the queue instead of skipping to the next one.


[28-Jun-23 12:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MithrilGear**:	And maybe regular orders do to, for that matter, tho I haven't encountered that issue myself yet.


[28-Jun-23 12:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	all my queue just repeat the same thing so I def haven't experienced that, the recurring pretty much puts everything on autopilot now


[28-Jun-23 12:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	and I'm excited I don't have to wait until HQ 5 for more smelters now :D


[28-Jun-23 12:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	this is why you use chat kids


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**Churaviis**:	Pro tip when planning out your C bases, more INC with the slow recipe is more productive per unit of area than the faster ones


[28-Jun-23 02:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Queue will skip 1 recipe if 2 slots are open, leaving 1 slot idle, same with 2 recipes and 3 slots open, etc.


[28-Jun-23 02:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	If it's all one recipe, it won't matter because if you don't have stuff for one, you don't have it for any.


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**SpaceMike**:	Is there a way to directly trade on-planet? Or is my only option to fly to a CX?


[28-Jun-23 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	PRO license allows use of the LM


[28-Jun-23 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	also private contract with CONTD


[28-Jun-23 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RickG**:	Anyone got 6 RTA i could buy?


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**FidelCashflow**:	What if I did x5 AL recurring, then a x1 Al recurring? If I don't have enough mats for the 5 per, will it fill it out with single orders until my stuff runs out?


[29-Jun-23 12:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	like if I have 5 smelters and 17 carbon, will it do 3 x5 orders and 2 x1 or will it just do the 3 x5 and then block


[29-Jun-23 01:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Negative - prodque will go from start until finish, if que #1 fails it will get stuck there


[29-Jun-23 01:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	There is no benefit to running larger orders either unless you are looking to balance production between differing items


[29-Jun-23 01:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	If all your SME's just make AL a single 1x AL on recurring will do the trick.


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**Churaviis**:	The benefit to larger orders is that if you don't have recurring production you don't have to requeue production as often, although you'll likely need to build up gradually to larger production sizes in order to build up enough inputs to feed the larger orders


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**jelutz77**:	Also, you can easily get target radios using recurring orders, such as 3 of one recipe and 5 of another.


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**YugFletcher**:	YOOO somone just partially fufilled my request order for mineral construction granulate


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**YugFletcher**:	this is so cool


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**thejeffcooper**:	hey, I just built a new ship and forgot to bring fuel for it. if anyone has some spare SF and FF, I just posted LM ads at very generous prices :)


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**MithrilGear**:	Those prices are terrible


[29-Jun-23 10:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	3.33 each is not a generous price


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**ChineseEarthquake**:	generous of us


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**yngwette**:	lol


[29-Jun-23 10:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	oh no


[29-Jun-23 11:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MithrilGear**:	Does a buy contract on the LM pay out on acceptance, or delivery?


[29-Jun-23 11:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MithrilGear**:	or is it manual?


[29-Jun-23 11:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	It pays out when youre partner decides to pay out, if he decides to


[30-Jun-23 02:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	What are those prices for STL and FTL Fuel Lmao


[30-Jun-23 02:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	in the local market


[30-Jun-23 03:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**EyangKodok**:	chance are thats meant  for corp member


[30-Jun-23 03:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**EyangKodok**:	some corp have exclusive prices to trade between corp members thats  much lower than CX prices


[30-Jun-23 04:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Hello. Any people here who build ship engines? I'm in the Market for an HYR and an AEN. for 2.5-3mio AIC (together, not each) PM me if interested.


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**thejeffcooper**:	oh, I missed a zero on my "generous prices"


[30-Jun-23 11:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	that's what I get for posting ads late at night


[30-Jun-23 11:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	whoops


[30-Jun-23 11:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**thejeffcooper**:	was meant to be 33/u, not 3.3/u :|


[30-Jun-23 11:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MithrilGear**:	Huh, got a faction delivery contract with no deadline. "Just, you know, whenever you get around to it."


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**HamletsFather**:	yeah, those exist. it's so people don't pirate the shipment.


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**Yinxx**:	100 MCG, Mineral Construction Granulates For sale. 3550 AIC a Package.


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**pugstonthepug**:	does anyone have a carbon industry built by chance?


[02-Jul-23 03:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	on Deimos.. unlikely but possible. I would think most bring C or agriculture goods to incinerate on base


[02-Jul-23 03:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**KZ_Kawasaki**:	C is hard to move, so i do make some, but not all here.


[02-Jul-23 03:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	im attempting to be self sufficient for my metal industry


[02-Jul-23 03:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	so i was looking for advice


[02-Jul-23 03:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I think 1 farm on Deimos can support 2 INS


[02-Jul-23 03:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	INC*


[02-Jul-23 03:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	and that would be using the slower C recipes


[02-Jul-23 03:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	maybe the other way round due to deimos fertility


[02-Jul-23 03:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**KZ_Kawasaki**:	It's possible to be self sufficient on Deimos, but you won't have space left over for too much more.


[02-Jul-23 03:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	im fine for what i want to do on deimos


[02-Jul-23 03:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	just need to "automate" aluminium production and ill start another base for other materials


[02-Jul-23 03:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	just to ask is there any actual automation


[02-Jul-23 03:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	using repeat orders.... kind of


[02-Jul-23 04:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	when i have a good production setup ill just queue massive orders


[02-Jul-23 04:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	anyone have a prefab industry setup


[02-Jul-23 04:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	ill send aluminium for cheap


[02-Jul-23 04:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	100 aic's each


[02-Jul-23 04:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	most players have their pp2s on Nike


[02-Jul-23 04:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	but I bet there are some with PP2 setups on Deimos


[02-Jul-23 04:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	is there any other industries using aluminium?


[02-Jul-23 04:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	quite a few


[02-Jul-23 04:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	(in a new buffer) MAT AL


[02-Jul-23 04:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	shows everything it goes into


[02-Jul-23 04:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	or click on the icons for materials/buildings


[02-Jul-23 04:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	i see electronic industry, medical industry, alloy industry and exosuit stuff


[02-Jul-23 04:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	hull plate and welders as well are quire big AL sinks


[02-Jul-23 04:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	anyone in deimos have these industries?


[02-Jul-23 04:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	quite likely


[02-Jul-23 04:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**ChineseEarthquake**:	probably safe to assume that


[02-Jul-23 04:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	do you know anyone who would want aluminum for cheap


[02-Jul-23 04:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**ChineseEarthquake**:	yes, me


[02-Jul-23 04:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	sure


[02-Jul-23 04:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	how much ya need and when


[02-Jul-23 04:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**ChineseEarthquake**:	I DM'd


[02-Jul-23 04:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	just know the price of AL at the closest CX is AL.AI1


[02-Jul-23 04:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	total production cost of aluminium is maybe 100-200 AIC


[02-Jul-23 04:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	seems a bit low


[02-Jul-23 04:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**ReallyBigWatermelon**:	Hey that's ma' product. I just mine and refine aluminium


[02-Jul-23 04:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	if you sold the ingredients at the CX you'd make more than 100-200


[02-Jul-23 04:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	Ant CX is just 1 jump away... so selling too low is robbing yourself


[02-Jul-23 04:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**ChineseEarthquake**:	unless you are selling more than 500t and can't transport it all


[02-Jul-23 04:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**ChineseEarthquake**:	saves on ship wear, fuel


[02-Jul-23 04:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	maybe 250 AIC will be my lowest price


[02-Jul-23 04:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	the trip tot he CX is less than 12 hours... can make multiple trips per day easy


[02-Jul-23 04:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	plus, 1 base on deimos isn;t going to make enough AL per day to fill multiple ships


[02-Jul-23 04:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	5 experts... full consumables.. it's like on 1k area 200 AL/day


[02-Jul-23 04:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	wouldnt having multiple extractors give more production capabilities


[02-Jul-23 04:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	extracters take quite a bit of area


[02-Jul-23 04:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	if you team up.. and have 1 base do ore.. and 1 base smelt.. you could be more efficient


[02-Jul-23 04:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	dont have someone to team with


[02-Jul-23 04:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	most players don't


[02-Jul-23 04:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	in the mean time ill sell ALO to get some more materials for more industry


[02-Jul-23 04:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	sounds like a plan


[02-Jul-23 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	how do you get more ships btw?


[02-Jul-23 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	they require contractign with a shipyard (PRO) than supplying the needed parts


[02-Jul-23 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	cheapest ship is ~700k...


[02-Jul-23 04:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	ships with FTL engines cost ~2m


[02-Jul-23 04:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	maybe more... depends on the design


[02-Jul-23 04:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	anyways thx for helping


[02-Jul-23 04:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	you're welcome. Plenty of nice players out there


[02-Jul-23 04:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	help channel is usuallly better because more players can see the chat there


[02-Jul-23 04:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	this is only for people with bases on Deimos


[02-Jul-23 04:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	also for some reason when i queue AL i get free carbon and oxygen


[02-Jul-23 04:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	those are the products that go into making AL


[02-Jul-23 04:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	you might want to consider the recipe that takes FLX... much better overall


[02-Jul-23 04:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	but i just wonder why they just appear in my base inv


[02-Jul-23 04:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	didnt buy them


[02-Jul-23 04:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	likely starting resources


[02-Jul-23 04:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	didnt produce them


[02-Jul-23 04:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	they just appear


[02-Jul-23 04:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	well only my first orders of aluminium had free oxygen and carbon


[02-Jul-23 04:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	they were not in my inv when i started out


[02-Jul-23 04:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Metal Maker Mountain is Working on a Carbon manufacturing.


[02-Jul-23 04:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	I also have a prefab industry started up. Running two MK1 and 1 MK2 as of currently. Dm your business if you want.


[02-Jul-23 05:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	since i cant sell directly to people, if you want cheap aluminium post an ad in deimos local market


[02-Jul-23 05:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	you can't access LM ads either @pugstonthepug


[02-Jul-23 05:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	i guess ill buy pro license soon then


[02-Jul-23 05:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	I'll be your loyal customer if you do :D


[02-Jul-23 05:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Same


[02-Jul-23 05:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	thx


[02-Jul-23 05:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	in fact I need like 4000+ units of aluminium per week


[02-Jul-23 05:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	no shortage of demand for AL


[02-Jul-23 05:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	yep, agreed :)


[02-Jul-23 05:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	id need roughly like 7-8 extractors just for the raw ore


[02-Jul-23 05:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I've been transporting AL from Ant CX to Ben CX... so it gets around


[02-Jul-23 05:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	I set this core module up just in case I have an aluminium emergency (where the CX prices rise too high AL.NC1


[02-Jul-23 05:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	yeah.. I'm looking to send AL to Moria soon... Lowstrife has enough money to burn xD


[02-Jul-23 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	I'm doing the same


[02-Jul-23 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	my operations are based there


[02-Jul-23 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	and I need to feed my hungry HWPs


[02-Jul-23 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	got 7 of them


[02-Jul-23 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	(5 on vallis)


[02-Jul-23 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	those are hungry buildings


[02-Jul-23 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	wow


[02-Jul-23 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	and 6 Welding plants


[02-Jul-23 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	an order of 1400 ALO takes roughly six days to comlpete with only one extractor


[02-Jul-23 05:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	seems a bit too fast for a newer player


[02-Jul-23 05:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	one thing i find is a bottleneck is the smelters


[02-Jul-23 05:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	that is about 10 AL/hour


[02-Jul-23 05:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	Oh forgot to mention: I'd be willing to throw VC money at any player willing to sell aluminium to me (99 day interest free loans)


[02-Jul-23 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	well... Deimos is almost out of plots


[02-Jul-23 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	so I bet there are a couple interested parties


[02-Jul-23 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	hence me putting a CM here xd


[02-Jul-23 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	Deimos is a grerat planet... 80% max ALO deposit 1 jump from the CX


[02-Jul-23 05:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	with goodoxygen


[02-Jul-23 05:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	i need a lot of oxygen and carbon to start smelting properly


[02-Jul-23 05:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	for every 4 extractors i get i need like 8-9 smelters


[02-Jul-23 05:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	yeah


[02-Jul-23 05:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	smelters are quite inefficient


[02-Jul-23 05:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	in reality you could use arc smelters


[02-Jul-23 05:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	they can be


[02-Jul-23 05:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	when they are the only building that can smelt the stuff... they are both the most and least efficient xD


[02-Jul-23 05:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	an arc smelter needs no oxygen or carbon dioxide


[02-Jul-23 05:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	I can partially offload the smelting load onto my base if you're willing to sell the ore along with your processed aluminium


[02-Jul-23 05:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	this universe doesn;t have electrolysis for H2O, O, and H


[02-Jul-23 05:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	it has literal ftl engines thought


[02-Jul-23 05:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	exactly


[02-Jul-23 05:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	though*


[02-Jul-23 05:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	actually can't I just extract ore myself, that'd be more simpler


[02-Jul-23 05:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	do you have enough space for it though?


[02-Jul-23 05:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	run ALO from aceland to smelt on Deimos?


[02-Jul-23 05:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	well that's another option


[02-Jul-23 05:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	should i dismantle my smelter for more extractors in the beginning?


[02-Jul-23 05:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	hmmm interesting


[02-Jul-23 05:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	might have to run the numbers on the smelters


[02-Jul-23 05:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I have considered it myself


[02-Jul-23 05:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	just... ALO deposite on Deimos is soo high xD


[02-Jul-23 05:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	smelters take like 6 ALO for 3 AL


[02-Jul-23 05:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	4 AL with FLX


[02-Jul-23 05:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	yep extractors make more money by themselves


[02-Jul-23 05:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	but still thats another ingredient to manage


[02-Jul-23 05:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	(given current prices)


[02-Jul-23 05:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	@pugstonthepug the difference between FLX and no FLX is massive


[02-Jul-23 05:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	could go QJ-149c for ALO... larger deposit there


[02-Jul-23 05:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	even buying FLX still turns a massive product


[02-Jul-23 05:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	Ant just has soo many good ALO planets


[02-Jul-23 05:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	yeah agreed


[02-Jul-23 05:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I want to get a CLR... but I'm picky xD


[02-Jul-23 05:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I want to use AL for SI


[02-Jul-23 05:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	because it is more efficient with C


[02-Jul-23 05:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	yeah


[02-Jul-23 05:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	tough choices


[02-Jul-23 05:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	NFI would be a good thing to make with the CLR though


[02-Jul-23 05:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	too little demand


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[03-Jul-23 09:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	hello again


[03-Jul-23 09:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	just wondering should i set up a base at the gold planet


[03-Jul-23 09:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	as your 2nd base? hell no


[03-Jul-23 09:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	hmm why??


[03-Jul-23 09:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	well as always, "it depends"


[03-Jul-23 09:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	if you feel like tackling the logistics of gold, feel freee


[03-Jul-23 09:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	because i notice in exchange there is a lack of supply but large amounts of demand


[03-Jul-23 09:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	check what AU is used for. basically, electronics only. the long complex chains related to drones or ship parts. not something you need at this point


[03-Jul-23 09:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	ok thx


[03-Jul-23 09:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	they just want to sell the gold by themselves xd


[03-Jul-23 09:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	well, if you intend to sell the ore, then maybe. but just ore - gold is heavy, you don't want to transport AU


[03-Jul-23 09:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	also to ask should i invest in building fuel industry or not?


[03-Jul-23 09:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	I have my own REF chugging away in the background at Danakil to provide for my own consumption needs


[03-Jul-23 09:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	seems quite useful ill do it when i have enough resources


[03-Jul-23 09:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	I don't think fuel refining stands out amongst the other industries in terms of profit, but good to save on costs


[03-Jul-23 09:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	fuel prices are stable, and high in ant space. if you can get the materials then sure, why not


[03-Jul-23 09:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	BTW if you decide to start extracting AUO, I'd be happy to buy some


[03-Jul-23 09:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	i found my next base location i think


[03-Jul-23 09:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	ia-139


[03-Jul-23 09:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	it has both aluminium iron and other useful minerals


[03-Jul-23 09:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	check the name again, I can't find it. did you mean IA-093b?


[03-Jul-23 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	it was 039b


[03-Jul-23 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	I got curious as well and was looking around - the FEO and TAI are the primary deposits


[03-Jul-23 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	o93b*


[03-Jul-23 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	But that's a non-populated world so you'd need to afford adding infrastructure to make a base happen there


[03-Jul-23 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	ALO is there, but only trace amounts, not worth extracting


[03-Jul-23 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	but iron is my next target for minerals


[03-Jul-23 09:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	for iron, I'd chose Vulcan. here, in Deimos system


[03-Jul-23 09:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	cool


[03-Jul-23 09:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	any places for setting up fuel industry here in deimos


[03-Jul-23 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	this system*


[03-Jul-23 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Building infrastructure is something you can have fun with once you have some millions and nowhere to spend them anymore


[03-Jul-23 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Early game it's best to work with what gets you biggest bang for buck


[03-Jul-23 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	for fuel - Hermes maybe. no idea, I buy my fuel in Ben space


[03-Jul-23 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	is it cheaper there?


[03-Jul-23 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	but unless you get a big loan, I'd avoid planets with environment values outside of green


[03-Jul-23 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	cheap? Hermes is a gas giant, you'll need AEF, so no, it won't be cheap


[03-Jul-23 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	better than TSH.NC1 HSE.NC1 or tons of INS.NC1


[03-Jul-23 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DogeConomy**:	actually it's worse in some cases xd


[03-Jul-23 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	have you considered Nike? it works great with Deimos as you already have AL, requires SEA but that's not too bad


[03-Jul-23 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**pugstonthepug**:	maybe


[03-Jul-23 09:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Going to an unpopulated planet isn't bad if you're doing extraction or something. You won't need any infrastructure for a few PIO for EXT and/or SME. However, it's the hostile environment that takes a lot of money to build for; the most expensive thing is high/low gravity, temperature, and pressure. Most of the best planets are the ones that are already settled at this point, though there are a few that have some opportunities at some frontiers.


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[03-Jul-23 02:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	@pugstonthepug, I have a base on Hermes, it's cheaper than other HE3 taps... that is for sure


[03-Jul-23 02:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	you'd likely do better getting into SF with NAB than FF


[03-Jul-23 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	for a AUO planet... I'd reccomend Elon. It has other good resource desposits (MGS & CLI) and is already well established


[03-Jul-23 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	sure it's a couple jumps, but it's quite reasonably close to the CX (does require SEA)


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[04-Jul-23 02:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	SEA is cheap


[04-Jul-23 02:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	SEA is quite cheap and easy to make... but I did want to make note of it


[04-Jul-23 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	i want to infiltrate the elon cogc and run extraction so auo prices drop


[04-Jul-23 08:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	You wouldn't need to change the COGC to do that, just build a base and dedicate a high-load ship or two to nothing but carrying AUO back, you'll saturate the market real quick


[04-Jul-23 09:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	i don't want to mine AUO though


[04-Jul-23 09:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	that is the whole motivation


[04-Jul-23 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	:)


[04-Jul-23 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Well there are way more PG producers on the planet than miners so good luck with that


[04-Jul-23 09:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	by infiltrate, i don't mean game actions within the current mechanics, i mean planting spies and stuff


[04-Jul-23 09:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	blackmail all the chemists


[04-Jul-23 09:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	!


[04-Jul-23 09:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	The chemists have no power in the election, only the corporation owners. Did you think this was a peasant's democracy?


[04-Jul-23 09:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	if the chemists don't show up to work, the corporations will be forced to look into other sources of profit


[04-Jul-23 09:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	If the chemists don't show up to work then they can't eat or breathe. We provide all the essentials for life.


[04-Jul-23 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	they will be offered sanctuary on zv-307b... provided they work there of course


[04-Jul-23 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	we will arrange the transportation at our own expense


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**Inforiel**:	Dropped some urgent ads for FF and SF at 25/20 per u , cis or aic - not a lot, just need enough to get my ship off this rock


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**Neth_Havoc**:	You are welcome! :o)


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**Yinxx**:	SELLING 2 Lightweight Transparent Aperture (LTA) @ 3,800.00 AIC for collection within 2 days.  For any of you folks who are not used to construction materials on the LM.


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**DogeConomy**:	I think you posted it twice?


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**Yinxx**:	I have two Packages


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**DogeConomy**:	that makes sense :)


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**Yinxx**:	Id assume someone really only needs 2.


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**Yinxx**:	4x BHH for sale on the Local Market.


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**Yinxx**:	More Construction materials posted on the Local Market today.


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**Yinxx**:	1 (50x (MCG)),  (2x (BDE)), and some more 3(2x (BBH))


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**Triqueon**:	I'm in the market for some BPT, BRP and BWH (~80 each). Anyone here who can make those?


[19-Jul-23 06:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	I can make BWH; I just tore down my SPP unfortunately


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**melon164**:	Although maybe I should stand it up again :thinking:


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**Triqueon**:	DM me about pricing for the bwh :)


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**SpaceMike**:	Paying a premium on a little bit of oxygen in the local market, mistimed my shopping


[21-Jul-23 10:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	our lm is awesome :)


[21-Jul-23 10:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	where else will you find bidding wars on LHP.AI1?


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**KZ_Kawasaki**:	I'm overstocked on LHP and am passing the savings on to YOOOOOUUUUU!!!


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**Churaviis**:	Are you gonna club a baby seal if we don't come on down and buy your LHP?


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**Mind**:	That'd be rather cruel


[22-Jul-23 02:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	For those who aren't aware, it's a reference to UHF, just look up 'UHF car commercial'


[22-Jul-23 02:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	https://youtu.be/o4rLieQGwWY

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**jelutz77**:	Anybody here actually old enough to know what UHF is, other than a movie?


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**valdin98**:	A dial on my TV when I was a kid?


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**existence**:	when I hear UHF I think radio waves


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**Hernanduer**:	the demographic for this game doesn't exactly scream young'uns


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**Yinxx**:	im too young. born in 2000,


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**Yinxx**:	I am a young entrepreneur


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**RiseofFilth**:	i know plenty of folks under 30 that play


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**SpaceMike**:	I'm under 30


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**Inforiel**:	Git of my Space Lawn (tm) SpaceMike


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**RiseofFilth**:	You're welcome at my summer BBQ on my spacelawn, Mike. We got all the FIM and ALE someone could ask for


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**Triqueon**:	Still looking for 80 BPT and BRP, if anyone can make those, PM me pls


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**Yinxx**:	Somthing doesn't look right above ↑


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**SpaceMike**:	Too many legumes?


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**Domicius**:	These vegetables are not like others.


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**jelutz77**:	Magic legumes


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**Churaviis**:	Would you trade a cow for them?


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**Yinxx**:	Uhm, are contracts broken for you guys? I have three shipments are are kinda dead weight right now.\


[26-Jul-23 07:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	What do you mean by "dead weight"?


[26-Jul-23 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**SpaceMike**:	Yes, the components don't load for them. "Dead weight" in the sense that they take space/weight but you can't turn them in


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**jelutz77**:	Make sure you're in the right place, including whether you're in orbit or landed.


[26-Jul-23 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	And you won't be able to turn them in if the time to deliver has expired and the shipper hasn't responded to the notice; they have 24 hours to extend the contract to allow delivery or call breach, which would let you have the goods.


[26-Jul-23 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Or if the contract says "delivery attempted", tell the shipper so they can release space and you can deliver.


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**Yinxx**:	the game updated, contracts were broken. They are okay now.


[27-Jul-23 01:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	thank you for the tip.


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**otakakot**:	so I queued my first production orders, they say they'll take 4 hours, do I just wait 4 hours now or is there something to do?


[29-Jul-23 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	this is a slow(er) game.. best played on the back burner


[29-Jul-23 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	yes, those are in real-time


[29-Jul-23 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	yeah i understand but i thought there might be something else to do as a new player


[29-Jul-23 05:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	i'm looking at a contract i have and it says i have to pick up water and everything ... not sure how? or is this only after completing my first production order?


[29-Jul-23 05:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	faction contracts are optional


[29-Jul-23 05:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	have you gone through the tutorial videos?


[29-Jul-23 05:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	no i hoped to avoid this i'm not much of a video-watching person


[29-Jul-23 05:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	all good!


[29-Jul-23 05:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	there is a handbook as well!


[29-Jul-23 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/index.html

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[29-Jul-23 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	yeah i'm at "base upkeep" but i think it'll be only relevant a bit later after i produced a few things


[29-Jul-23 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	so now i should queue some orders, close the tab, come back in 4 hours correct?


[29-Jul-23 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	that depends


[29-Jul-23 05:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	Deimos is within the Antares region with the Antares CX beign the closest market


[29-Jul-23 05:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	that is where you'll buy and sell materials and consumables to run your peration


[29-Jul-23 05:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	you may want to checkout prices at the CX.. as well as what Deimos is good at producing (hint: AL)


[29-Jul-23 05:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	oh nice


[29-Jul-23 05:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	operation*


[29-Jul-23 05:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	general chat and help channels are really helpful for questions as well


[29-Jul-23 05:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	i'll need a different building to produce AL tho, so i'll look up what that needs, and try to get it


[29-Jul-23 05:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	which starting profession did you pickup?


[29-Jul-23 05:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	constructor i think


[29-Jul-23 05:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	hmmm


[29-Jul-23 05:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	you started with a BMP (very good) and a PP1 (not great around Antares)


[29-Jul-23 05:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	that's what the window said :)


[29-Jul-23 05:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	Antares is AL based... while PP1s mainly use FE (iron)


[29-Jul-23 05:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	however... making PE in the BMP to turn into BDEs (PP1) can take you a long way


[29-Jul-23 05:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	so i should buy some H and C?


[29-Jul-23 05:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	checkout the recipes you building can make (click their icons)


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**otakakot**:	yeah H and C are needed for PE


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**RNGzero**:	some FE can be bought as well... depends if it is profitable to process (likely is)


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**otakakot**:	i need to keep my BMP busy too


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**RNGzero**:	aside from the basic needs PWO (luxury good) are very worthwhile


[29-Jul-23 05:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	BMPs can make some basic consumables.. its a very flexable building


[29-Jul-23 05:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	when flying ships... most players keep fuel to a minimum (plus a few notches).. and fly overnight


[29-Jul-23 05:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	depends on the flight... but Deimos is very close to the CX


[29-Jul-23 05:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	thank you for all these tips


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**RNGzero**:	can sell 1/2 your starting fuel for some extra funds as well


[29-Jul-23 05:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	if you want to start planning things...https://prunplanner.org/login


[29-Jul-23 05:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	that helps sort things out


[29-Jul-23 05:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	so it's the kind of a game to play half an hour a day right?


[29-Jul-23 05:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	yes... once you hae 2 bases... things pickup quick


[29-Jul-23 05:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	is there any way to see the projected upkeep of my base to know what's due to run out?


[29-Jul-23 05:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	left side bar BS -> view base -> workforce


[29-Jul-23 05:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	yess thank you


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[29-Jul-23 05:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	buildings and ships do get repairs as well.. but that more long term (90 day out)


[29-Jul-23 05:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	you'll be well on your way by then


[29-Jul-23 05:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	i see


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**RNGzero**:	Hope that helps! If you have questions the help channel is great and responsive


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**otakakot**:	a bit confused


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**RNGzero**:	on a different screen?


[29-Jul-23 05:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	it should pop right up


[29-Jul-23 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	ok after I clicked FLT on the right it worked, before it'd say "invalid content command"


[29-Jul-23 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	maybe i did smth wrong at first


[29-Jul-23 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	*on the left


[29-Jul-23 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	server may have needed a second?


[29-Jul-23 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	hahah perhaps


[29-Jul-23 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	had an update ~2 days ago...


[29-Jul-23 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	so maybe xD


[29-Jul-23 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	things seem quite stable today


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**PiBoy314**:	Lots of shipping ads (30!) for 10,000 AIC going from ANT to Deimos. Please limit yourself to 2 contracts. I won't fill any more than 2 per company.


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**PiBoy314**:	LM ANT


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**prosperousFlareresso**:	hey PiBoy314


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**Komalarn**:	more like: Hey @prosperousFlareresso :D


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**Yinxx**:	thanks for the shipping contracts


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**PiBoy314**:	More posted. Please limit yourself. There is not auto-provision, but I'll provision within 24 hours.


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**Yinxx**:	wow, those were eaten up.


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**InfiniteKr**:	hello


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**InfiniteKr**:	i guess I wait 15 hours now lmao


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**ChineseEarthquake**:	such is life


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**Joe_Biden_UwU**:	damn


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**Joe_Biden_UwU**:	it's great to be here


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**Joe_Biden_UwU**:	first time setting up another base


[04-Aug-23 04:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Joe_Biden_UwU**:	8 months in


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**HamletsFather**:	then welcome to the second base! :)


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	2nd Base hype!!


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	*cheer*


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**Yinxx**:	cheers!


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**Exeler**:	Welcome to the party. The real game starts with a second base :D


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**LadySerenaKitty**:	*sprinkles catnip in the LM corridors*


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**jelutz77**:	Meow!


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**SpiceySavage**:	I quit, put everything up for nearly free on the local market, 400k for a drinking water etc


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**I_am_Tex**:	Established players should let newer people grab those contracts….


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Sorry to see you go


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**SpaceMike**:	Can someone sell me 40 FLX?


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**I_am_Tex**:	Covered :)


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**SpaceMike**:	Thanks a bunch :D


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**Kalinda**:	Flying ANT to Deimos in about an hour with space available: up to 320t / 385m3.


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**Yinxx**:	wow


[09-Aug-23 07:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DraconisDomini**:	Need to stop the fall in PIO numbers soon, only 8250 unemployed now


[09-Aug-23 08:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	3 weeks?


[09-Aug-23 08:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	That's if it doesn't slow, which it surely will


[09-Aug-23 08:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Wow, that's not migration out though, that's all education to SET


[09-Aug-23 08:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Yes, will need more PIO happiness soon, to bring up the 4 week happiness over 75% so we can get more PIO to replace those educated to SET for emmigration, so that we can continue to educate ENG.


[09-Aug-23 08:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	BUT, we're losing ENG... why?


[09-Aug-23 08:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	because none of the important PI is stocked?


[09-Aug-23 08:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	So... why?


[09-Aug-23 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	Deimos has very low taxes, it's generally relied on contributions from others as Bobemor just handles some parts


[09-Aug-23 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	When I was governor, I had money I didn't know what to do with, when taxes were at mandatory minimum. We weren't funding TEC/ENG back then, but apparently aren't now either.


[09-Aug-23 08:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	well feel free to run then :)


[09-Aug-23 08:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	but really, I'd prefer a taxed model and have on person handle it


[09-Aug-23 08:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	than rely on the kindness of others


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**Hernanduer**:	one person*


[09-Aug-23 08:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	^


[09-Aug-23 08:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Not that I have any use for ENG


[09-Aug-23 08:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	hah I do


[09-Aug-23 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	still don't understand how the negative workers work


[09-Aug-23 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	since I have full pop


[09-Aug-23 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Negative workers?


[09-Aug-23 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	we're missing at least 247 ENG


[09-Aug-23 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	which means someone lost them


[09-Aug-23 08:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	What do you mean by missing?


[09-Aug-23 08:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	We have 200 open jobs, and lost 47 from the planet last POPR


[09-Aug-23 08:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	We're currently 200 short on planet


[09-Aug-23 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	right, so someone lost ENG that they had


[09-Aug-23 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	I don't understand the process in determining who loses them


[09-Aug-23 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	since I'm still full


[09-Aug-23 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	and I have about 5% of the total ENG pop, so I would've expected to lose at least 1


[09-Aug-23 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	if it was round robin or something


[09-Aug-23 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Someone lost 47 last POPR. It was spread among ENG employers.


[09-Aug-23 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	spread unevenly though, is my point


[09-Aug-23 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	IIRC, it's round robin, so the losses are probably spread among the largest employers first.


[09-Aug-23 08:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	hmmm maybe I don't understand "round robin" then, I thought it would take 1 from each


[09-Aug-23 08:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	but yeah, that makes sense, largest employers first, all boats sinking at the same speed as it were


[09-Aug-23 08:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	And the most able to afford funding POPI get hit first


[09-Aug-23 08:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	I think that change came about in response to redistribution taking everybody's employees when a big player drops a huge base in a small population base.


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**RiseofFilth**:	Dont forget folks, there is a 10% buffer on all populations


[09-Aug-23 09:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	so even if it says "unemployed", as long as its within 10% of total pop, no one actually loses them


[09-Aug-23 09:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	that's not true, I've started planets from scratch alone, and the open jobs equaled how many I was missing


[09-Aug-23 09:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	https://imgur.com/a/O5s9kZF

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[09-Aug-23 09:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	I just started this planet, it has a 10% buffer, and ive only build 4 BMPs


[09-Aug-23 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	and yet, it says the population is 256 + 200 unemployed


[09-Aug-23 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	4x BMPs should only be 400 population


[09-Aug-23 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	open jobs are calculated before the report is done


[09-Aug-23 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	No shit?


[09-Aug-23 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	i did not know that


[09-Aug-23 09:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	so it says, you had 200 missing jobs, then it calculates the 56


[09-Aug-23 09:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	I take it all back thenm


[09-Aug-23 09:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	so you should still be missing 133


[09-Aug-23 09:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	144


[09-Aug-23 09:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	next report will say open is 144


[09-Aug-23 09:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	fair enough. Then I wonder what the 10% is


[09-Aug-23 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	I think it was some system where they would have it automatically try to get you to a 10% buffer?


[09-Aug-23 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	but it doesn't work, or wasn't realized


[09-Aug-23 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	idk


[09-Aug-23 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	10% workforce pool is for changes between POPR. POPR is the final distribution.


[09-Aug-23 09:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	I was also unaware of the timing of open jobs.


[09-Aug-23 09:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	yes, it's very confusing


[09-Aug-23 09:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	so when open says 200 and then they added 200 that report, it means no one is missing anything!


[09-Aug-23 10:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	The 10% worker pool refers to the percentage of unemployed workers you can hire immediately upon constructing of production/housing but before the next POPR. The exact number can be seen in parentheses next to the number of required workers for a building on the construction buffer. The default 10% can be changed by the governor.


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**Hernanduer**:	can we? I don't think you can change it


[09-Aug-23 10:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	it disappears when I go into rules edit mode


[09-Aug-23 11:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	POPR rows are sorted terribly (I've suggested devs change the ordering to make it infinitely more intuitive in past)


[09-Aug-23 11:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	But we have about 6,000 unemployed Pioneers, which considering new bases add 200 each time on top of this doesn't look highly concerning to me. It's getting close though


[09-Aug-23 11:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Settelers we're drowning in, wish I could cull 5,000 but unfortunately not an option. Tech demand is unstable as ever and seems to be at a bit of a high currently with ~250 unemployed currently, which is a little close.


[09-Aug-23 11:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Engineers is currently on a demand of 247. Which isn't good as it's a ~10% demand, but that will only be being felt by the top engineer demands so is a very small handful of players.


[09-Aug-23 11:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Scientists don't matter as there's only 1 building on the whole planet using them and it mostly just oscilates around that demand long term


[09-Aug-23 11:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I have been easing off quite substantially on the POPI inputs largely as other players have been covering much of this, but also because Deimos is in debt (-350,186) but has been improving on that steadily. The player base expansion has increased COGC costs but not increased tax revenue much, especially as COGC inputs feel effect on inflation.


[09-Aug-23 11:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	All in all though the POPI situation looks like nothing a 10% festivitiy won't fix, or won't fix in two weeks. So that's what i'm queuing up :)


[09-Aug-23 11:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DraconisDomini**:	You could increase taxes a bit if it's an issue, especially on the higher tier pops.  That wouldn't effect new players and they are very low at the moment


[09-Aug-23 11:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	That is a very fair suggestion. I would like to get people's opinion on raising ENG taxes as ultimately that is where 90% of POPI expenses go to support


[09-Aug-23 11:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DraconisDomini**:	I would definitely support that


[09-Aug-23 11:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DraconisDomini**:	But then I don't have any ENG ;)


[09-Aug-23 11:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	(Majority of Deimos' expenses are COGC related though still)


[09-Aug-23 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DraconisDomini**:	I'd also be fully behind putting SET taxes up to 15 or 20.  That's common on most of the other planets I have bases on


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**Bobemor**:	SET ain't costing us anything so that seems unfair


[09-Aug-23 11:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Maybe we could charge Settlers users for the inconvenicene caused by their unemployed colleagues roaming the deserts of deimos...


[09-Aug-23 11:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DraconisDomini**:	You did just say most of the costs are CoGC, and everyone contributes to that cost


[09-Aug-23 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	I'm not against an increase in TEC and ENG


[09-Aug-23 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	as a 5% user of both :)


[09-Aug-23 12:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	raise them mofo'in taxes


[09-Aug-23 12:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DarkWatcher**:	Bang it like a wooden door in a hurricane


[09-Aug-23 12:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	What do you mean "COGC inputs feel effect on inflation"?


[09-Aug-23 12:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I should have said "COGC inputs feel affect of inflation"


[09-Aug-23 12:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiggingLake**:	If you are looking at taxes, raise the higher tier ones first: anyone running higher tier pops can probably easily afford even a big jump, and it is worth it for them to pay higher taxes if they can run their buildings at higher efficiency (since the buildings cost so much).


[09-Aug-23 12:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	COGC inputs aren't experiencing any inflation, quite the opposite actually. MCG, PE and DW have all gone down in price in recent months while RAT has remained flat other than a brief dip.


[09-Aug-23 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	You are correct actually. Prices seem to have been lowering on RAT and DW consistently in recent weeks. That's good news!


[09-Aug-23 12:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	(MCG I source for COGC has been sourced below market rate for a while)


[09-Aug-23 12:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	LST, SIO and H2O are all quite cheap now as well


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**melon164**:	I think I'm carrying a third of the ENG shortage (112/200).  I'd much rather pay higher taxes and have full employment, than have my ASMs running short


[09-Aug-23 02:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Higgsy**:	I'm for raising taxes


[09-Aug-23 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FEDO**:	same


[09-Aug-23 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	I'm all for raising taxes on engineer tier products to pay for engineer upkeep, just don't blame it on inflation


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**MemoryAlpha**:	I tried to at molp in pu discord after the live stream. I think part of their gov fix coming should address the ghost pop.


[09-Aug-23 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MemoryAlpha**:	Can make a forum post and people can try and upvote as well.


[09-Aug-23 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MemoryAlpha**:	If pio 75% of the employed pio were doing nothing on all the big starters I wouldn't be surprised.


[09-Aug-23 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MemoryAlpha**:	Raising taxes stops working by tier when your pop isn't producing.


[09-Aug-23 03:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Carcissia**:	I'd recommend having Metallurgy taxes across all tiers cover the CoGC costs and then having higher taxes on higher workforce tiers to cover POPI inputs


[09-Aug-23 03:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Unfortunately, we have no visibility on how much money comes from what tier of worker or industry.


[09-Aug-23 03:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Any word on when that governance update is coming?


[09-Aug-23 03:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Its not difficult to make educated guesses


[09-Aug-23 03:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Most people operate at around 150-160% effiency


[09-Aug-23 03:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	just mulitply total employed workforce by 160% by tax rate per 100 workers


[09-Aug-23 04:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	The devs said that the politics update would happen some time within the next 12 months


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**MemoryAlpha**:	total employed working force is a complete guess though. thats the issue with ghost pop


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**MemoryAlpha**:	can hold 100% of your workers until your account is deleted which can be a long time if u have some pro months when you quit


[09-Aug-23 05:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MemoryAlpha**:	montem might be at the point where max taxes on every tier don't cover expenses


[09-Aug-23 06:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	I think montem can still cover POPI with taxes... I just don;t think the majority of player would like it that way


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**muzamundi**:	i'm new here, any advice on making money around deimos?


[09-Aug-23 09:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	also any advice is welcome


[09-Aug-23 09:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Make AL and sell it


[09-Aug-23 09:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	in other words, this planet is set up for folks who are in the buisness of mining AL get better perks. You'll definitly grow fast.


[09-Aug-23 09:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	good to hear then, cause that's what i'm doing atm after i finish making the FE i started with


[09-Aug-23 09:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	should i make the FE into STL?


[09-Aug-23 09:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Yes, thats a 50% more profits. But remember, the economy needs FE and STL.  The prices will differ over time.


[09-Aug-23 09:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	can always set up for C or other supplies for smelting AL.. quite a few buyers for that stuff


[09-Aug-23 09:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i think for now i'll stick with AL since i can get that quite easy


[09-Aug-23 09:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	thanks for the advice


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**yngwette**:	use flux


[10-Aug-23 01:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	yes def flux it's worth the cost


[10-Aug-23 01:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	gotcha, next run i'll buy a bunch of flux


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[10-Aug-23 07:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	Just an FYI: If at any time you get a Pro License and thus access to the local markets, consider shipping some of your AL output to Nike instead of the CX. Nike uses tons of it, and you can get cheap LS for the return trip to make FLX out of


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**Yinxx**:	thank you


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[10-Aug-23 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Shools23**:	hey all. I'm new here also. planning to ramp up on AL. Hopefully I like this game enough to go pro. Any other pro users here?


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**RiseofFilth**:	A lot of us


[10-Aug-23 07:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	All the kool kids have pro


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[11-Aug-23 02:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	green username fellas have pro. Definitely recommend pro for people that have been playing awhile and have enough capital to move stock prices up and down. But of course, get pro if you want to read the charts too.


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**DarkWatcher**:	@yinxx sorry to step in. green name fellas are supporters that have/had pro ;)


[11-Aug-23 05:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Joe_Biden_UwU**:	I formerly had one


[11-Aug-23 05:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Joe_Biden_UwU**:	yet I don't have the green name thing, I ain't complaining just saying.


[11-Aug-23 05:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Joe_Biden_UwU**:	Oh supporters


[11-Aug-23 05:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Joe_Biden_UwU**:	shoot, maybe I should read a bit more lol...


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**DarkWatcher**:	when you buy the supporter pack they come with a certain amount of pro time depending on package :P


[11-Aug-23 05:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	lol whoops, thanks for the clarification. @DarkWatche


[11-Aug-23 05:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DarkWatcher**:	its all good :D


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**LargeFoot**:	green is pro?


[12-Aug-23 08:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	my life consists of lies


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**LargeFoot**:	I have a pro license but no green, I am experiencing green envy


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**Hernanduer**:	no, green is supporter


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**Yinxx**:	i have created fake news, so sorry.    ( ╯□╰ )


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**DarkWatcher**:	Lol are we still talking about this 😂


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**RiseofFilth**:	HEY THAT GUY IS A PHONY


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**Shools23**:	I"m trying to get traction with AL but early game seems pretty slow going. is this normal? am I missing something?


[12-Aug-23 05:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Shools23**:	any tips for a new guy trying to get rolling


[12-Aug-23 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	The early game is really slow. You’ll probably be on your second base by day 40-60. Focus on building up and filling out your current base. It may take some time to get enough money to expand


[12-Aug-23 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Although with your starting cash you can buy a building or two


[12-Aug-23 06:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Sell most your fuel for starting cash, send you ships slow


[12-Aug-23 06:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	Hmmm, I'd rather keep the fuel since you get a bunch of money from contracts at the start


[12-Aug-23 06:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	plus at the end (wish i knew this) you get enough building mats to make one resource building


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**Yinxx**:	day 40-60!!!!!!, oh no..


[13-Aug-23 12:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Take your time to get a second base, make sure you have settled down, and you have a steady amount of income.


[13-Aug-23 12:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	I personally will not be expanding until i build new ships, and my steady profits are at least 30-40% of the cost to start up my second base, Including, Consumable costs, for the type of Work Force is needed.


[13-Aug-23 12:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	I'm a construction company, my profits and equity is going to be different compared to other Industries.


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**Inforiel**:	I expanded as fast as I could myself, with a corp giving long-term payment on supplies / some loans - You can a for a new base every 14 days if you really want to and spend the next month paying all profit into the loans.


[13-Aug-23 03:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	But if you're focusing on playing free maybe 3 months until 2nd base - Depending on profitable your setup gets, ofc - Then could possibly really push to get another 3 bases in the following 3-4 months.


[13-Aug-23 03:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	While not impossible, you could have your 6 permits and HQ level 5 set up in under a year of gametime even playing decently casually


[13-Aug-23 03:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	It would still demand a fair bit of activity I think.


[13-Aug-23 03:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	..Need my coffee, rambling


[13-Aug-23 03:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**misiaell**:	Hi, why i don't recive any contracs since 16 days?


[13-Aug-23 05:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	the contracts can be turned off, maybe you did this accidentally?


[13-Aug-23 05:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	in the "fa ai" buffer, at the very bottom, make sure the "receive contract offers" is turned on


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**Hernanduer**:	the faction contracts also come out 1 at a time, so if you didn't accept or decline the last batch, then you won't get more


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**LargeFoot**:	Anybody got 1 BTA to spare? on LM if so, thanks


[13-Aug-23 12:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**misiaell**:	Thanks a lot LargeFoot <3 that worka


[13-Aug-23 12:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**misiaell**:	Works


[13-Aug-23 12:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	no problem


[13-Aug-23 12:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**misiaell**:	Any tips for begginer?


[13-Aug-23 01:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	how much would a different planet be better than a starting one? like is it reasonable to go look for something with more resources / less people, or the difference is not that big?


[13-Aug-23 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	it depends on what you want to do there. e.g there's nothing better than Deimos for AL smelting. but if you're doing construction, Nike is better


[13-Aug-23 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	rule of thumb: look for matching COGC


[13-Aug-23 01:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	and don't rush it - wait until you run out of space on your starting planet, or close


[13-Aug-23 01:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**otakakot**:	i want to go to some kind of a less-explored planet but i want to manage my expectations


[13-Aug-23 01:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	well, at the beginning it's best to stick to planets already settled. when you know the game better, you may consider settling a new one, but it's a big investment. and at this stage of the universe, most of the good planets are settled anyway


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**otakakot**:	yeah i guess so


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**otakakot**:	okay thank you!


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**Blindness**:	WOAH


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**Blindness**:	i have no idea what to do lol


[14-Aug-23 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Do the starter contracts, watch the tutorial videos, read the wiki


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**Blindness**:	alr


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**I_am_Tex**:	The tutorial is really good if you work through it.  The game is relatively slow, that is a big part of its appeal to most of us.  Don’t be afraid to ask questions, but you will likely get faster answers in global chat than on the planet specific channel because there are more people there.  And welcome!!


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**Blindness**:	how do i get some basic bulkhead i think i spent them all and now i can build the plant i was supposed to be building in the tutorials


[14-Aug-23 12:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Blindness**:	im kinda stuck i cant do anything


[14-Aug-23 12:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Blindness**:	?


[14-Aug-23 12:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	you can demolish whatever you've built, if you do it quickly you'll recover all the materials


[14-Aug-23 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	You can buy more on the CX


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**SpaceMike**:	Is there a way to calculate flight costs between 2 points when none of your ships are there/free?


[14-Aug-23 01:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MemoryAlpha**:	BLU lets u test


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**SpaceMike**:	Thank you!


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**Bobemor**:	Demolishing buildings in under 24 hours means you get all the materials back so nothing lost :)


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**FidelCashflow**:	wow gave the boys cof and slashed nearly three hours off the smelters, stuff really works


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**Yinxx**:	Our governer has spoken


[15-Aug-23 02:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	OOOOooooOOoOooOooOooOOOooOO


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**juicyfur**:	v


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**Aeper**:	Just put 1,000 FLX on the LM in batches of 200 for 140/u.


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**Bobemor**:	Decent POPR, will do another FES2


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**ludaduma**:	hey all..i need urgently some C and O till my suply ship come..any1 can help with any amounts plz?


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**ludaduma**:	no1 can help?


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**Churaviis**:	Post an ad with a 1 day tail and I'm sure someone will pick it up


[17-Aug-23 05:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**ludaduma**:	i posted ads ty..hope some1 will help


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**RNGzero**:	fulfilled the O


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**Churaviis**:	You've got C now


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**muzamundi**:	someone send me some free C


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**LargeFoot**:	ALO contract on LM, 90/unit due to urgency


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**Cataclism**:	@LargeFoot


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**LargeFoot**:	Thanks :)


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**Cataclism**:	@Largefoot Check your COMS


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**muzamundi**:	So how'd i get a loan or make one?


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**Churaviis**:	It's a private contract you can make with another player, just choose the loan template you want once you've found someone you want to partner with


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**VaZZoN96**:	I've bought some things on antares trading station without realizing i don't have storage unit there. What happened to things I've bought?


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**I_am_Tex**:	You will have a no cost storage contract at the exchange.  Check your contracts when you have a ship at the station and you’ll be able to get the goods


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**p1pb0y**:	hi


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**Yinxx**:	howdy


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**RNGzero**:	Hey there


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**shiba.inu**:	guys can someone sell me 14 mcg? it seems i'm not that good at math :D


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**Rento247**:	I gotchu ^_^


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**shiba.inu**:	thx homie :D


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**Rento247**:	np~ :D


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**ChineseEarthquake**:	stranded until someone can fill my FF order on LM.. 😟


[22-Aug-23 10:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	I got you


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[23-Aug-23 07:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Well the Engineer demand evaporated into thin air over a week. Would be interested to hear from the player/s who demolished Engineer buildings


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**Yinxx**:	They didnt like our planet so they moved (possibly) Big sad


[23-Aug-23 06:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	why dose C cost so much....


[23-Aug-23 06:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	because a lot of players buy C instead of producing it


[23-Aug-23 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i wanna make it but i need money for that and since i make metals i need C


[23-Aug-23 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	see the problem i'm having


[23-Aug-23 07:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	true... you could setup a farm and 2 INC to make some here


[23-Aug-23 07:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	not a super long term solution, but can meet your needs till your on a 2nd or 3rd base


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**existence**:	yeah C cost got wayyy to high for me so I started producing my own like 6 months ago


[23-Aug-23 09:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Long term you'll want to grow crops on Harmonia and then burn them on Nascent.


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**Kindling**:	👋 Time to start digging up some ALO


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	More ALO is always a good thing!


[24-Aug-23 04:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Elkar**:	I'm curious, do you know which one of the C recipes is more efficient, if I also need to build farms? I'm not sure about GRN -> C  vs HCP+GRN -> C


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[24-Aug-23 06:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	@kindling is an expert on C. out of single-input recipes, I prefer MAI over GRN


[24-Aug-23 06:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kindling**:	I haven't looked much at the different recipes for a long time now. I only run the fast GRN/MAI/HCP recipe, b.c my calculations at the time (over 6 months ago) pointed to more total profits/day doing that rather than trying to minimize cost per unit. If you want to produce lots of C that way though, be prepared for quite a lot of hauling


[24-Aug-23 07:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kindling**:	A tool like https://prunplanner.org/ is perfect for doing that kind of playing around and comparing different setups of C production. If you haven't checked that out already, I highly recommend giving it a try!


[24-Aug-23 07:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Elkar**:	thanks for the info!


[24-Aug-23 09:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	Anybody have a cup of BSE I could borrow? I literally need 1


[24-Aug-23 09:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	I'll put an order in for a little over current CX


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**Emperyan**:	Thanks!


[24-Aug-23 10:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	The biggest constraint to C production is burnable crops because there are few fertile worlds and farms take up a ton of area so I recommend the MAI recipe as it grows slightly faster and optimizes your farm production. You can always build more incinerators


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	There is another option: people have made millions going full-tilt focusing on C-production!


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**muzamundi**:	if the price wasn't so much i would just buy off the market, but since the price is like 600 each i may as well make my own.


[24-Aug-23 05:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i understand we're trying to make as much money as we can, but to sell it for that much is just greedy


[24-Aug-23 05:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	to think it was selling around 400 at one point


[24-Aug-23 10:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Careful, the carbon market swings up and down as high prices induce more people to make it but by the time they finish setting up their production chain so has everyone else and the price drops until the reverse happens


[25-Aug-23 12:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Kindling**:	@mazamundi It's not quite as simple as "selling at high price is greedy". I could for example sell for substantially lower than the current CX price, but then I would most likely just feed resellers, who buy my wares and then instantly just re-lists it on the market closer to the current market price (that being "what people are prepared to pay for it"). The solution to the price problem is to make sure the supply is increased to match demand.


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**Churaviis**:	Even if it's not resellers who buy it, a high price send a signal to producers to make more, increasing supply


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**Inforiel**:	Selling some LHP at 2K/u on LM


[25-Aug-23 09:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Note mixed currency of CIS / AIC on the ads so you don't pick one you can't pay for, please


[25-Aug-23 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**xFEUERDRACHENx**:	Hi everybody,


[25-Aug-23 10:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**xFEUERDRACHENx**:	I am looking for a corporation with Anatares Fraction. Is anybody here?


[25-Aug-23 10:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Domicius**:	There's many, but they will generally expect you to be a Pro user (or an ex-pro user)


[25-Aug-23 10:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Domicius**:	Just so that you can make contracts


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**xFEUERDRACHENx**:	ahh ok thanks for the info.. I will do it but laiter in a few weeks. Makes at the moment no sense with 2 Fabrics


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**Gilith**:	it's funny to read accusations of greed in a game that is, in substantial part, about making money


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**RiseofFilth**:	Real life also generally includes making money. I would imagine such an accusation would imply some ethical or moral failing in said person's pursuit of making money, generally when it comes at excessive manipulation or unfair taking advantage of another person or the community as a whole


[25-Aug-23 08:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	as it does IRL


[25-Aug-23 08:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	hence why robbing banks, embezzling, and fraud are *generally* outlawed


[25-Aug-23 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i see my distain for high prices for C has sparked an interesting convo. while it is right for the sellers to sell C at whatever price they want they can. this is more coming out more of annoyance since it's hard and slow enough for newer corps to grow since it's a basic resource, while in doing so would also decrease the cost for making said goods with C.


[25-Aug-23 11:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	so in the end i see it as a win win for all, people keep buying C and not just self produce it, price for the goods who use it will fall and we can have a somewhat face and stable ecosystem for basic goods


[25-Aug-23 11:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Duthan**:	I sell C, but I don't make the market. It'd be dumb for me to list it way outside the existing price band.


[25-Aug-23 11:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	safe abd stable*


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**muzamundi**:	....


[25-Aug-23 11:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	AND


[25-Aug-23 11:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	you are right mate, you'll be a fool not to sell it at much as you can


[25-Aug-23 11:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	it's just people who use it will end up making their own C and in the long run that's who make C to sell will suffer


[25-Aug-23 11:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	those who make it*


[25-Aug-23 11:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	plus since this is a planet the focused on making metals, the idea of making a good that is majorly used cost so much just seems so silly to me.


[25-Aug-23 11:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	but never the less, in a day or two i won't have to worry about C since i will be making it myself cause of the very high price


[26-Aug-23 12:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	If any of you folks are producing BSE, the price dropped this week and you will be making 11% of profits compared to 75% a week prior


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**Kindling**:	@muzamundi That in my opinion is the correct response to seeing very high prices. Make it yourself if it is actually more profitable for you to do so than buying it on the market. It might not be super efficient, but that doesn't really matter until the prices drop, and then you can go back to buying it instead and focusing on what you really want to produce.


[26-Aug-23 07:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	that's the plan mate, it set me back a few dollerydoos, but it'll work out in the long run too


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**jelutz77**:	I make all my C, but sell some extra on the market too


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**Yinxx**:	he speaks


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**Bobemor**:	Following the consulation I have raised taxes on TEC (10->30), ENG (10->70), and SCI (10->50). Still substantially lower than comparable planets. This should increase Deimos's revenues a bit without making any material impact on players.


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**Yinxx**:	Very nice. Thank you for being reasonable.


[28-Aug-23 03:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Tax revenues for last week were: 263,150, the fifth highest tax return ever.


[28-Aug-23 04:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	can i have it all?


[28-Aug-23 04:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	so lower taxes on SCI than on ENG? why? not that it matters much with 30 SCI, just looks weird


[28-Aug-23 05:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	@Gilith Yeah does look different but given there's only demand for 20 SCI on the planet and the Engineer demand they really aren't costing a whole lot. It felt fairest to represent that way. If SCI demand explode would need to address but the one person using SCI is costing less than someone wanting 20 ENGs


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**Gilith**:	OK


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**Hernanduer**:	not sure who's putting such an expensive building here that requires SCI when there are no metallurgical SCI buildings


[28-Aug-23 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	but to each their own, I suppose


[28-Aug-23 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	An SPF making NOZ from ASM products would be plausible from a shipping-logistics perspective


[28-Aug-23 09:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	yeah, I suppose, but why not just leave it to the 50 ENG? Feeding 20 SCI at reduced efficiencies is close to not worth it


[28-Aug-23 09:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	I worked out that feeding the SCI was just about worth it, but I wouldn't personally pay for a HB5 or HBL just for them, no


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**Hernanduer**:	+ all that extra land those take


[28-Aug-23 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	opportunity cost


[28-Aug-23 10:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	LM ad posted going Deimos -> BEN for 10k and at a small size. Not autoprovisioned.


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**Bobemor**:	Convenience of reduced logistics can be a strong incentive over scraping out narrow opportunity cost gains.


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**Bobemor**:	I'd also remind people that it would be good to build any Engineer buildings they want prior to the POPR which is in ~24 hours


[29-Aug-23 06:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Camscade**:	Hello, new to PU here. On what are these taxes applied ? building cost ? inbound and oubound cargo ? production ? ( sorry if the question is dumb, I try to learn )


[29-Aug-23 07:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Taxes are applied to production and your production screen will tell you how much you're paying for each order


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**Camscade**:	ok thanks


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**ChineseEarthquake**:	let me know if anyone has a ship coming from ANT to deimos in the next few hours with some extra space..


[29-Aug-23 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	There are lots of ships going that route, put up an lm ad with a decent offer and a one day deadline and I'm sure it will get picked up quick


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**Maddenhenge**:	question, is all i can really do just set up the production line orders and walk away for 3 days?


[29-Aug-23 03:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	well you can run shipments, but you have to have pro


[29-Aug-23 03:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	ah


[29-Aug-23 03:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	that's a lot more exciting and great use of idle ships at the start


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**Maddenhenge**:	so id have to spend money basically


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**Hernanduer**:	it's just an option that exists now, it's not something established by the developers


[29-Aug-23 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	ah ok


[29-Aug-23 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	you're free to play for free, it can be a slower start without the shipping


[29-Aug-23 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	makes sense


[29-Aug-23 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	you can learn the systems and start planning things and reading up on tools


[29-Aug-23 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	most of the game requires outside tools to really manage things, especially at scale


[29-Aug-23 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	i just ask because, i set up a 3 day 3 hr extraction thing and a smelter for 2 days after that


[29-Aug-23 03:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	yeah, you can do smaller runs if you think you'll be on when they finish


[29-Aug-23 03:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	being available when things are done is the key without recurring orders


[29-Aug-23 03:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	makes sense


[29-Aug-23 03:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Biggest issue with running big orders IMO is when you handle massive tonnage - can be a real hassle sorting out metal in particular since you need lots of STO to ensure there is space for orders and fresh mats


[29-Aug-23 03:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	ah


[29-Aug-23 03:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	yea i basically set up a 5 order of the aluminum ore, and then a 5 order of aluminum being smelted


[29-Aug-23 03:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	for 70 ore and 15 processed


[29-Aug-23 03:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	if the SME are idley waiting too


[29-Aug-23 03:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	that's not ideal


[29-Aug-23 03:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	i dont really have much more of a choice, just waiting on the extractor to do its thing so smelter can do its


[29-Aug-23 03:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	i assume the ore comes in all at once?


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**muzamundi**:	damn, a lot of people are joining. did something happened?


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**muzamundi**:	good to see C is now 620 too, glad i'm making my own now


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**muzamundi**:	oh damn, it was 680 at one point... i dodge a bullet


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**Maddenhenge**:	@muzamundi basically a stellaris creator named ASpec put an ad for this at the start of his video today


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**muzamundi**:	gotcha, haven't watched any of his videos in a long time


[29-Aug-23 11:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	ye, where i showed up from


[30-Aug-23 12:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	welcome then, hope you stick around


[30-Aug-23 12:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	what industry are you starting on?


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**Renegade_Actual**:	Hey, I am new to this; anything I need to know about resource extractor orders or do I just put that shit to max and leave it?


[30-Aug-23 12:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i do enough for a day


[30-Aug-23 12:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i've been around for 2 weeks so far and been trying to time up my production


[30-Aug-23 12:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i'm just making AL


[30-Aug-23 12:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Renegade_Actual**:	okay nevermind I watched the tutorial and it said to just keep it at 1


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**Yinxx**:	This planet has been very active this week, Good folk


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**szedalt**:	Could anyone spare 20 RAT? I've miscalculated a bit my planet's needs. Ad is on the local market.


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**Churaviis**:	Put up an ad at a high CX price with a one day deadline and I'm sure someone will pick it up


[30-Aug-23 11:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**szedalt**:	Already done, thank you @chineseearthquake!


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**ChineseEarthquake**:	👁️👄👁️


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**jelutz77**:	@muzamundi it may help to change the ore to 1 recipe; you'll get more than 1 qty out of it. Then the smelter can start doing its thing and get you product faster.


[30-Aug-23 04:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	If you cancel the extraction, you'll get a pro-rated amount back, and you may be able to smelt something right away


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**4Nocturnals**:	I have enough resources for first 2 hab modules and prefab plant but not enough to make new resource buildings, what do i do to get more?


[30-Aug-23 06:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	just follow the basic help guide and you'll get enough to make one


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**Renegade_Actual**:	How is everyone doing today?


[31-Aug-23 12:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**szedalt**:	Good, how about you?


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**Renegade_Actual**:	Pretty good, just producing some AL


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[31-Aug-23 07:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	last time i make AU.... i knew gold was heavy but 40 = 800t needed 2 ships to carry it to the station


[31-Aug-23 07:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	but it was so cheap to make and a lot to sell


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**Maddenhenge**:	lol


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**Churaviis**:	WCB upgrades are not too expensive


[31-Aug-23 11:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	yeah, let me a 2 week old player fork out 400k. to upgrade my ship, also i need pro too


[31-Aug-23 11:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i'll be lucky enough to make 40k a day now i got everything running


[31-Aug-23 11:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	2 week old player's usually don't mess around with gold at all


[31-Aug-23 11:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	true, but i saw how cheap it was to make and sell


[31-Aug-23 11:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	if it's profitable.. sure go for it


[31-Aug-23 11:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	but there may be some reason for that xD


[31-Aug-23 11:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	cost me like 8k for the ore and i can sell the gold for a 32k profit


[31-Aug-23 11:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	could try listing some as well... could get a bit more (never know)


[31-Aug-23 11:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i'll pass on gold for now... it's too heavy, even for my base i had to buy some warehouses


[31-Aug-23 11:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	yeah.. AU certainly gets a lot heavier after being refined


[31-Aug-23 11:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	could attempt a metal studio to use it


[31-Aug-23 11:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	for 40 bars, it's bit less than 800t


[31-Aug-23 11:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	nah, not at that point yet, just trying to build up a safe and basic industry with smelters atm


[31-Aug-23 11:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	sounds good!


[31-Aug-23 11:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	just make a bunch of AL and SI


[31-Aug-23 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	maybe once i get bigger ships and more inventory space, i'll go back to gold if it's selling well


[31-Aug-23 11:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	yeah... AL has been in-demand for a bit


[31-Aug-23 11:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	how glad i am it is


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[01-Sep-23 03:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	Hey! Do you think that is profitable extracting and processing AL here?


[01-Sep-23 03:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RNGzero**:	certainly is!


[01-Sep-23 03:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	Thanks! I'm gonna invest in AL then ;)


[01-Sep-23 03:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	make sure to use the better FLX.AI1 smelter recipe


[01-Sep-23 03:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	Yeah. Thanks for the advice


[01-Sep-23 03:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	How do you put the link to an object in the chat?


[01-Sep-23 03:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	[ticker].[market identifier code]


[01-Sep-23 03:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	Ohhh cool!


[01-Sep-23 03:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	AL.AI1


[01-Sep-23 03:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	Wow


[01-Sep-23 03:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	Thanks!


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**Gilith**:	if gold is taking too much space, compress it to connectors - HCC BGC


[01-Sep-23 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**ItalKronin**:	I was going to ask if the FLX recipe was good but it appears I was anticipated


[01-Sep-23 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	FLX.AC1 costs way less than the extra AL.AC1 you get from it, and while the craft time is longer it's only by ~25% whereas AL is worth ~3x as much as FLX


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[01-Sep-23 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	its just worth doing


[01-Sep-23 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	and if you set up your own carbon production, which is possible


[01-Sep-23 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	your only importing consumables and flux


[01-Sep-23 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	assuming you make oxygen as well


[01-Sep-23 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	takes a decent bit of space and workers to do


[01-Sep-23 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	but, 2 extractors, 1 collector, 2 farms, 3 incens, and a rig can support 4 smelteries


[01-Sep-23 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	using the flux recipe


[01-Sep-23 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	and your only importing flux


[01-Sep-23 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	as well as consumables


[01-Sep-23 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	https://prunplanner.org/plan/ZV-759c/9911fe69-3549-46d0-a82a-9a3b75ac1c4b


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**muzamundi**:	@Maddenhenge you using just GRN to burn?


[01-Sep-23 06:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	ye


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**muzamundi**:	good to know. i was wondering how many i'll need to keep my smelters running


[01-Sep-23 07:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	then again i think i won't need as much cause i'm making SI too


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[01-Sep-23 08:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	If making AU also look at how much is selling, not just the price.


[01-Sep-23 08:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Be careful, the AU market is small and you could easily oversaturate it and send prices down if you make too much too quickly


[01-Sep-23 09:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	don't worry i'm watching


[01-Sep-23 09:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	someone got a buy order for 1.2k per AU for 200


[01-Sep-23 09:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	and it took me 6 days to make 40


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**muzamundi**:	just a heads up, made a nice 52k off the 40 gold


[02-Sep-23 06:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	8200 for the ore + 6 days, i'd say worth it


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**I_am_Tex**:	Nice!


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**Bobemor**:	Deimos being full is kinda sad :(


[02-Sep-23 04:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	there was exactly 1 plot open yesterday, but now it's +16 lol


[02-Sep-23 05:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kubernetes**:	it's probably good for everyone already on deimos


[02-Sep-23 05:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Also, anybody starting new can get a plot regardless


[02-Sep-23 05:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	how does it get +16 lol


[02-Sep-23 06:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kubernetes**:	new players and I think if you're already here and expand that takes up a plot


[02-Sep-23 06:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	you can't make new bases on planets you already have a base on


[02-Sep-23 06:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	and expanding with permits doesn't take up more plots


[02-Sep-23 06:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	I was about to say


[02-Sep-23 06:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Ryvi**:	Hello! Asking here as well just in case, so I discovered there is a local market as well, does shipping mean I pay people to ship stuff for me or is it people paying me to ship staff for them?


[02-Sep-23 06:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	People are paying you to ship their goods/


[02-Sep-23 06:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Ryvi**:	Thank you!


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[03-Sep-23 05:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	So yeah there's currently 16 'Ghost plots'. That's 16 new players with bases after the place filled. I expect that to go down a bit over next couple days (some will be accounts that played once and never again and they get deleted quickly) but hard to say.


[03-Sep-23 05:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	is this the first time deimos has been overpopulated


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[03-Sep-23 09:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	No, Deimos was overpopulated before when there was a big surge with the Steam release


[03-Sep-23 10:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**ChineseEarthquake**:	Also about a month ago or so there was a wave of new players that briefly overpopulated it. I know someone who rushed a ship here to settle as the number went down and I noticed it go negative for a few days


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[03-Sep-23 01:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Lots of shipping ads posted going Deimos -> ANT for 10k each. Unlike last time, there's no hard limit to how many you can accept. Just please only accept as many as you can reasonably take.


[03-Sep-23 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	yea i saw that, if they stay up until after im done taking my stuff to market tonight, i can take 1 at a time


[03-Sep-23 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Great way to make money as a new player


[03-Sep-23 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	You can take one now if you want, Delivery time of 3 days


[03-Sep-23 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	i might, wouldnt be really delivered for probably 36-48 hours though


[03-Sep-23 01:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	ship 3 hrs to deimos, 9.5 hours to  my stuff being done, then gotta send and come back


[03-Sep-23 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Knarfaction**:	i will leave your ads for new players :)


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**yngwette**:	to repair or scrap my hwp, that is the question..


[03-Sep-23 02:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	i wonder how many hwps have died since the patch


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**LargeFoot**:	Does anybody have a random Large FTL emitter for sale?


[04-Sep-23 09:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Triqueon**:	No, but I have a ship idling at the CX if you need one transported.


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**Archiel**:	Welcome to Deimos, new folks!


[04-Sep-23 02:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	I have lots of LFEs for sale, @LargeFoot, but they are at the CX


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**LargeFoot**:	Ok, thanks Archiel


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**gandum**:	hey there


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**Luubstar**:	Hey @gandum


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**Yinxx**:	Someone Manufacture Medium Fastener Kits, ANT is out of them!!!!!


[05-Sep-23 08:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	too poor


[05-Sep-23 09:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	@Yinxx i put an LM ad. i usually don't sell them, but i would if i had a guarantee that they'll hold their value


[05-Sep-23 11:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**existence**:	lol thats not something i expected to see


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**Hernanduer**:	no engineers :(


[06-Sep-23 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	If you look at the POPR of the past 4 months, other than a someone taking down their base to the tune of 200 engineers, the gov (+ all the other people donating, despite the fact they shouldnt have to)has never provided sufficient upkeep to maintain the ENG pop. But yall keep voting for him, so im not sure why you are surprised


[06-Sep-23 08:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Put stupid in, you get stupid out


[06-Sep-23 09:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Sorry Bob, but this has gone on a long time now. Your ideology of "governors don't pay for high-tier consumables, so the taxes are cheap" isn't working.


[06-Sep-23 09:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	gonna try to get someone else voted in?


[06-Sep-23 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	If you all want to see change, a governor that will maintain pop and charge fair taxes to do so, vote for Paris


[06-Sep-23 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	how much will the taxes go up compared to now for lower end players?


[06-Sep-23 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	If you need proof why its a good decision, just look at any popr for the last 4 months. There has never been enough upkeep provided. The planet is carried on the backs of donors.


[06-Sep-23 09:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	like, im still just making aluminum to send to market, along with sometimes some extra mat overflow from production lines for aluminum


[06-Sep-23 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	We have talked in this channel before. The only significant increase will be for techs and up. Pios will likely not see any increase. But I'll let Paris confirm that himself.


[06-Sep-23 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	ah ok, worth asking anyway, mainly cause ive not seen yall before im pretty new


[06-Sep-23 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	let's goooo


[06-Sep-23 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	@maddenhenge thank you for asking questions! It is an important aspect of the game. Large planets need a gov that gives a shit about the planet's needs.


[06-Sep-23 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	ill be honest, ive only been playing a week but i dont think ive ever seen bob in the chat here


[06-Sep-23 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	This has been on going problem. He has promised in previous months to do better and nothing changes


[06-Sep-23 09:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	If you are reading this, im asking ya to vote for Paris


[06-Sep-23 09:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	for a corp named deimos govenorship, he seems to be sitting on his laurels for deimos too much


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[06-Sep-23 09:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	I do like the meticulous bookkeeping, just that the game isn't really ready for that level of handling


[06-Sep-23 09:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	sounds like in a year what Bob has been trying will be more feasible


[06-Sep-23 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**nomadhunter**:	is there a link to the bookkeeping somewhere?


[06-Sep-23 10:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Anpache**:	What's the proposed fix? What would Paris do differently?


[06-Sep-23 10:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	My plan as Governor:


[06-Sep-23 10:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	- increase the infrastructure of the SST, INF, PAR & ARC by at least one level, if not two. This I will do on my own account to make the consumables used more effective.


[06-Sep-23 10:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	- Spend consumables to build the high-tier POPs, while keeping the low-tier POPs under control.


[06-Sep-23 10:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	- Run high-tier POP attraction programs until the problem is sorted out. I plan to not run Festivals unless it's the best option.


[06-Sep-23 10:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	- Supply as much of the consumables in-house to keep costs down (currently planned to supply 100% either myself or in-corp)


[06-Sep-23 10:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	- Increase taxes to be in-line with other high-POP planets in the area. Somewhere between Nike and Hephaestus.


[06-Sep-23 10:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	How badly would the taxes increase for the average player? 10%, 20% or something else


[06-Sep-23 10:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Taxes: PIO would stay the same (supporting new players is important)


[06-Sep-23 10:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	As I said, taxes for higher POPs would increase to be in-line with other planets of the same size/type. Look to Nike and Hephaestus as examples of well-run planet with fair taxes.


[06-Sep-23 10:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	You've got my support, Paris!


[06-Sep-23 10:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Anpache**:	Madden, I would be very surprised if you're looking at anything more than a 5-10% net increase, but the general health of the planet's economy can end up more than making up for it long term, especially as you grow.


[06-Sep-23 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	good to know, numbers and being a skeptic have kept my ass out of fire a few times


[06-Sep-23 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	gotta ask things


[06-Sep-23 11:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	book keeping: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BBQondhXhq2YzHCEDzlWVcZX3AAZ5HyE9J4lJcDAxx0/edit?usp=sharing

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BBQondhXhq2YzHCEDzlWVcZX3AAZ5HyE9J4lJcDAxx0/edit?usp=sharing
Deimos Accounting
General Accounting


Deimos,Total
Treasury Prior, £ 1,297,702 ,Remaining Treasury,MAT,Reason,Unit,Rate,Total
02/01, £ 13,440 , £ 1,311,142 , £ (702,083),03/01,TRU,SST2,12, £ 175.00 , £ (2,100.00), £ (2,100.00)
09/01, £ 97,230 , £ 1,408,372 ,03/01,BTA,SST2,7, £ 600.00 , £ (4,200.00), £ (6,300.00),...
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/R1kQP9otnxiJTcOm-8nJcopl0v_srYkHMUVwRHnv1gU/https/lh3.googleusercontent.com/docs/AOD9vFowoHnT2I2Xmy41xn3jxbWrupVuGcSnQuGxZ2viPGWSZnCc7ZcCJrrxNoFN8QSch0OSRTgYrcuEu59nYU33w5jrs8uSEnKGlFxWWh9AoMb-%3Dw1200-h630-p


[06-Sep-23 11:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Same link as always, also available on the UFO Discord channel


[06-Sep-23 11:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Paris is suggesting a rise a tax on Engineers from 70 (this was recently 10) to ~1440. So roughly a 20x increase. Just for easy context.


[06-Sep-23 11:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	It is worth noting that currently Deimos has INCREDIBLY low tax rates. It is also worth noting that the profit margins for an ENG building are often higher so a higher tax rate is probably less significant, and a multiplication of a small number may seem higher. But still 20x tax increase for Engineers (maybe not in non-metallurgy industrys) is Paris' suggestion.


[06-Sep-23 11:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Ah slight correction Paris would be unable to raise taxes as high as on Heph and Nike as they have wider tax thresholds. He would only be able to raise ENG taxes to 1080. So ~15x. My mistake


[06-Sep-23 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	@Paris_In_Springtime I assume you would, like other OOG run planets, be using the general OOG corporation. As such accounting of Deimos finances would be impossible. But you/OOG would be taking entire financial responsibility for Deimos regardless?


[06-Sep-23 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	It sounds to me like you are pulling those numbers out of thin air


[06-Sep-23 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	You are welcome to look at the local rules of any planet for comapirsion @Riseoffilth


[06-Sep-23 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I used the buffers LR ZV-759c, LR ZV-307c, and LR ZV-194a


[06-Sep-23 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	In reference to claiming what the new tax rate is going to be


[06-Sep-23 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	First you say you know is going to do 1440. Then suddenly it cant be that


[06-Sep-23 11:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Im curious how you know exactly what number hes going to do


[06-Sep-23 11:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	To be fair to Bob, I didn't state the numbers directly, and Heph has a rate of 1,440 for non-COGC jobs.


[06-Sep-23 11:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	In my opinion, Deimos being a starter planet means there shouldn't be anything limiting new players trying out different constructions (even if they don't align with the COGC).


[06-Sep-23 11:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I did make the mistake in assuming Heph and Nike have the same tax threshold as Deimos. But Paris did say he would sat taxes inbetween those two planets, so hence my incorrect assumption.


[06-Sep-23 11:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	So Bob states as definitive fact as a criticism that the number is going to be explicitly Heph's Non-COGC tax rate


[06-Sep-23 11:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	My suggestion is: PIO 10 / SET 20 / TEC 50 / ENG 450 / SCI 1,000


[06-Sep-23 11:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	apologies for not stating them outright earlier. It would have prevented this misunderstanding


[06-Sep-23 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Okay, so taxes substantially lower than Heph and Nike. Fair enough, good to clarify :)


[06-Sep-23 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	COGC tax on Heph is 450


[06-Sep-23 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	so its not lower


[06-Sep-23 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	its exactly the same


[06-Sep-23 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	(if you follow COGC)


[06-Sep-23 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Ah is Heph's COGC Manuf? Wasn't aware, my misunderstanding


[06-Sep-23 11:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	and Nike is only 400


[06-Sep-23 11:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	To reiterate, its 450, not 1440 or 1050 or whatever. And every person with engineers in this channel in previous weeks have asked for taxes to be raised if it means getting maxed pop and not sudden drops in workers


[06-Sep-23 11:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	and nothing has changed


[06-Sep-23 11:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	The other players who contribute as much as the governor to upkeep have spoken in this channel in previous weeks agreeing that taxes should cover the cost to adequately fund upkeep


[06-Sep-23 11:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	and nothing has changed


[06-Sep-23 11:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I raised the taxes over a week ago in response to that feedback.


[06-Sep-23 12:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	and immediately lost 100 ENG and a few SCI since then?


[06-Sep-23 12:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
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[06-Sep-23 12:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	at first, all the engineers wanted was to do some metallurgy, but they quickly lost heart when they saw the state mandated massage chairs provided on phobos to all the com sci majors who barely passed freshman physics


[06-Sep-23 12:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Due to a sudden an unexpected fall in demand of Engineers, and then a sudden unexpected rise in demand.


[06-Sep-23 12:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	To be fair, there have been hundreds of open ENG jobs for the past few months. This was only resolved by the parties leaving, not the jobs being filled


[06-Sep-23 12:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	5 months


[06-Sep-23 12:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Look at each infrastructure. SST: The gov donated the majority of it in the past month with some coming from Sardonis. INF: The gov last donated 20 days ago with mats that are still good, and Sardonis donated 1.5 months of TUB. PAR: The Gov has donated a significant amount of DW with Kalleria and Sardonis(mostly the latter) donating 30 days of mats. ART: ONLY SARDONIS has contributed in the last month. UNI: The gov donated 2 items, one of which has expired.


[06-Sep-23 12:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	The result is, if we only looked what the gov has donated: Culture would be zero, which means education would be zero. Comfort would be half of what is is. and Safety would be half of what it is.


[06-Sep-23 12:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Relying for months on charity from primarily Sardonis and Kalleria to fill in the gaps, and even then, everything they provide + the gov's contribution do not produce the necessary fullfillment


[06-Sep-23 12:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	And on top of that, Festivals to bouy happiness in a short term scenario, presumably to upgrade infrastructure and make more contributions with cheaper inputs, have only been used recently and at their middle or lowest strength


[06-Sep-23 12:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Trying to lowball taxes to guilt other singular other players into bouying up sinking ENG numbers, amoung others, is just bad policy. The governor has had the power for months to act in a way that would generate revenue and provide the necessary upkeep, and it hasnt been done.


[06-Sep-23 12:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	If the current gov will not use the power his position affords him to manage the planet properly, at the very least, break even pop fulfillment or employment,, someone else should be elected.


[06-Sep-23 01:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
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[06-Sep-23 01:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	Wow, I see a lot of political chat here


[06-Sep-23 02:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
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[06-Sep-23 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	> Gov looks at what others are donating and incorporates this into plan to save the tax burden


[06-Sep-23 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	> Rise: "That's bad and wrong"


[06-Sep-23 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Safety - absolutely fine, Health - actually would be good if it was less, Comfort - fine, Culture - would be good to be higher but very expensive, Education - capped by Culture


[06-Sep-23 03:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
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[06-Sep-23 03:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	What's wrong with expensive? That's what taxes are for


[06-Sep-23 04:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	I think I understand @Bobemor 's dilemma. If you raise taxes, starting businesses here, or maintaining them, would be less beneficial and could harm the planet's economy. Imposing high taxes to try to maintain population statistics would then be useless. At least that's what I think I understand


[06-Sep-23 04:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
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[06-Sep-23 04:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Felmer**:	you can do that. You get the occasional complainers but they are mostly joking. What are they going to do? Tear down their base?


[06-Sep-23 04:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Even high taxes aren't enough to dent high tier production line profits, definitely not any where near as much as lost efficiency to insufficient workers


[06-Sep-23 04:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	Yes, of course, the high tier ones will not be damaged, but a large part of this planet is metallurgy, mainly extracting and processing resources (AL and O mainly). Maybe it's that one who fears harm. In any case, I extract all this from the little I have read.


[06-Sep-23 04:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Felmer**:	you can tax primarly the higher pop and let the rest stay low


[06-Sep-23 04:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Felmer**:	Metallurgy planets with high level pop are not plenty


[06-Sep-23 04:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	I guess, but that's what I'm saying, I've understood that from the little I've read. I would like to read a statement about each person's plans, it would be very good


[06-Sep-23 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	we've had a sudden influx of people and bob only changed the taxes recently so i do think we're being rash about kicking him out for a person who wants to bump up taxes by a huge amount. i'm only a month old account so i don't have high lvl pops so it hasn't affected me at all.


[06-Sep-23 06:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i would suggest giving him another election cycle, cause we have let him know that some of you want change


[06-Sep-23 06:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
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[06-Sep-23 07:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CptColeslaw**:	taxes wouldn't be kicked by a huge amount, or maybe at all, for lower tiers. Taxes would only really increase for higher tier production so that the governor can pay for necessary upkeep. Right now a lot of that necessary upkeep for higher tier production is just being donated by people who need it, which is not fair to those individuals and not how a government on a planet this size should work. So the increases are necessary and would only really impact those that benefit from it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


[06-Sep-23 07:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CptColeslaw**:	at least that's my understanding from reading here and on discord


[06-Sep-23 07:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	are we talking about the PU discord or another one?


[06-Sep-23 07:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	UFO discord - not the official one


[06-Sep-23 07:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	can i get a link?


[06-Sep-23 08:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	https://discord.gg/UaQuAsn7


[06-Sep-23 08:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	to see Deimos channels you'll have to use "!join Deimos" command on #access-requests channel


[06-Sep-23 08:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	thanks a bunch


[06-Sep-23 10:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
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[07-Sep-23 12:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**existence**:	interesting to see actual politics going down


[07-Sep-23 12:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**existence**:	also more interesting to see an active coup d'état happening


[07-Sep-23 12:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**existence**:	current OOG total members: 35


[07-Sep-23 12:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**existence**:	OOG members with bases on deimos: unknown, but likely most of them


[07-Sep-23 12:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**existence**:	what do you think, chat? who is gonna win? team bob or team OOG?


[07-Sep-23 01:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	idk, but no matter who wins, work is cut out for them


[07-Sep-23 01:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	the coals are hot again


[07-Sep-23 01:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	its been proven now, cant just sit on your ass and look pretty


[07-Sep-23 01:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i say we should give bob one more cycle to see if he can fix things. other then the lack of eng, i feel bob doing fine. but again i'm only a 30 day old account, i don't know much


[07-Sep-23 01:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	about running as mayor


[07-Sep-23 01:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	from what i was reading earlier, this isnt a new issue supposedly


[07-Sep-23 01:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	but this is the first time someones trying to take the reins


[07-Sep-23 01:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	last time someone did this, you know what USA got? trump


[07-Sep-23 01:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i found trump quite funny and a charismatic guy. but didn't work out for anyone in the long run


[07-Sep-23 01:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	i mean hey, whats the worst that can happen?


[07-Sep-23 01:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	they run off with our taxes?


[07-Sep-23 01:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	i doubt it


[07-Sep-23 01:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	easy way to make sure you dont get reelected


[07-Sep-23 01:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	im sure if things decline too much, someone else would get voted in


[07-Sep-23 01:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	plus paris not even apart of AI, they're from IC


[07-Sep-23 01:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	so?


[07-Sep-23 01:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	im sure Paris and OOG have a plan


[07-Sep-23 01:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	if they dont, just vote someone else next cycle


[07-Sep-23 01:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	hey bro, just let me be a factionist


[07-Sep-23 01:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	AI > everyone other faction


[07-Sep-23 01:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	I've agreed with the "give it one more chance" philosophy... all three or four times we've previously had this conversation


[07-Sep-23 01:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	The trouble is that it's been absolutely systemic


[07-Sep-23 01:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	id say theres a point where you just have to make a gamble on a new guy, and see if you can break the trend


[07-Sep-23 01:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	well in the end, it's whoever gets the most votes


[07-Sep-23 01:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	yup


[07-Sep-23 01:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	but i ain't ganna vote, cause i don't know shit about this political stuff yet


[07-Sep-23 01:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	lol


[07-Sep-23 01:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i'm just a guy who's telling his pio to mine AL


[07-Sep-23 01:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Ultimately yes the vote should come down to: OOG and people with high ENG requirements vs anyone else. If just looking at it as a narrow contest over OOG control and idle engineer populations.


[07-Sep-23 01:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	@melon164 don't be disingenous, you've voted OOG every time OOG has contested I'm sure ;)


[07-Sep-23 01:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	Actually I've consistently voted for you, because my default policy is always to vote for the incumbent, OOG or not.


[07-Sep-23 01:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	That does surprise me (I think understandably), but i am honoured


[07-Sep-23 01:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	I respect all the players who step up and contribute their time to do something that ultimately is for the benefit of others, so yes, consider yourself respected :-)


[07-Sep-23 01:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	<3


[07-Sep-23 01:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	I do unfortunately just think your governing philosophy has been proven not to work for higher-tier players


[07-Sep-23 01:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Wut


[07-Sep-23 01:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	There's a coup?


[07-Sep-23 01:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	and now that I run ten ASM here and no SME, it's hurting me too much to ignore


[07-Sep-23 01:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Why does these things happen when I'm out of office


[07-Sep-23 01:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	How many ENG did you lose this week @melon164?


[07-Sep-23 01:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	14


[07-Sep-23 01:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	out of?


[07-Sep-23 01:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	200


[07-Sep-23 02:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	I don't think I've ever been fully staffed


[07-Sep-23 02:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	7% loss is frustrating. But you were the last two weeks and seemingly didn't notice :P


[07-Sep-23 02:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	I didn't complain, no


[07-Sep-23 02:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	I did notice because my ECAs on Phobos ran dry because they're out of ratio


[07-Sep-23 02:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	Last week I was down about 15%


[07-Sep-23 02:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	it's been worse, it's been better


[07-Sep-23 02:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	You were full last week and were out of ratio due to being full? Or the 7% loss was so sudden?


[07-Sep-23 02:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	It's been months since I was fully staffed


[07-Sep-23 02:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	and then only for a few reports


[07-Sep-23 02:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	That's not accurate unless you're suggesting Deimos' POPR is glitched.


[07-Sep-23 02:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	I think there are numerous bug reports indicating that population allocation _is_ glitched, yes


[07-Sep-23 02:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	which is not your fault, obviously


[07-Sep-23 02:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	I was not fully staffed last week, or the week before


[07-Sep-23 02:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Ultimately, yes if you want to pay more (and as an OOG member who will be funding the shortfall pay more on top of that) to attempt to guarantee your full ENG population constantly then you should vote Paris. But you do currently have ~10% of the ENGs on the planet


[07-Sep-23 02:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	I know, and I've consistently asked for high-tier taxes to be raised every time this conversation comes up


[07-Sep-23 02:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I'd rather coordinate with you (and the other small handful of heavy ENG users) to directly support the population you want and engage you in the game mechanics while saving everyone else the cost.


[07-Sep-23 02:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	I think what it comes down to it, I want an active governor who will "sort it out"


[07-Sep-23 02:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	But i can see the appeal of just throwing money at Paris to do that on your behalf. But I think you can understand why other players might not prefer that if it involves them also throwing some more money (which is unneccessary even if not huge).


[07-Sep-23 02:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	if that means being asked to make special donations, sure


[07-Sep-23 02:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	I've paid for probably a dozen immigration programs on planets where I wanted additional high-tier pop


[07-Sep-23 02:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	Ultimately Paris is promising to make my life easy, you're not.  Which since you're a volunteer, you're completely entitled to do :-)


[07-Sep-23 02:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	sounds fair to me, you want to grow as we all do


[07-Sep-23 02:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	but it would be nice if DW and RAT were lower


[07-Sep-23 02:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	why can't i just force my workers not to eat or drink, would make profits so much better


[07-Sep-23 02:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	We all wish that, it is the space capitalist urge :[


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[07-Sep-23 03:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Things about to get crazy at Planet Deimos


[07-Sep-23 03:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	Are governors expected to fund everything on a planet using the money raised from taxes?


[07-Sep-23 04:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I'm sure that was the intention, but with inflation constantly hitting consumables hard (due to low supply and high demand), running a planet ends up being voluntary charity. Making consumables yourself and raising taxes to be inline with other planets only offsets that cost.


[07-Sep-23 04:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	What I am most impressed with Bob is his meticulous record-keeping that he has always published. It shows that, even with his more hands-off approach (which has been unpopular), running Deimos has still cost him some. Being a governor is not a path to riches.


[07-Sep-23 05:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	I guessed it was an unwritten 'rule' as I've never read anything on what a governor is meant to do. Are these engineers vanishing from bases, or just the workforce pool? Sorry, if this is a stupid question


[07-Sep-23 05:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	There aren't enough of them, people are creating new jobs (by putting down new buildings) faster than they're immigrating/educating


[07-Sep-23 05:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	They could be made to immigrate/educate faster with different management of the population infrastructure and government programs


[07-Sep-23 05:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	Paris and Bob have different views on whether that should be done


[07-Sep-23 05:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	riveting


[07-Sep-23 05:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	As of right now, @Paris_In_Springtime has 41 votes, and @ Bobemor has 33.   You  have 1 day and 8 hours to cast your votes


[07-Sep-23 05:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	A total of 79 votes have been cast, out of 389. (+21)


[07-Sep-23 05:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	You can cast your vote in the Planetary Administration Center, Screen, using this command: ADM ZV-759c


[07-Sep-23 05:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	if i could, i will run for mayor and vote for myself.


[07-Sep-23 05:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	but until i learn more about being a mayor, i'll pass on voting for now


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[07-Sep-23 06:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**SpaceMike**:	About the population mechanics, when an engineer immigrates does that mean they literally emigrated from another planet or the emigrated out of thin air?


[07-Sep-23 06:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	Thin air


[07-Sep-23 06:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**CptColeslaw**:	mechanically, I believe it's 'out of thin air', and is sometimes explained as including all forms of population growth, like people having kids


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[07-Sep-23 07:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Basically, PIO & SET can be increased "from thin air" via Migration by keeping that POP's Happiness above 70%. However, higher POPs only grow through "upgrading" via Education. It happens by one step per POPR report and is also tied to that POP's Happiness.


[07-Sep-23 08:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
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[07-Sep-23 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	and their happiness is tied to the last 4/5 weeks, weighted on the more recent. So it's quite a slow process to raise them


[07-Sep-23 10:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	What makes them happy?


[07-Sep-23 10:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	And yet for 33 of the past 36 cycles, we have been negative one engineers. For all the "One more chance" people, this is not a sudden thing despite how last minute Paris' candidancy is. The problems and ENG deficiencies have lasted for months and we have asked the Governor to fix them for months. We've had discussions in this channel over the last 2 months with every single voice in support for raising taxes immediately to support ENG pop to just fill the existing demand. Paris was going to run last month, but stood back to give one last chance. Chances are over. This POPR and the fact that the governor still relies upon other players to contribute half of this past month's upkeep is the straw that broke this understanding. Final chance over. Time for someone who will do what needs to be done. And remember, taxes will not go up for any PIO users. This is exclusively a change for higher tier workers to support everyone's needs.


[07-Sep-23 10:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	@wildgardener The planet has buildable infrastructure buildings that you can see via a link on the Planet info screen. Each Infra building has a option of inputs that provide some amount of the 5 types of "fulfillment". Every worker requires all 5, but the lower tiers focus on the easy ones like safety and health. The higher tier workers need the higher tier fulfillments. You must provide inputs for the buildings to function. Taxes collected will pay for these upkeep items so that the infrastructure provides fulfillment, which affects happiness of the workers. We need the happiness or we lose workers and our production slows down.


[07-Sep-23 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	We can discuss back and forth of reasons why ENG pop is chronically undersupplied, why the gov reasons for refusing to provide necessary upkeeps, and the claims of sudden demand for new pop(a factually false statement when looked at over the past month), or whatever, but the facts are the facts. 33 of the past 36 POPRs, the gov has failed to provide necessary ENG workers. Paris will fix it, and those who use these workers will make more profit(even after tax), and those who do not will not be significantly affected. Paris will resolve these issues in a way that doesnt harm new players and increases the stability and profitability for everyone else.


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[07-Sep-23 11:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**caskman**:	On the voting screen it shows that paris is part of the insitor faction.  Does that mean our taxes are gonna go from AIC to ICA? I wanna make sure that doesn't happen since that would be very disruptive to non-pro players since I don't think they get access to FX


[07-Sep-23 11:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	That will not happen


[07-Sep-23 11:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	It will stay AIC


[07-Sep-23 11:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	The fees of a faction control planet always stay within that faction


[07-Sep-23 11:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	An antares control planet cannot go to another factions currency


[07-Sep-23 11:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**caskman**:	👍


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[07-Sep-23 11:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Even on a non faction planet, the fee currency is determined by the corporation of the governor, which with Paris would be OOG, an Antares corporation


[07-Sep-23 12:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Deimos taxation currency will always be AIC as it's a faction planet


[07-Sep-23 12:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	From Paris' plans presented he/OOG (unclear which) would be investing considerable personal capital each week. Taxes will in no way fund the kind of expensive (and in my view excessive) population supply they wish. Deimos has previously used demand to generate growth. Which has been successful. The degree and boundaries of that success can be queried but its indisputable that Deimos' Engineering population has grown and the cost of doing that has been drastically less than many other planets.


[07-Sep-23 12:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I have always taken a long term view on POPI as a mechanic. It is not one that should be measured in days but in months. I can entirely understand the perspective that cash is meaningless to old players so might as well throw money at it. But I'd personally rather Paris just did that and didn't raise taxes


[07-Sep-23 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	That's great thing about OOG, we don't care about balancing the budget, we care about having enough workers for our high tier production lines. The cost of infrastructure and upkeep pales in comparison to even just a week of reduced efficiency of our high tier lines


[07-Sep-23 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I mean there's nothing stopping you doing that. Other than wanting to control Deimos :P


[07-Sep-23 12:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	I think it's worth pointing out that smelting 4 AL on Deimos right now costs $6 AIC of taxes. At CX prices, the inputs are $1300 and the outputs are $2800. $6 of $1500 profit is a 0.4% tax rate. So I think riling people up about tax increases shouldn't be a realistic concern. Even for new players, it's not affecting their bottom line.


[07-Sep-23 12:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I mean no one is suggesting raising PIO taxes, (though that would be needed to begin to balance the budget)


[07-Sep-23 12:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	(*If the budget is for intense POPI spending)


[07-Sep-23 12:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Only the governor controls programs and beyond that we don't want to enable a lazy governor. If we're going to fix Deimos then we might as well have the official mantel and get the taxes too.


[07-Sep-23 12:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	I think it's just nice to have a whole team behind an important planet like Deimos


[07-Sep-23 12:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I've repeatedly offered (and have) coordinated with people to supply POPI inputs directly, as well as doing target programs when people have expressed a need for that ahead of time.


[07-Sep-23 12:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I'm not sure it's fair entirely to brand me lazy when you've never taken me up on that frequent offer


[07-Sep-23 12:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	that's still others doing all the work though


[07-Sep-23 12:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	How is that different to what Archiel has just advocated for?


[07-Sep-23 12:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Paris won't be doing all the work for Deimos. OOG is saying they will right?


[07-Sep-23 12:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Or are you suggesting Paris will also be lazy? Perhaps more so than me?


[07-Sep-23 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	It's about voters deciding g


[07-Sep-23 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	This is a red herring issue if ever there was one. With the funds raised by the ataxes planned, it will be trival to purchase the necessary supplies from whoever to provide fullment and the requisite happiness.


[07-Sep-23 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	There doesnt need to be a cabal of people who all donate 5 OFF


[07-Sep-23 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	well no, we provide a backbone for purchasing resources. It's little more than buying from a CX to buy internally. The governor is the one doing most of the work


[07-Sep-23 12:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	contracts, recognizing what they need, etc. I have 22 planets to watch, I don't want to spend time analyzing Deimos' PLI to determine it needs something. I already have responsibility on Nike


[07-Sep-23 12:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	and I say this as someone currently missing 70 ENG :(


[07-Sep-23 12:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	though that's because of new construction primarily


[07-Sep-23 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	well, if we hadnt of bleed 300 ENG in the last 2 weeks from unhappiness, i dont think it would have been an issue


[07-Sep-23 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	yeah, I'm not concerned that it will be resolved soon


[07-Sep-23 12:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	I don't think it's unreasonable to try and maintain a cushion of unemployed workers for unexpected spikes in demand


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[07-Sep-23 05:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	The tax increases Paris is suggesting is will not fund the expenditure Paris is suggesting. This will be met by Paris/OOG. That's fair enough, but to suggest otherwise is inaccurate. Though I assume this is mostly just a misunderstanding of the costs involved


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**muzamundi**:	20 hours left


[07-Sep-23 05:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	looks like bob is ganna get kicked


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[08-Sep-23 12:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	I hope Bob wins, if not, it will be another win for the Ooga Booga Capital Corp.    Bob also kept the taxes low, which was nice and healthy for an Aluminum mining planet.


[08-Sep-23 12:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	With 13 hours left in this election Cycle, bob as 35, and Paris is in the lead with 47 votes.  God bless to a new era of Deimos


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**PiBoy314**:	All corps rise and fall, Ooga Booga is just the current dominant one in Antares


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[08-Sep-23 08:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	We've been around for a while and we'll be around for a while longer


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[08-Sep-23 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	@yinxx With all respect to my OOG colleagues, this was never about the politics imo. It was about getting someone who would use the office to upkeep the planet properly. Bob got me started in this game and I'd like to consider a good friend, though this multi-month long issue has surely damaged that, which I regret. He is a great dude. It just that the planet pops were not being handle in a way that was satisfactory to myself and others. I've known Paris almost as long as I've played this game. Corp ticker aside, he will do right by folks here and make the necessary changes to ensure an adequate workforce for all.


[08-Sep-23 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	4 hours to go


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[08-Sep-23 01:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	And Paris won, congratulations


[08-Sep-23 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Good morning/evening/night.


[08-Sep-23 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I also have great love for Bobemor. He helped me upgrade my first ship. He loaned me cash to open a base that gave me a leg up from where I was. We still trade weekly. I know people enjoy drama and and that there must always be a bad guy, but that isn't the case here. I heartfully thank Bobemor for all his help.


[08-Sep-23 02:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	As to business, you will have noticed that a number of Infrastructure buildings were levelled up - this will make the consumables used more effective, meaning it's cheaper (and therefore easier) to actually run those buildings going forward.


[08-Sep-23 02:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Taxes were changed in the following way: OLD:  PIO-10 SET-10 TECH-30 ENG-70 SCI-50 NEW: PIO-10 SET-20 TECH-50 ENG-450 SCI-1000


[08-Sep-23 02:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Thus, new players & those doing basic (but important) SME work will not be impacted.


[08-Sep-23 02:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Those that use SET & TECH POPs won't notice the change.


[08-Sep-23 02:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Those that use ENG & SCI POPs will be required to help fund the expensive consumables that keep those POPs happy. These levels bring the tax rate in-line with other large planets, and is still a massive bargain compared to the value received.


[08-Sep-23 02:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Also, you will note there is no gating against types of jobs; new players like to try out various industries and I'm not going to penalize that (usually it's Carbon manufacture here).


[08-Sep-23 02:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	That is all.


[08-Sep-23 02:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I wish you a glorious day/evening/night further.


[08-Sep-23 02:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	i didn't notice it was possible to stop people from building certain industry?


[08-Sep-23 02:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	know* not notice


[08-Sep-23 02:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AndromedaPlusOne**:	Thanks for making sure us new players aren't blocked from trying everything, Paris.


[08-Sep-23 02:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	@Paris_In_Springtime We could try to lower taxes a little at the high levels, to try to compete economically with the other planets in that field. I don't know if you have already taken it into account.


[08-Sep-23 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	That has always been the policy here, I am just continuing the policy. However, you should know that you are missing out on 25% productivity if you produce in a building that is not aligned to the COGC bonus


[08-Sep-23 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	(which is Metallurgy here on Deimos)


[08-Sep-23 02:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AndromedaPlusOne**:	Good thing my main industry is planned to be Metallurgy. Still want to test everything though. Andromeda Arms and Logistics hopefully will be able to sell the basics necessary for everyone, one day.


[08-Sep-23 02:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	Yes, I know. I was just saying it to try to be more competitive in that sense


[08-Sep-23 02:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	@luubstar Don't worry about the dragons that have ENG & SCI workers; they are more concerned about having full working buildings than what the tax rate is.


[08-Sep-23 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	Nah. I am not worried. I'm sure they have better knowledge of the game than me. But it is usually a rule to follow in economics in general, "If you want to attract people, increase their profits." If we can reduce your taxes and improve your workers, we achieve both


[08-Sep-23 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	Seems like I only got a notification for the SST upgrade, but there were also 2 INF upgrades and a PAR upgrade. Wonder if that's a bug


[08-Sep-23 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	@AndromedaPlusOne Looking at the price of AL on the CX, it's a good time to be in Metallurgy ;-)


[08-Sep-23 02:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	true


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[08-Sep-23 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AndromedaPlusOne**:	It definitely is. Though I'm taking a nice look at everything... Especially Catbon.


[08-Sep-23 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AndromedaPlusOne**:	*Carbon.


[08-Sep-23 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Carbon is the reason AL is expensive


[08-Sep-23 03:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	carbon is the reason i made my own production line for it


[08-Sep-23 03:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AndromedaPlusOne**:	Yeah. Carbon's really expensive... Its why I'm getting as much aluminum sold as possible. Including excess ore. Then I can see about making my own carbon.


[08-Sep-23 03:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	im running 2 farms, and 3 incens atm


[08-Sep-23 03:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	https://prunplanner.org/shared/7e4da06f-5415-4c7f-b6e1-660aabdb7822


[08-Sep-23 03:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AndromedaPlusOne**:	I'm just planning to start with one of each. Sell excess, use what I can, buy what is needed after all that.


[08-Sep-23 03:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	fair


[08-Sep-23 03:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	I'm starting a Flux line for something similar


[08-Sep-23 03:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	not a bad idea


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**Hernanduer**:	Come on new guys, I'm burning 200 AL a day here. I need your business at the CX :D


[08-Sep-23 03:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	ill be running a 40 shipment tonight


[08-Sep-23 03:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	then in a couple days, 80 or so


[08-Sep-23 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Anpache**:	If, hypothetically, someone wanted some FLX, they'd just have to post a fair price for it


[08-Sep-23 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Anpache**:	*Anpache questions his decisions about making so much FLX on Nike*


[08-Sep-23 04:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	Empty 500,500 ship going to antares station, post ad if interested in shipment


[08-Sep-23 04:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	can wait 1 hour


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**muzamundi**:	i will be heading to Antares station in roughly 24-30 hours, i have 300t to spare post them shipment ads lads


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[09-Sep-23 01:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Lets go, Our WIldlife park has been upgraded.


[09-Sep-23 01:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	yup


[09-Sep-23 01:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	i saw a bunch of other things got upgraded too


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[09-Sep-23 08:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Congratulations Paris! As Paris said we work closely together and hopefully will continue to do so, so I am confident that he will be a good responsible governor. As he says for the vast majority of players (~370/390) they will notice no change whatsover. Paris will be putting in substantial amounts of his own resources and money for Deimos and i hope the players with unfullfilled Engineer demand personally thank him for that :P


[09-Sep-23 08:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I'll also get in touch with him about transfering over the Deimos treasury which I think is about (1,000,000) AIC ;D


[09-Sep-23 09:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	Thanks for your service @Bobemor :)


[09-Sep-23 12:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	I'll do a nice little analysis on the forum at some point on the data from governing, which i'm sure some of you will appreciate


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[09-Sep-23 02:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**I_am_Tex**:	Thanks Bob, and good luck to Paris as governor!


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[09-Sep-23 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Thanks Bob, that would be great. I would like to see the analysis.


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[09-Sep-23 05:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	o7 bob, thanks for ya hard work


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**Yinxx**:	Thanks bob, Welcome Paris


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**Wildgardener**:	I've placed an ad on the LM for polyethylene. My nearest ship is 2 days away or I'd have gone to Antares myself


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**Wildgardener**:	Thank you!


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**Yinxx**:	np


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**muzamundi**:	heading to Antares station in roughly 12 hours, have 500t of space, 2AIC per ton, try to keep it less that or equal to 100t per request


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**RiseofFilth**:	@inforeil, you are straight up WYLIN with those buy contracts on LM


[11-Sep-23 11:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	I saw it and instantly cracked up laughin


[11-Sep-23 11:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	they do look, a bit weird ye


[11-Sep-23 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Those prices are like, they is literally someone with a gun to your head, behind your gamer chair, forcing you to sell and a massive loss


[11-Sep-23 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	There*


[11-Sep-23 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	ahh


[11-Sep-23 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	i was mostly wondering why they were in CIS mostly


[11-Sep-23 11:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	At those prices, id rather give it away for free


[11-Sep-23 11:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	At least then I would come off as generous or something, instead of just getting reamed on the price and losing half of its value


[11-Sep-23 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	yea


[11-Sep-23 11:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	anyways, hopefully yall are having a lovely Monday


[11-Sep-23 11:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Its a great time to be in the best region of space (Antares obvs)


[11-Sep-23 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	mines pretty good, gonna make a run to market later today and take advantage of the spike in aluminum prices


[11-Sep-23 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	and grab a couple things while there


[11-Sep-23 11:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Maddenhenge**:	then, i get to only have to buy flux and consumables


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**muzamundi**:	the hell wrong with the person who asking for 200 AL for 49k?


[11-Sep-23 06:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	guess they're trying to scam the newbies who recently joined


[11-Sep-23 07:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	alu ore buying posted- 75/unit


[11-Sep-23 07:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	if you put a 100 ALU i help out


[11-Sep-23 07:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	ALO i mean


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**Knarfaction**:	nope those are ads at KAWA corp price for my supplyer


[12-Sep-23 03:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	@CoolAir Thank you for your donation to the COGC :-)


[12-Sep-23 03:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LadySerenaKitty**:	I donatered stuffs


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**heyheyjayjay**:	Hi! I'm your friendly neighbourhood logistics enthusiast. I'm finding myself flying to and from the Antares Station quite regularly with a mostly empty hull, so if you have small shipments ( < 20t/m3 ) then I'll gladly chuck em in the hold, no charge. Safe flying!


[12-Sep-23 09:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	@Archiel Thank you for finishing the Art Cafe. I am not a fan of the brutalist architecture, but I do like the "Dogs Playing Poker" hanging in the entryway.


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**Archiel**:	:D


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**Domicius**:	Why everyone gotta be a critic?


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**AedanDrake**:	hi i am new, i have a pro licence i would like to join a food/Agriculture/carbon corp


[13-Sep-23 10:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Not just a critic... an ART critic XD


[13-Sep-23 10:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	@AedanDrake Well done on going PRO!


[13-Sep-23 10:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Luubstar**:	I'm thinking about buying pro a month basiclly to help the devs and be able to do things in the local market


[13-Sep-23 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	once you get to a certain size, the ability to queue jobs forever is a lifesaver. It how people with bases larger than 8 can still play without turning this game into a job.


[13-Sep-23 10:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	being able to set & accept contracts of all types means you can play this game with other people. It goes from a single-player game with some chat function to an actual multi-player game.


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**Luubstar**:	Yeah. I like a lot about PrUn. Indeed I want to code a similar game, just for fun. I Like the idea of Resource Manager - MMO game


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**Gilith**:	ads for some fuel posted - help me get a new ship into orbit


[13-Sep-23 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**I_am_Tex**:	Got them filled.  Enjoy the maiden voyage!


[13-Sep-23 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gilith**:	thanks Tex


[13-Sep-23 03:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Yay! New ship day!


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Always exciting!


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**SpaceMike**:	Put a buy order on the LM for 40 FLX with a premium


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**Willger**:	Got U @spacemike


[14-Sep-23 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SpaceMike**:	o7


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**ChineseEarthquake**:	need 1 SSC if anyone can spare for my ship repair.. ad on LM


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**Nomahd**:	Morning all! I just joined about a week ago. Looking forward to build some s*** together!


[15-Sep-23 03:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Welcome! Glad to have you with us.


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[15-Sep-23 03:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	@nomahd best to get a loan of someone to help start your industry. but make sure you know what you wanna invest into first


[15-Sep-23 03:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	like myself, only a month old. i invested in AL and making my own C


[15-Sep-23 03:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	speaking of C when i started it was like 540 and now it's 620


[15-Sep-23 03:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	no wonder AL is so high too


[15-Sep-23 03:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	all these prices jumped from the new influx of Players within the last month


[15-Sep-23 03:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	dodge a bullet there. now to start making glass.... however i may have forgotten to pick up some NA


[15-Sep-23 04:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nomahd**:	I know it's not optimal but I would rather try to build without loans for now. Having fun ramping up slowly!


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**Luubstar**:	You didn't need a loan to grow. Just going bit a bit you can make good money


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**jelutz77**:	Growing as you learn is how the game was designed


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Weekly reminder to let me know if you're building anything that will put pressure on TECH, ENG or SCI pops. Thank you.


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**muzamundi**:	will do boss, just a heads up taking away more PIO


[15-Sep-23 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	think we're ganna run out soon


[15-Sep-23 05:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	posted LM ad: buying 102 ALO at 80 AIC per


[15-Sep-23 05:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	@muzamundi Unless you've discovered a way to call on 10k PIO all at once, I think we'll be ok ;-)


[15-Sep-23 05:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i now have a number and a goal


[15-Sep-23 05:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	good man


[15-Sep-23 08:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Aeper**:	just a heads up, if anyone needs FLX let me know. i keep a 5k + stock here on the world and sell it for 110/u


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	@Aeper You should post ads on the LM.


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**Yinxx**:	Whoever put an Ad up on the LM for 18 (BDE) for 8k AIC is out of their mind.


[16-Sep-23 06:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	That is a 40k Trade right there.


[16-Sep-23 06:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	buying 120 AL for 9,600, oh my.


[16-Sep-23 06:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Good thing this game is a good simulator for learning Supply and demand.


[16-Sep-23 06:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Willger**:	WTB 4 TRU, ad at LM 😉


[16-Sep-23 06:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Some corps run their inter-member trades through the LM. What you're seeing is the internal-corp price.


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**jvaler**:	@Yinxx that's ALO not AL. i'm not crazy lol


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**Yinxx**:	oh, whoops


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**Re-Creator600**:	@Yinxx , Thnx i will look in to that


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Good morning/evening/night. A look at today's POPR report shows some interesting trends:


[20-Sep-23 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	PIO: Unemployment dropped by -6,978 this week.


[20-Sep-23 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	+ 4,072 Jobs added this week.


[20-Sep-23 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	- 2,906 PIO removed this week.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	SET:


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	+193 Jobs added this week.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	+20 new SET added this week.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	TECH:


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	+479 Jobs added this week.


[20-Sep-23 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	+296 new TECH added this week.


[20-Sep-23 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	ENG:


[20-Sep-23 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	+197 Jobs added this week.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	+160 new ENG added this week.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	NOTES


[20-Sep-23 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	PIOs: All the new bases have stripped the buffer down bare - this is great news! Time to build the buffer back up.


[20-Sep-23 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	SET: Carrying far too much buffer. However, it's near-impossible to bring this buffer down while also building up higher-tier POPs. Will just have to live with these useless eaters for now.


[20-Sep-23 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	TECH: 2nd-highest growth in 3 months, and new Jobs are still outpacing new TECHs! Glad to see all the new industry going up! Expect even higher TECH growth next POPR.


[20-Sep-23 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	ENG: Highest growth in 3 months by 67%, and new Jobs are still outpacing new ENGs! Again, more higher-tier industry is great! Expect the same ENG growth next POPR.


[20-Sep-23 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	SCI: Thank you to the person who told me they were building a singular SCI building this week. I expect you'll have your building filled within 2 POPRs.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	THAT IS ALL.


[20-Sep-23 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I wish you a glorious day/evening/night further.


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**Yinxx**:	Thank you so much for the update. It is greatly appreciated.


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**kapusta**:	can anyone sell me 600MCG quickly?


[21-Sep-23 01:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	@kapusta I have 316 on Deimos. If you send me a buy contract, I can fulfill


[21-Sep-23 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**kapusta**:	done. looking for 300 more


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**caskman**:	I got you, will send a contract


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**kapusta**:	thank you very much


[21-Sep-23 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Re-Creator600**:	HI all, How many corps are here, and do they accept beginners?


[21-Sep-23 03:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Quite a few, and yes. Though specifically, the traditional “everyone in under one roof” is not very common due to the mechanics around governors and tax collection. A lot of organizations organize via discord servers and loose collaborative projects. There are some exceptions tho


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**RiseofFilth**:	just a heads up, a lot of groups expect such participants to have PRO, as it is difficult to participate with at least Basic, from a game mechanics pov


[21-Sep-23 03:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	without at least Basic*


[21-Sep-23 03:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Re-Creator600**:	So it is not necessery to join one


[21-Sep-23 03:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Re-Creator600**:	thnx for your answer btw


[21-Sep-23 03:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Re-Creator600**:	*necessary


[21-Sep-23 03:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	It is not. That being said, some popular non-starter planets have free to join corps that have HQs there, which gives everyone a 10% production bonus


[21-Sep-23 03:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	griffonstone or etherwind are good examples of that


[21-Sep-23 03:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	no one does anything in the corp. it’s just join your get the bonus


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**Malgarth**:	Anyone online? :)


[21-Sep-23 10:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Sup


[21-Sep-23 10:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Malgarth**:	not much really, spreadsheeting and setting up some orders


[21-Sep-23 10:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	always fun. Welcome to the game btw


[21-Sep-23 10:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	if you are ever lookin for advice or to chat with a better tool, there is a community discord here


[21-Sep-23 10:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


[21-Sep-23 10:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Malgarth**:	Great


[21-Sep-23 10:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Malgarth**:	ty


[21-Sep-23 10:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	Welcome new players! I'm glad you chose Antares space! If you're new to the area (and have pro so you can recieve contracts), I offer one-time grants of 250,000 AIC to help you get started


[21-Sep-23 11:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	free money?


[21-Sep-23 11:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	while supplies last!


[21-Sep-23 11:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	Check your notifications!


[22-Sep-23 01:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Malgarth**:	Is it possible to get an inivitation to OOG as well? :)


[22-Sep-23 02:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**australis**:	Hey Archiel, if that's still available I'd love a grant!


[22-Sep-23 02:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**australis**:	Oh you need pro, never mind on that, my bad.


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**muzamundi**:	you need pro or basic, so if you at least buy it for one month you'll get it


[22-Sep-23 04:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	but still, he sent me the grant and i accepted, however i still haven't got the money


[22-Sep-23 04:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	seems sussy to me


[22-Sep-23 04:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DeliahCobay**:	Whats the difference between free and basic?


[22-Sep-23 04:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	basic lets you accept contracts from LM and other players


[22-Sep-23 04:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	but you only get basic once your sub runs out


[22-Sep-23 04:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DeliahCobay**:	Well, I won't worry about it anymore


[22-Sep-23 04:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DeliahCobay**:	I have fun so far, so I got the pro one for a month


[22-Sep-23 04:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DeliahCobay**:	On a different note, I'll take a grant if one is offered.


[22-Sep-23 05:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	"seems sussy to me" - though I can understand skepticism after playing other games like EVE or WoW where scams happen, I'd likely be insulted enough by this comment to retract the incredibly generous offer.


[22-Sep-23 05:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	This is a slow game, and most people fit it into their lives where they can. Expecting immediate responses from others is unrealistic.


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**Archiel**:	I'm awake again! sent/filled new grant contracts


[22-Sep-23 07:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Malgarth**:	Archiel is it possible to join OOG?


[22-Sep-23 07:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	It is possible, but tricky- OOG is the most elite corporation in Antares space. Our governance program now rules most major planets in the region and we are fast approaching one million people under our rule


[22-Sep-23 07:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	Are you on discord? Send me a message there and I can give you some details.


[22-Sep-23 07:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	The UFO discord (unified faction operations) is https://discord.gg/fh5NwbsZ and there's also an official discord channel for the game. You can find me on either of those


[22-Sep-23 07:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	We have a lot of programs to help new people get started, loans, our dividend programs, a friendly and very active discord, we offer a lot of guidance for base design, ship construction, and help for new governors. We have discount materials and an internal auction system to distribute them. We have a lot of cooperative production chains and work to ensure priority materials go to corp members first.


[22-Sep-23 07:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DeliahCobay**:	Is name colour related to license, badge, rating or something else entirely?


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**RiseofFilth**:	@archiel is a staple to the community, and sometimes even a comedian ;). Beware his generosity (in a good way!)


[22-Sep-23 09:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	He will force them free money contracts into your inbox!


[22-Sep-23 09:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	As paris said, this ain’t eve online. People tend to be much friendlier


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	After Archiel's description of our corp, I kinda feel I should go get a cape and practice my heroic pose.


[22-Sep-23 09:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	All true though.


[22-Sep-23 09:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	I've been working on my elevator pitch :D


[22-Sep-23 09:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	The green names are for people who bought the Planet supporter option or higher (pretty sure it's planet) It comes with a few months of pro, so that's what I started with


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**Archiel**:	I think the devs are orange, and the mods are red


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**RiseofFilth**:	@paris definitely true


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**RiseofFilth**:	**wink**


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	https://imgur.com/a/WWxb210

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**Gaffy**:	could y'all stop selling aluminium so i can make some money please :D


[22-Sep-23 05:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gaffy**:	and like, can everyone suddenly need to eat it or something


[22-Sep-23 05:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gaffy**:	NEW FAD: Eating just whole aluminium challenge!


[22-Sep-23 05:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	AL is already fairly expensive, just look at the chart


[22-Sep-23 05:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gaffy**:	Yeah but I want moore money


[22-Sep-23 05:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DeliahCobay**:	Dig up more aluminium


[22-Sep-23 05:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gaffy**:	But that'll drop the price


[22-Sep-23 05:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	It's way more expensive on Hortus so it's only a matter of time before some trader whale comes along and buys up everything sub 750


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I remember when AL was 500/u.


[22-Sep-23 05:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	That was 3 months ago.


[22-Sep-23 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	wake up to 250k wow guess it wasn't a scam. thanks a bunch @archiel


[22-Sep-23 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	guess it wasn't as sussy wussy as i thought it was


[22-Sep-23 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	now what do i do with this grant


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	double it and pass it on


[22-Sep-23 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i mean sure, but what do i spend it on?


[22-Sep-23 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	another base? better industry?


[22-Sep-23 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	too much for me since i just woke up. i need think about it


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**Yinxx**:	it looks like a good time for a planning phase for you @muzamudi


[22-Sep-23 06:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	Usually it's best to first fill out your first base before starting a second one- max out the 500/500 area


[22-Sep-23 06:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	and spent it all


[22-Sep-23 08:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	There is is, AL is now back up to 746


[22-Sep-23 08:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	okay, why is AL being used a lot?


[22-Sep-23 08:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	what's causing this massive influx of people buying it?


[22-Sep-23 08:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Gaffy**:	I did, The "Eating just whole aluminium" challenge was a great success


[22-Sep-23 10:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Well. Carbon is low, probably from people making it exiting the market and the increase in FRM products


[22-Sep-23 10:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Carbon stocks*


[22-Sep-23 10:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	so AL production cost is up


[22-Sep-23 10:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	and demand for AL is up with B-fabs and L-fabs being basically at upper MM


[22-Sep-23 10:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Need more FRM, C, and AL producers across the board


[22-Sep-23 10:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i knew C has gone up and it's the reason why i started to make my own a while back. but now i understand why AL is being used so much that it seems it's more of a good idea now to make your own C then make AL and sell the AL


[22-Sep-23 10:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i was making SI but no point now. AL is at the point where it sells about the same if i was to make SI


[22-Sep-23 10:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	or turn the AL into B-fabs


[22-Sep-23 11:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	Is anyone interested in buying small quantities of AL on the LM? I only ever see ads for over 100. I don't ship as much back to Gibson these days, so it's filling my base here on Deimos


[22-Sep-23 11:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	for a reasonable price? always


[22-Sep-23 11:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	yes, try posting sell ads


[22-Sep-23 11:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	so long as it's convenient, someone will answer them


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**muzamundi**:	have we ran out of PIO?


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**muzamundi**:	i have room for more PIO to work, but they ain't joining


[23-Sep-23 04:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	The unemployment percentile is only 2%, likely due to the vast amount of joiners - but 2% of 205K is still a solid quantity


[23-Sep-23 04:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	It's far more likely that you've met your weekly maximum which is marked within () and is some unseen amount based of how many unemployed PIO are around and how many bases exist


[23-Sep-23 04:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Pop report was 3 days ago, so any slots you have unfilled should fill up in 4 days


[23-Sep-23 04:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	I forgot to bring any MED with me from Gibson and my ship has gone back. Can anyone on Deimos fill an order on the LM for 2 - will pay 1000 each


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[23-Sep-23 04:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I'm expecting the PIO population to grow by 5,000+ at next POPR, and it will continue to do so weekly until we have around 5-8% unemployment.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Weekly reminder to let me know if you're putting up buildings that draw on TECH, ENG or SCI populations please.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	@CoolAir Thank you for your donation to the COGC.


[23-Sep-23 12:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	404.45t/465m^3 open for shipping Deimos -> ANT leaves within 5hrs


[23-Sep-23 12:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	wait, disregard that. miscalculated my cargo


[23-Sep-23 12:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	@Inforiel, it's not a weekly allotment, everyone can draw 10% of unemployed populations between POPRs. Right now, that's only like 400 max


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[23-Sep-23 06:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	Does anybody know a good planet for smelting only?


[23-Sep-23 06:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Deimos and Vulcan next door are great for smelting. If you want to offload your ALO and O extraction then you can put bases on Nascent and Etherwind, respectively


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**LargeFoot**:	Thanks @Churaviis, i will check them out :)


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**Inforiel**:	@Hernanduer - TIL , thanks for that nugget of information :)


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**Yinxx**:	I was wondering why my production line efficiency was going down. My buildings condition are at 66%. That is a time expense right there isnt it?


[24-Sep-23 08:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	You need to repair your buildings. Use the BRA command to see what all you need.


[24-Sep-23 09:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	o.o


[24-Sep-23 09:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**yngwette**:	how old were they to get that low?


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**Churaviis**:	Once you get past 90 days, efficiency falls off fast


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**Yinxx**:	yeppers, thanks guys


[24-Sep-23 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	my oldest buildings are around 112 days old. So its time to invest some Building  Prefabs into my Production-line infrastructure.


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**Malgarth**:	Hello guys


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**Re-Creator600**:	HI good morning


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**Malgarth**:	Morning


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**RiseofFilth**:	It is


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**australis**:	anyone here produce carbon that would be willing to sell on LM for a decent price?


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**Domicius**:	I don't think anyone produces C on this planet. You'd be looking more at an agri planet.


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**Hernanduer**:	resource extraction, really. Nascent


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**RiseofFilth**:	^


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**Maddenhenge**:	i only make enough C for myself tbh


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**Anpache**:	Order up for 100 overpriced Oxygen because I ran out


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**australis**:	i was just wondering since atm im making about 2k AIS a day profit because of carbon costs


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**australis**:	kinda getting to the point where i may have to liquidiate and start again as this doesn't seem sustainable at all anymore


[26-Sep-23 06:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	Yay! I got my 5th metallurgy expert today! now we really zoomin


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**Re-Creator600**:	nice job, today i build my second PP1


[26-Sep-23 06:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	nice, that's exciting too. moar bfabs


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**Re-Creator600**:	soon welding plant


[26-Sep-23 06:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**australis**:	i have to basically make a 12 hour trip to the CXL to buy carbon daily (because if i increase fuel usage i make 0 profits) and i still need to get enough by the end of the week to meet my weekly consumable requirements


[26-Sep-23 07:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Realistically, it is a mistake to diversify your industries and experts on a single planet. You stand to make the most profit maxing our maximum SMEs or other smelting industry structures, and then expanding to someplace like Nike for construction


[26-Sep-23 07:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Good profit figures largely come from maximum experts and COGC bonuses


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**RiseofFilth**:	otherwise you tend to barely stay above breaking even


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**Churaviis**:	Yes, especially right now with AL being so expensive


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Good morning all. A look at today's POPR report:


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	PIO:


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	+ 3,347 Jobs added this week.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	+ 1,615 new PIO added this week.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	SET:


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	+870 Jobs added this week.


[27-Sep-23 04:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	+585 new SET added this week.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	TECH:


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	+211 Jobs added this week.


[27-Sep-23 04:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	+409 new TECH added this week.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	ENG:


[27-Sep-23 04:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	+0 Jobs added this week.


[27-Sep-23 04:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	+164 new ENG added this week.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	NOTES


[27-Sep-23 04:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Well, it happened a lot faster than expected: All Open Jobs are now filled! Thank you to everyone who donated and helped wrangle the uppity POPs in line!


[27-Sep-23 04:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	PIOs: Slow-down in the rate of new bases noticed. I expect the PIO buffer to at least keep pace with the new buildings.


[27-Sep-23 04:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	SET: Still carrying too much SET buffer. Still impossible to avoid while building higher-tier POPs. C'est la vie.


[27-Sep-23 04:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	TECH: -55% new Jobs being created. Unemployment doubled since last week. I will be attempting to stabilize Unemployment at around 5-8%.


[27-Sep-23 04:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	ENG: No new ENG jobs? I hope everyone who wanted ENG buildings has built them and filled them up. Please let me know if you plan to call on more ENG in the near-future so I can make sure you have the POPs you need. If you don't , well...


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	SCI: +16 SCI in a week without running a Program? Nice!


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	THAT IS ALL.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I wish you a glorious day further.


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**muzamundi**:	got my PIOs so i'm happy


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**muzamundi**:	making me wait for a full workforce...


[27-Sep-23 06:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Data-Redacted**:	Nice breakdown of the POPI, makes it much more paletable


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**Churaviis**:	Wow, that is a quick recovery from the endless shortages of before


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	SST & INF upgraded this week.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Not looking forward to when the SDP needs to be built.


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**Yinxx**:	its worth building hydroponics farms to build a carbon production line on this planet


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**RiseofFilth**:	THIS planet?


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**RiseofFilth**:	no


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**RiseofFilth**:	Nascent, yes


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**muzamundi**:	i did on this planet and it


[29-Sep-23 12:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	s saving me money


[29-Sep-23 12:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	i'd say do it until you expand then rip it down later


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**muzamundi**:	C cost way too much


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**FidelCashflow**:	yes but having deimos be smelters only, have a farm planet, and use nascent for INC not only makes more because are, the CoGC blasts the efficiency


[29-Sep-23 12:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	true, however screw efficiency and embrace laziness


[29-Sep-23 12:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	that will not get you far here..


[29-Sep-23 12:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	also newer people don't have the money to expand like that


[29-Sep-23 12:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	like me


[29-Sep-23 12:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	one smelter at a time


[29-Sep-23 12:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	having 2 farms and 4 incinerators have made my C problems go away


[29-Sep-23 12:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	pumping out a lot of metals with my 5 smelters


[29-Sep-23 12:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	well having 6 INC on nascent gives me 4x the C for 12 smelters and im almost making more off C than AL at this point


[29-Sep-23 12:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**FidelCashflow**:	all we trying to tell you is everything works much better when its in line with the CoGC


[29-Sep-23 12:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	true, and as i said embrace laziness


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**Yinxx**:	yeah, It having hydroponics farms works, and i mean works, on this planet, however it is better to work towards another base and start having those bases specialize in one production. Its just not viable for smaller companys.


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**Yinxx**:	Viable to specialize, that is.


[29-Sep-23 06:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	free ships going to antares station, post ad if needed (500,500)


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**australis**:	it is pretty painful atm


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**australis**:	for me i think i would need to try and offset the cost of carbon at some point soon


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**jelutz77**:	If you only have one base, it may be worth doing your HYF here; do the math to see if it is. If you have the funds for a second base on Nascent and an upgrade to a 3k hauler, probably want to do that.


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**Wildgardener**:	Does anyone have any MEA to sell? I can't believe how much my lazy SCI eat. Why can't they just eat RAT like everyone else when they run out of food? Only need 2 - can pay 5,500. Will put up a LM ad if there are any offers...


[04-Oct-23 04:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	That's 5,500 each... not the price for 2


[04-Oct-23 05:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Good morning all,


[04-Oct-23 05:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	"Build It And They Will Come"


[04-Oct-23 05:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	A quick look at today's POPR report.


[04-Oct-23 05:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	PIO: With 7,000+ extra PIOs arriving today and looking for work, Deimos has become a beacon of progress!


[04-Oct-23 05:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	All other POPs are in buffer and reaching the level I would like. We will soon only need to maintain the levels we are at.


[04-Oct-23 05:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	This will unfortunately make for uninteresting POPR reviews, but I am sure we all prefer full factories without worry.


[04-Oct-23 05:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Thank you to the player who told me they will be calling upon TECH & ENG soon. I have taken steps to ensure you receive your workers as soon as possible, once you build your factories.


[04-Oct-23 05:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Also, thank you to Archiel for your generous contributions to the Infrastructure this week. It is highly appreciated.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	THAT IS ALL.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I wish you a glorious day further.


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**australis**:	ty paris! ^^


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**cadoto168**:	hello there


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**RiseofFilth**:	General Kenobi! You are a bold one


[04-Oct-23 06:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	THANK YOU


[04-Oct-23 06:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	With the higher prices and demand for construction materials, is there anything your willing to do to promote infrastructure and development of personal bases from time to time?


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**yngwette**:	yeah, we buy your aluminum


[05-Oct-23 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Thank you @bigos for the incredibly generous donation! Wonderfully useful and thoughtful.


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[05-Oct-23 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Thank you @bigos for the incredibly generous donation! It is wonderfully useful and thoughtful.


[05-Oct-23 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**kapusta**:	you welcome


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	You're definitely my new favourite.


[05-Oct-23 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Don't tell the others.


[05-Oct-23 04:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	I thought you loved all your constituents equally?


[05-Oct-23 08:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	...


[05-Oct-23 08:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	...


[05-Oct-23 08:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I do.


[05-Oct-23 08:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	But "lobbying" is a valid and legal practice in this here fair Deimos.


[05-Oct-23 10:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	hmmm, here i though i was paris fav....


[05-Oct-23 10:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	guess i lost that title


[05-Oct-23 10:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	alright lads time to run against him in the next election out of spite


[06-Oct-23 01:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	@muzamundi Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!


[06-Oct-23 03:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	betrayal? boss you got it wrong. imma run, get elected, have no idea what i'm doing, screw up and further show the people that you're the better govna.


[06-Oct-23 03:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	then you'll get elected next run.


[06-Oct-23 03:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**muzamundi**:	and in the end we'll all have a good laugh at how i screwed over deimos


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**Churaviis**:	We already did that with the last guy


[06-Oct-23 11:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**KZ_Kawasaki**:	You expect voters to remember past lessons?


[06-Oct-23 11:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Swatacular**:	Who was the last guy?


[06-Oct-23 11:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Swatacular**:	Must be a different planet cause Bobemor has been the one on deimos for a long time.


[06-Oct-23 02:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Bobemor was the last guy, you don't think voters feel a difference in the infrastructure and population policies?


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**australis**:	im just saying i feel more inclined to vote for the one giving me a nice metallurgy bonus each week xd


[06-Oct-23 03:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**australis**:	that's the way to my heart (and subsequently my vote)


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**Yinxx**:	I mean, Australis has a point, This planet has curated a huge amount of folk in the metallurgy buisness, Its going to be hard to sway away from that for obvious reasons.


[07-Oct-23 03:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Haha, you'd never get enough votes to shift COCG from Metallurgy, there's at least 3 big corps depending on Deimos and they'd have members add bases here until it remains.


[07-Oct-23 04:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	@Churvaiis is certainly cheeky :P


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**Yinxx**:	@bobemor, the fella is definitly causing a ruckus with his speech isnt he.


[07-Oct-23 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	I've got more cheek than a plastic surgeon's waste bin


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**Noahdor**:	boo idk how this game works


[07-Oct-23 05:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Follow the tutorials and beginner missions. There are also some good explainer videos on youtubes as well. Be patient with yourself and you'll get it


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**Bobemor**:	ruckus really is a great word


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**RedOut**:	blu


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**RiseofFilth**:	@redout type it into the buffer


[08-Oct-23 11:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RedOut**:	Did it


[08-Oct-23 11:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**RedOut**:	Thank you :)


[08-Oct-23 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Noahdor**:	i just got a contract that says that i have to provision 4 raw silk strains at deimos but i have no clue what to do. do i make 4 raw silk strains? do i buy them? and when ive done that what do i do with them?


[08-Oct-23 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Noahdor**:	and if i do have to buy them then where do i buy them?


[08-Oct-23 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Your best option right now is to buy RSI.AI1 at your nearest commodity Exchange, which is ANT (Antares Station Commodity Exchange)  Make sure you have enough AIC to buy 4 RSI which right now would be 1,360 Credits


[08-Oct-23 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	it will take time to send a ship there, so make sure you have enough fuel, and other goods to trade in your ships inventory before you embark.


[08-Oct-23 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	if you have any further questions im here.


[08-Oct-23 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Uhmm, Once you have your needed RSI, you will send your ship back to base, and move the RSI into your base inventory, and then you should be able to complete the contract


[08-Oct-23 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Noahdor**:	well i already had a ship there for another contract and i tried to buy rsi but according to the order book nobody is offering rsi


[08-Oct-23 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	aoh


[08-Oct-23 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	yep your correct.


[08-Oct-23 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Noahdor**:	so do i then order the materials for an ivp and order the materials to make rsi and then just make the rsi myself?


[08-Oct-23 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	At your level, id recommend letting the contract die, It would be too much for you to travel to farther away Commodity Exchanges.


[08-Oct-23 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Wait for a new set of three contracts to arrive the next day. Make sure they are viable to you before you accept so you dont encounter this same situation.


[08-Oct-23 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	and that my friend is the art of the deal.


[08-Oct-23 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Noahdor**:	alright i'll do that, thx.


[08-Oct-23 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Atleast i think it is.


[08-Oct-23 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	np


[08-Oct-23 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Noahdor**:	btw at some point i'd like to start building and selling different ship types but how can i get to that point? and did i choose the right profession for that? if not how do i change profession?


[08-Oct-23 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	I can only tell you from my experience, since i want to follow the same back.  I started on this planet as a construction company and im still persuing that path to build ships.  This planet is fit more for Metallurgy, they have better perks and stuff and those folks grow way faster on this planet compared to other professions.   Early on in the game, you have the freedom to liquididate your company and start a new, or later down the line you can switch professions, just make sure you plan accordingly and you are confident in your desicions and what now.    I liquididated early on because i had no idea what i was reading and i was failing the tutorials and wasting so much money. Once i realised my errors i liquidated and restarted and ive been fine as construction professions. Its just a slow pase, im set on my tracks.


[08-Oct-23 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Noahdor**:	how do i restart completely?


[08-Oct-23 01:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**australis**:	COLIQ command completely liquidates


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**Yinxx**:	he probably went to a differernt planet


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**Cataclism**:	HELLO, HAS ANYBODY GOT A SHIP HEADING TO ANT OR VISE VERCA


[09-Oct-23 03:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Elkar**:	I will head to ANT in about 10 hours.


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**Yinxx**:	roh


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**Roh**:	wat


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**Roh**:	I've seen space for a base, and I've seized the day.


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**Roh**:	Now, it's time to make babies >:O


[09-Oct-23 11:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Roh babies


[09-Oct-23 11:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	doh


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Welcome! Congratulations on finding space.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Welcome newbros! You chose a great place to start.


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**Yinxx**:	We are all orphans in Paris in the spring time.


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**Valensexuro**:	Is anyone making carbon on Deimos?


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**Yinxx**:	Yes


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**DeliahCobay**:	Is it cheaper to just joink some food here to burn or to buy carbon directly?


[11-Oct-23 04:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	That's a big question, and one of the central decisions of the game.


[11-Oct-23 04:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	In $$ terms, it's cheaper to make Carbon from food materials.


[11-Oct-23 04:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	However, the INC building takes space, and area is a limited resource on every base.


[11-Oct-23 04:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	(Also, every building needs housing for the workers, which also takes up more space)


[11-Oct-23 04:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	If you do that, you won't be benefitting from the +25% production speed from the COGC (Chamber of Global Commerce) - that bonus is to Metallurgy buildings only. So it comes to your preferences, goals and current situation.


[11-Oct-23 04:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	In my opinion, you will be better off buying Carbon and putting up more SMEs to make ALO->AL. You'll make more units per day, even if every unit of AL is more expensive individually.


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**Inforiel**:	Personally I've been lucky enough to find stable dedicated suppliers of C and been able to buy them constantly which is great considering that C is one of the most logistically intense things to make


[11-Oct-23 04:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	It has been tempting to use some of my free permits to create a couple of bases dedicated to HFY and INC but even at my size it's annoying and cumbersome


[11-Oct-23 04:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Maybe especially at my size considering I consume over a thousand C daily for metal making purposes


[11-Oct-23 04:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	And metals are already bothersome enough in their own right. AL less so than FE but I'll digress... you can give either a go to establish your own opinion :)


[11-Oct-23 04:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	Either works, both has their own advantages


[11-Oct-23 04:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	So yet another fork in the road in this game where you make a choice of what works best for you and your playstyle


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**Valensexuro**:	Yeah, kind of just starting out and looking if it is worth vertically integrating into or not. It's a big chunk of my production expense.


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**jelutz77**:	I have a HYF/INC base on Nascent and ship C to Deimos. But then I have 21 bases.


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**RiseofFilth**:	HYF on nascent? Yikes


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Yikes indeed!


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**jelutz77**:	Makes lots of C


[11-Oct-23 04:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Probably 5kt/month


[11-Oct-23 04:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Actually, looks like about 88 C/day


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**shiba.inu**:	guys what on earth happened to the antares H price? it's even worse than benten


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**RiseofFilth**:	@jelutz77 There is a nearby HYF world, if interested. Its harmonia's neighbor planet


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**RiseofFilth**:	@shiba.inu A good friend that used to have 4 dedicated H mines around the game quit


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**RiseofFilth**:	it provided more H than anyone else in the game


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**shiba.inu**:	@RiseofFilth oh i see, thanks for the explanation


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**Roh**:	Yeah. Whenever a large supplier in any market leaves, there is almost an instantaneous market correction due to uncorrectable supply/demand relationships in the short term. It'll take a while for  entrepreneurs to secure liquidity, establish additional bases, and bring such goods to market. So in such cases, I wouldn't worry about what the price actually is, rather how much quantity you can secure for youself in a given week.


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**Roh**:	Buying up bulk during market surpluses will put a roof over your head during times like these.


[12-Oct-23 04:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Knarfaction**:	if anyone needs a loan to bring some H production online send me a dm :)


[12-Oct-23 04:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	My permits are roasted, since I'm very close to the A-fab grind. You should make the financing known in AA or UFO, so that newer players can get more engaged.


[12-Oct-23 06:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	FYI: The Afab grind starts at permit 17, you're on permit 8. You still have loads of bases before things start getting serious.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Be the change. I believe in you.


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**jelutz77**:	@RiseOfFilth already have a HYF base there too


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**jelutz77**:	@RiseOfFilth or do you mean c, where you have a base? No RE COGC. I have 7 HYF and 22 INC on Nascent


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**Roh**:	Yes, and I'm on permit 15 :D. It's not that further away.


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**Emperyan**:	If anyone is looking for FEO, I've got some listed at the LM at ZV-759e (which I've lovingly nicknamed Dolinya for it's wonderful conditions)


[12-Oct-23 04:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Emperyan**:	75/unit and I can make some fuel available to gas up on the way back if you like...


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**Wildgardener**:	I've been on Deimos 500 days and I've always produced enough RAT and DW to keep my aluminium workers happy, but is there a better agri planet near here that is fertile with H2O?


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**xflqr_**:	harmonia is very close, it's a good match with Norwick as FP base too


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**jelutz77**:	Ice Station Alpha is a good H2O planet, where I suppose the cheapest H2O in the area is sourced; might want to buy it by the shipload if you want to make DW.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	H2O is relatively cheap at the moment on the CX, and should stay cheap for a while.


[16-Oct-23 03:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	It means you don't have to handle the H2O yourself until you're ready. Instead, you can focus on the more profitable side until then.


[16-Oct-23 03:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	The Harmonia + Demeter -> Norwick FP is a very nice, highly profitable triangle to do anything food-related.


[16-Oct-23 03:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Electronica is also a good source of H2O


[16-Oct-23 03:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	Though not fertile


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**Wildgardener**:	Is Harmonia is more fertile than Deimos?


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	As governor of one of the 3 most fertile planets in the game (Pyrgos), you're gonna be disappointed by the answer:


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Demeter: -0.4% fertility


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Harmonia: -3.14% fertility


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Deimos: -10.3% fertility


[16-Oct-23 06:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	The benefit of Harmonia is the close proximity to the CX - Demeter is further. Also, both are running AGRI in their COGCs, giving that sweet +25% production speed that we all love so much.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Deimos (and Nascent) are the best ALO planets in the game.


[16-Oct-23 06:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	This is what the devs gave us to work with. Glory be.


[16-Oct-23 07:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	I was after the bonus, but my Deimos farmers seem to be coping for now...


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**TheAngryPlanet**:	Hello! very new to the game. i believe i purchased 10 BSE from the antares commodities exchange, but im seeing now that i dont have a warehouse rented there. would i still be able to get the items when my ship gets there?


[17-Oct-23 09:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**TheAngryPlanet**:	found the help page and asked there =) problem resolved.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Welcome! Glad you managed to find the answer.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Many thanks to those who contributed to the COGC this week. It is greatly appreciated :)


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Welcome all to Dread. Enjoy your stay.


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**Yinxx**:	Im willing to ship some goods to Nike.  Up to 473 t Or 486 m^3


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**Yinxx**:	Dm me if your interested.


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**DirtyOli**:	moin


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**DeliahCobay**:	What nearby planet do people use for agriculture?


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**xflqr_**:	Harmonia+Norwick


[22-Oct-23 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**xflqr_**:	or Demeter, though it's further away it does have a better fertility


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**Inforiel**:	There's also Proxion and Nemesis over around Benten


[22-Oct-23 04:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Inforiel**:	But that's a fair bit of travel as well :)


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**Churaviis**:	Nascent is also good for burning carbon or mining ALO


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**FreshFromage**:	hello world 2


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**Yinxx**:	hello world 2


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**Cataclism**:	Good day


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**Yinxx**:	Thats not how hello world works (～￣(OO)￣)ブ


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**Cataclism**:	#include <iostream>  int main() {     std::cout << "Hello World!";     return 0; }


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**Dirk_Diggler**:	Emergency hms LM ad up if anyone has some spare. Many thanks in advance :)


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**xflqr_**:	Sure :)


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**muzamundi**:	guess no incompetent gov this time, you got lucky mate


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I live a charmed and blessed existence.


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**xflqr_**:	posted a HSS ad on LM if anyone has :)


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Thank you to @CoolAir @Bobemor @ZhivGaming & @jvaler for you contributions to the COGC this week.


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**jvaler**:	ngl i'm just pawning off faction cont rewards into the cogc to maintain clean numbers in my inventory lmfao


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**jvaler**:	yw tho


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**LargeFoot**:	anybody need anything from cx? got 1k weight left


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**yngwette**:	anyone have some HE.AI1? paying 150 on lm


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Gaspode!


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**muzamundi**:	think i've gotten to the point where playing this game just feels like busy work. got a working and stable econ yet i can do more with expanding. yet doing that makes me feel meh cause it'll just be more busy work....  not sure what i wanna do next


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**muzamundi**:	i don't know, give me ideas what i can to have fun again


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**Churaviis**:	The funnest part for me is finding niche or undersupplied products that I can charge through the nose to get. It's way fun getting the record for the highest price and most gouged nose, or at least as far back as the records go


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	This is a game about logistics; getting stuff from here to there, processed, then taking it over there to process further, again and again until it's either used up or sold to someone else.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Everything is ultimately either a base or planet consumable, a fab to build or repair buildings, or a ship part.


[03-Nov-23 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Thankfully, it's really complicated, and you can't do everything yourself; you're gonna have to interact with other players somewhere - either buying raw materials you can't mine/farm/make yourself, or consumables you just can't produce yourself. It's all too much.


[03-Nov-23 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Either you diversify heavily (which can be maddening), or you hyper-focus on one or two products that you supply to the CX at a reasonable price so others don't have to mine/farm/make that particular item. Or do what Churaviis said and price-gouge on niche products until they bleed.


[03-Nov-23 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Honestly, you need to figure your own goals out yourself, and find your own endgame.


[03-Nov-23 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	(Personally, becoming the governor of a big planet is quite involved and rewarding, as is the politics at that level. But that's just part of my own personal journey)


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**RedOut**:	blu


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**RedOut**:	/blu


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**Cataclism**:	You need to do that in a buffer :)


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Many thanks to @CoolAir @DeliahCobay @jvaler @Bobemor @zillatron for the contributions to the COGC this week 🙂


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**zillatron**:	I’m very new and don’t have much idea what I’m doing but you’re welcome 😅


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**Yinxx**:	Welcome to the Universe, Your best bet to get ahold of this game is to watch the tutorials, which are really good intensive guides and asking questions of course. Have fun, and welcome.


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**Yinxx**:	Welcome to the Universe, Your best bet to get ahold of this game is to watch the tutorials, which are really good intensive guides and asking questions of course. Have fun, and welcome.


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**Komalarn**:	@DarkFuel what is that bullcrap LM buying offer, 300 AL for 1,111CIS? U mad bro?


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	Might be doing private trading through the LM for some reason :]


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**zillatron**:	@Yinxx Thank you! o7


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**ChineseEarthquake**:	lots of O on LM if anyone wants to save a trip to CX


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**xflqr_**:	oh sweet! :D


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	Much appreciated!


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**ChineseEarthquake**:	should've checked CX for updated price... I just gave you guys a huge discount lmao


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	Won't here us complaining ;]


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**xflqr_**:	hahah I thought you meant to do that


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**ChineseEarthquake**:	I swear it was 50/e for a long time, assumed it still was


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	I remember when O was that low...


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	I put up orders to stop people selling to the market maker at IC1 haha


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**Churaviis**:	Back in my day, O cost a nickel, but you had to go pick it up yourself by walking to the CX barefoot, in 4 feet of snow, uphill, both ways


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	Hahaha


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	That was back when they made real pioneers ;p


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**DiscountToys**:	I just completed the travel contract. I was supposed to receive 250 FTL but I only got 50. What should I do?


[08-Nov-23 12:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	Did it say that it'd be giving you 250 FF on Deimos?


[08-Nov-23 12:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiscountToys**:	Yes. I got 50 of it, and I got the STL I was suposed to receive.


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**KZ_Kawasaki**:	Do you have space?


[08-Nov-23 12:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiscountToys**:	Yes, I just started over.


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**KZ_Kawasaki**:	Is the contract still in your sidebar?


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**KZ_Kawasaki**:	Did it put the FF on your ship?


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**DiscountToys**:	I still see the contract and it said 250 delivered.


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**DiscountToys**:	No my ship was full of fuel.


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**DiscountToys**:	Can I put in a ticket somewhere?


[08-Nov-23 12:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	Send the contract screenshot in the Discord if you can


[08-Nov-23 12:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DiscountToys**:	Okay.


[08-Nov-23 12:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	Hard to help with contracts without understanding them entirely


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**DiscountToys**:	tis ok.


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**DiscountToys**:	Thanks


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**jelutz77**:	@churaviis also when CX was on a planet where you could walk to it :)


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**Churaviis**:	Back in my didn't we didn't have any of these fancy-schmancy ships and the only way to get to other planets was walking till the blisters on your blisters had blisters


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**jelutz77**:	Back in my day we had old ships from a planet long gone, and didn't have any shipyards to build new ones.


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**I_am_Tex**:	Yeah, every time I get frustrated about logistics with my 4 plus sized ships, I try to remind myself I used to manage many more planets with only 2 starter ships — and I wonder how we did it


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**Bobemor**:	mo ships mo problems


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**Micklesquish**:	Как у тебя дела в этот прекрасный-прекрасный день?


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**jelutz77**:	Yeah, I had what... 10 bases with only 2 ships? Now 20+ bases with plus sized ships.


[10-Nov-23 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jelutz77**:	4 plus sized ships


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**AgentSmith630**:	As a Metallurgist, should I focus on getting a second smelter before a second extractor? Or should I put the building mats towards a different type of resource extraction?


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**AgentSmith630**:	or save them for a base upgrade?


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**australis**:	1 extractor should 100% cover multiple smelters


[10-Nov-23 07:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Selling AL has a higher profit margin but selling ALO will have a faster ROI, which may be better for a cash-strapped new player


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**Anpache**:	Posted for some O over CX because I am bad at math


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**virtual**:	cxm bbe


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	Fair ;]


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	Anyone here have 3 BTA I could buy? Made a nice error with my math :]


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	Ill post it on LM


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	Thank you!!


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**Yinxx**:	deimos has seemed to hit a quiet era


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**zillatron**:	I'm here! =]


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**FreshFromage**:	question is, is everyone working hard or hardly working?


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**Domicius**:	Get back to work @FreshFromage


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**zillatron**:	Smelting as fast as my little smelters will smelt! @FreshFromage


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**Hazmat997**:	Hazardous LTD, working hard making prefabs, so you can build your empire


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**FreshFromage**:	and Fromage Heavy Industries makes the reinforced glass you need to make your RTA


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**FreshFromage**:	(number 1 producer of RG in the galaxy!)


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**australis**:	AL for life


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	@FreshFromage Impressive RG production, especially since I know how much I produce and you've overtaken me 😉


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**ChineseEarthquake**:	more O on LM if people need it


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	If anyone has any TRU, I'm buying two on the LM :]


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**Wildgardener**:	TRU delivered...


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	Thank you!


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**acesplace**:	So I just joined as a metallurgist. I'm following the prompts to build the starter buildings. I try to build HB1 but I don't have the materials to do it. The button isn't lighting up.


[13-Nov-23 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**acesplace**:	Nevermind, found a tutorial button lol. Let me watch this first. Sorry to bother.


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**FreshFromage**:	dont feel obliged to follow the crowd and just smelt aluminium like everyone else, have a look at what else could be profitable to produce with your smelter


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**Prometheusu**:	is there something that is super profitable?


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**MvdS**:	I've noticed that anything produced by higher tier workers (technicians, engineers, scientists) is more profitable. But those buildings are an expensive investment, and there are often few buyers for those products. Which makes it more risky to invest as well.


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**MvdS**:	By the way, compared to real life, everything is super profitable in this game. A 30 day return on investment? That's kind of average in this game, but extremely rare on earth :-)


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**Churaviis**:	Figuring out what is more profitable is the whole game. It shifts all the time so you've got to watch out


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**virtual**:	cxm ast


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**ChineseEarthquake**:	posted buying ads for FF & SF on LM if anyone can help me get my new ship off the ground..


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**MvdS**:	I'll fullfil it in 65 minutes


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**Elkar**:	I forgot to bring O to my base. Does anyone have any spare to sell? I've posted an ad.


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**Elkar**:	Thanks, that was fast.


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**Cataclism**:	Anyone looking to start a base on Vulcan?


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**MrSmith33**:	yes


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**PiBoy314**:	5 shipping ads posted for 12,000 AIC each on the Nike LM going from ANT to Nike. LM ZV-194a


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**Dave-Johnson**:	damn this is all new


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**roganartu**:	hey, if anyone (newbros included) is interested in joining a group making fabs, we're in need of an AL smelter either on Deimos or Vulcan (next door). All inputs would be provided, and the weekly payout is in lfabs and rfabs (the very same ones you need for HQ upgrades for permits 7 through 17 ;) ). PRO required. Zero-interest loans available if you need it, shoot me a DM in game or on discord (same username) if you're interested :)


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**RiseofFilth**:	I'll vouch for Roganartu's offer. We got a great group of guys, with loans available to give newbros and vets up to speed within a week. Waiting 2 months on your first base to expand is dumb. Join up, make some real cash, and get into the meat of the game faster!


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**jvaler**:	^^^


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**jvaler**:	so much more complexity and depth once you start expanding


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**jvaler**:	way more fun


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**Bluperman949**:	I would but I don't have a pro license


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**Cataclism**:	you can get up to level 5 without pro


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**Cataclism**:	(6 permits)


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**Cataclism**:	*HQ level 5


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Many thanks to @CoolAir, @jvaler & @Nopetapus for contributions to the COGC this week 👍


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**roganartu**:	yeah but the bigger problem is the lack of contracts @cataclism


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**Cataclism**:	Aha


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**SpaceMike**:	Not having recurring contracts also greatly increases busy-work


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**virtual**:	cxm ove


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**RedOut**:	/blu


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**RedOut**:	.blu


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**Cataclism**:	?


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Welcome all to Deimos, the best AL planet in the game ✌️


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**jvaler**:	i forgot BHP from ANT facepalm


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**jvaler**:	posted an LM buy ad at current BHP.AI1 price if anyone has some they wanna get rid of


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**jvaler**:	thank you!!


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**CptColeslaw**:	shipping ad up from Hephaestus to here, if anyone has a little room headed this way


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**virtual**:	cxm sio


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**Churaviis**:	You'll want to hit the "NEW BFR" button in the bottom left and input your commands there.


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**RedOut**:	Hey guys


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**RedOut**:	Can anyone deliver me some fuel?


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**caskman**:	put up an LM ad and someone will pick it up


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**WYATTHY**:	Anyone Looking for a new crop member even tough i am a complete noob


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**Precision**:	how do i pick stuff up i just bought


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**Archiel**:	You've got to fly a ship to the CX and load it up.


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**Archiel**:	You might want to watch a few of the youtube tutorials


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**Precision**:	will do


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**Archiel**:	If you don't have a warehouse there, the things you bought might have ended up in a contract


[09-Dec-23 10:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	you can pick them up out of the contract when a ship gets there


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**Archiel**:	(or rent a warehouse, which is cheap and very useful at the CX)


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**virtual**:	cxm gl


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**Churaviis**:	Try that in the button in the bottom left that says "NEW BFR"


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**virtual**:	cxm o


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	cxm he


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**virtual**:	fxpo cis/aic


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Thank you to @Bobemor @jvaler & @CoolAir for your contributions to the COGC this week ✌️


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**jvaler**:	np


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**caskman**:	forgot to bring fuel for my new ship, posted ads for SF and FF


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	yay new ship! 🥳


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**Wildgardener**:	Order filled...I did the same - enjoy your new ship


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**caskman**:	thanks!


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**jones-danby**:	hello all..


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**WYATTHY**:	HELLO


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**WYATTHY**:	lol


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**WYATTHY**:	I see your brand spanking new


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**jones-danby**:	ohh yes,...


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**jones-danby**:	need a little time i think...


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**WYATTHY**:	lol


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**WYATTHY**:	yeah thats fair


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**I_am_Tex**:	Welcome!  yes, it takes time.  Frequently a bit more than a "little"


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**jones-danby**:	:) yes,..100%


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**WYATTHY**:	i took me like five days to plot out my plan XD


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**jones-danby**:	i think i need the same time but for understand how i build a base....:)


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**jones-danby**:	englisch is not my motherlanguage


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**WYATTHY**:	What is?\


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**jones-danby**:	german


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**WYATTHY**:	Nice


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**WYATTHY**:	I dont know any german XD


[12-Dec-23 04:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**I_am_Tex**:	Follow the tutorials and it will get you started pretty well.  One frequently missed step after building your initial base is moving the supplies from your ship into the base.


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**I_am_Tex**:	They are working on a German translation of the game, but I don't think it is live yet.


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**jones-danby**:	me too... :)) they all left the country..:)


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**jones-danby**:	i,... more the " learning by doing idiot...)


[12-Dec-23 04:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**I_am_Tex**:	All of the in game chat channels to my knowledge are in English.  We have a very helpful community that will help with any questions you have (granted mostly in English).


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**WYATTHY**:	Btw if you ever need any help im here i may not be the best but :D


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**I_am_Tex**:	I recommend the global "Help" channel instead of this specific planet channel because there are more people in the Help channel so you will get a faster response.  You can also ask here, it just might take longer to get an answer.


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**WYATTHY**:	That is very true also if you want to join a corp they can be helpful in teaching you the ropes


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**I_am_Tex**:	Willkommen!   (Pretty much the end of my Gernam)


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**jones-danby**:	my english is different from day to day.depends on the distraction and concentration in real life.i hope you can understand my english?


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**WYATTHY**:	Emphasis on can though but in my expernice the community is pretty welcoming


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**WYATTHY**:	also your english is great


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**jones-danby**:	haha.. thanks..  for the wellcome


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**I_am_Tex**:	Your english is just fine so far.  I am having no trouble understanding you.


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**jones-danby**:	ok,.. thanks..:)


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**WYATTHY**:	:D


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**WYATTHY**:	I love how I'm completely ignoring my Spanish class lol


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**jones-danby**:	you from spain?


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**WYATTHY**:	No good ol United States of America


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**WYATTHY**:	Im just taking Spanish because my new school does not offer Chinese


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**WYATTHY**:	anyway i have to go but talk later ;D


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**jones-danby**:	ah now i understand


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**WYATTHY**:	Bye


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**jones-danby**:	i learn ebglisch and russian...and later portugese


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**jones-danby**:	bye:)


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**I_am_Tex**:	I can barely speak my home language.  4 blows my mind.


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**jones-danby**:	:)


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**I_am_Tex**:	I need to run.  The tutorials should get you a basic familiarity with the game.  Beyond that, ask a lot of questions either here or in the Help channel and someone will answer you.  Welcome to the game and we hope you stay for a while!!


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**jones-danby**:	i will do that. thanks for you help:)


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**virtual**:	if anyone here, if u look just need a few strecher ( STR ) in hospital so pionners can get satisfaction up to   can get up to


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**virtual**:	i don't produce those at all


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**virtual**:	ha sorry that helath would be for settlers, pionners need to build more safety builfdings i guess


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**PiBoy314**:	Pioneers don't need more satisfaction at the moment. There's unemployed people in each tier. The only point in making more is if people need them. Otherwise unemployment will grow and cancel out any increase in happiness gained


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**virtual**:	cxm fal


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**virtual**:	cxm si


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**australis**:	https://i.imgur.com/BSTAJAk.png

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**australis**:	at last


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**killerdaichi**:	hey im starting out anyone have any drinking water still trying to learn all the menus


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**Churaviis**:	You should have some starting consumables in one of your bases. If you need more then you'll have to buy it from the CX as free accounts are not allowed to trade directly with other players to prevent multi-account abuse. Follow the tutorial missions and you'll learn how it all works.


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**virtual**:	cxm t


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**Jackie_Brown**:	hey yall im new any tips/lore


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**Nopetapus**:	Well, the TRU.AI1 price is fairly irrational right now, so, uh, build a Welding Plant and its inputs?


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	Follow your company's namesake ;]


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**virtual**:	fnope u hav eto go to hubur buy tru.. far far away


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**virtual**:	man look at what price i bought my tru ...Partner	Amount	Price	Time Polymetal Retrieval	67	125.00 NCC	54 days ago


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**virtual**:	i still have some left


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**YoshiGNs**:	God this is a lot


[19-Dec-23 02:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	pay attention to the tutorials


[19-Dec-23 02:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	and ask questions


[19-Dec-23 02:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	:)


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**Alexiscrazy239**:	how do you play


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**virtual**:	cxm med


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**blackairforces225**:	Hello just joined


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**PiBoy314**:	Hello!


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**Robert3**:	wow this is such a great game. It doesnt seem very free though


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**virtual**:	cxm al


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**PiBoy314**:	You can do most things on FREE and still grow to be a big player. CX trading and up to 5 full bases, which will take a while to fill.


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**PiBoy314**:	But I think at that point it’s worth paying $8 for PRO at least once. Once you do you drop to BASIC and can now accept contracts. You can also upgrade your ships and your HQ while on PRO


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**Dover**:	With FREE or BASIC you are limited to flying only 2 ships at a time. That's been the biggest struggle for me coming back to the game without going back to PRO


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**Dover**:	And the recurring orders of course...


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**Churaviis**:	The devs gotta eat


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**MvdS**:	recurringly!


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	@Dover, how many ships do you have? :o


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	@MyseriousWalrus Never enough.


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	Very true :p


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**Dover**:	I only have 3, I was in the process of designing the fourth when I stepped away from the game.


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	I'm right about where you left off it seeme :o


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**PiBoy314**:	I’ve got 6, which is way overkill but I always have shipping when I need it.


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**SpaceWigger**:	this is the chat for players on deimos planet?


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**PiBoy314**:	Correct


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**Skeltcher**:	How do I restore a screen to the default template? I messed up the contracts screen xD


[22-Dec-23 02:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Skeltcher**:	Also how do I remove contracts from the contract list? Theres a bunch of "cancelled" contracts here.


[22-Dec-23 02:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	You can't delete contracts from the Contracts list. They are there forever.


[22-Dec-23 02:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	You can see Active/Pending Contracts by pressing the SDBR button on the top left of the left-hand list (this also shows you how much $$ you have in each currency)


[22-Dec-23 02:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I don't think it's possible to restore a screen to the default template (perhaps someone else will correct me). However, the default template isn't the best imo. I suggest designing your own template for each individual base, and then copying that template for all your bases. Include everything you will need on that one page for that base.


[22-Dec-23 02:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Having the info you need in the same place every time helps speed up your time per base


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**australis**:	there's the "undo delete" button in the screen page


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**australis**:	i dont know how far it goes back but i just got two screens i deleted maybe a month ago back


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**virtual**:	fxpo ncc/aic


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**WYATTHY**:	Happy Christmas Eve to everyone who celebrates it


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**STech**:	what to do after finishing tutorial?


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**I_am_Tex**:	Unfortunately there is a lot of waiting for your production orders to finish.  The game is very slow in the early stages when you only have one base.


[24-Dec-23 09:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**I_am_Tex**:	If you are playing on a free account -- you can trade on the exchanges.  Buy low / Sell high can work very well in this game especially on high volume goods.


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**I_am_Tex**:	If you have a Paid account or basic account -- You can also do shipping contracts to make money with your ships.


[24-Dec-23 09:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**I_am_Tex**:	Also.....many of us spend hours planning our future bases with tools like prunplanner.


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**Roh**:	This game is very slow, even when you've got a few years into it. The thing is, the more reading time you put into this game in the early stages, the less you'll be putting in as your operations mature.


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**PiBoy314**:	Lots of new people. Welcome!


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**AlexisRose**:	Hi!


[26-Dec-23 06:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AlexisRose**:	I may have messed up when starting, I queued my first production order for the max without reading the tutorial and now I'm waiting for like 12 days for that to finish


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**AlexisRose**:	so may not be active for a bit!


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**PiBoy314**:	@AlexisRose you can cancel the order with little penalty!


[26-Dec-23 07:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	You'll get a portion of your input and a portion of your output back


[26-Dec-23 07:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Definitely do that as you'll probably run out of consumables before those 12 days are up and you could use the money from smaller orders to expand


[26-Dec-23 07:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	unless it's smelting, once it passes a certain threshhold the carbon is no longer recoverable. i'm pretty sure it's % based though so the long runtime could give you more leeway


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**jvaler**:	just make sure to check


[26-Dec-23 07:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	But probably 12 days is too long


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**AlexisRose**:	@PiBoy314 thanks for the advice! I had totally missed the option to cancel the order


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**Kubernetes**:	selling some ALO super cheap to clear space


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**Kindling**:	Last consumables delivery was missing a crate of coffee, so understandably the foundry is now in a state of uproar, close to revolt. 😱 I have posted an emergency ad for some COF on the LM. Please help me, I'm not sure how much longer I can contain this unrest!


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**Neth_Havoc**:	Here you go! :)


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**Kindling**:	Thank you! I was getting a bit worried for my own safety there.


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**Neth_Havoc**:	Understandable!! :D


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**Kubernetes**:	500 ALO free on LM!


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**jvaler**:	tsym!!


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**Kubernetes**:	I was completely jammed lol couldn't get anything onto or off my ship!


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**RedOut**:	Hey guys


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**RedOut**:	Where can I take a loan?


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**Roh**:	Is that a SpaceBalls reference? :D


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**BinarySage**:	Only one person would give me the respberry!


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**PiBoy314**:	@RedOut PM me when you get a chance


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**Soce**:	should faction contracts be appearing often since i´m a new player? the last one received and fulfilled was 2 days ago. I have checked the buffer FA AI and the receive contract offers is on? do you know what may be wrong?


[29-Dec-23 07:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	They won't show up if there is one still open that you haven't accepted or rejected


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**Soce**:	all accepted and fulfilled


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**Soce**:	thats what i find strange


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**GurkNasty**:	Hi al! The tutorial said it would be a slow go in the very beginning. If ive created my first orders, is that all for now?


[30-Dec-23 07:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**australis**:	pretty much


[30-Dec-23 07:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**australis**:	you can plan out your bases or have a look at the markets to see what you want to do in the future, but otherwise, now is just waiting for your outputs so you can sell them on the cx


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**skyx700**:	Oh, this is a spreadsheet simulator.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	lol


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**Rampedindent**:	Looked like a spreadsheet simulator on the marketing I saw


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**mama_night**:	first contract: craft something!


[02-Jan-24 09:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	*cant actually craft anything*


[02-Jan-24 09:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	WAIT THESE ARENT IN GAME HOURS???


[02-Jan-24 09:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	damn


[02-Jan-24 09:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	guess i'll check back in 4 hours...


[02-Jan-24 01:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**xflqr_**:	thats the spirit! :D


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**kernelpanic.rb**:	is there any way to speed up extractor times?


[02-Jan-24 05:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**kernelpanic.rb**:	or smelter times?


[02-Jan-24 05:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**kernelpanic.rb**:	increase the # of pinoneers?


[02-Jan-24 05:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**kernelpanic.rb**:	pls lmk ... this game isnt going to be much fun if i really need to run the game in the background for 14h + each queued item before i can proceed with the next steads


[02-Jan-24 06:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AlexisRose**:	you don't have to run nit in the background, you can turn it off and come back to it


[02-Jan-24 06:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AlexisRose**:	know that doesn't help much but that's what I got


[02-Jan-24 06:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	This game is played over long periods of time. You’re meant to log in for a few minutes each day to tend to your bases. Although it does get faster eventually,


[02-Jan-24 06:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Just because there’s so much going on even when production orders still take hours


[02-Jan-24 10:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	this game should not keep my interest why am i back?


[02-Jan-24 11:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Number go up


[02-Jan-24 11:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	But in all seriousness, this gameplay hooks certain types of people (like me) with all of the planning and slow execution. The opposite of a RTS game even though it’s in real time


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**zillatron**:	Hello fellow Deimos-ions, I have 10 CF for sale on the LM for a few hundred under the CX price if anyone needs a little bargin :)


[04-Jan-24 12:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Happy to take the CF off your hands.


[04-Jan-24 01:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**zillatron**:	Thanks ! :D


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[04-Jan-24 08:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	can this planet support a farm? the soil fertility level looks kinda on the line. i "specialized" in construction but i want some passive income


[04-Jan-24 08:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**CptColeslaw**:	if you're just looking to sell something, EXT for ALO and SME for AL are your best option hehe


[04-Jan-24 08:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	got it. thank you


[04-Jan-24 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	I have a couple of farms for GRN just to feed a few INC


[04-Jan-24 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	But that also just helps feed the SME for AL


[04-Jan-24 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	It's recommended that you specialize with the planet's COGC bonus, which for Deimos is smelting. Harmonia is right next door, has better fertility and an agricultural COGC bonus


[04-Jan-24 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	It is worth noting, any planet with fertility *can* grow stuff with farms, just doesn't mean it's going to be efficient to do so :]


[04-Jan-24 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	And even without fertility, there's always a HYF...


[04-Jan-24 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	Very true :]


[04-Jan-24 03:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	how do you get more pioneers working for you?


[04-Jan-24 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	nvm forgot google exists lol


[04-Jan-24 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	nvm google wont tell me why the WF command wont work.


[04-Jan-24 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	WF isn't meant to be accessed manually. open a "BS [planet ticker]" buffer/tile and click the "Workforce" button


[04-Jan-24 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	in this case "BS ZV-759c"


[04-Jan-24 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	oh... weird. thanks!!


[04-Jan-24 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	the workforce command doesn't answer your question though. you get more workforce by building habitation buildings. you will automatically grant you workers depending on their avaliability on the planet and the demands of your other buildings


[04-Jan-24 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	you will automatically be granted workers*


[04-Jan-24 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	you can roughly see the avaliability of workers by clicking the population number in the "PLI ZV-759c" buffer/tile


[04-Jan-24 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	thanks!


[04-Jan-24 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	on deimos there's enough pioneers for your demands to be immediately met upon constructing buildings that need them. on less populated planets though, you may need to wait for the population report refresh for workers to be allocated to you. you can tell how many workers you will get instantly by the number in parenthesis when looking at buildings in the construction buffer/tile


[04-Jan-24 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	that's quite a bit aways for you to worry about though


[04-Jan-24 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	ok. yea i just started a few days ago. literally just trying to set up an extractor to get some passive income and thought more pioneers would make the construction of it go faster


[04-Jan-24 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	construction of buildings is instant


[04-Jan-24 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	you just need to have all the construction materials ready


[04-Jan-24 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	i mean getting the materials for construction sry


[04-Jan-24 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	ah


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	as long as your buildings are 100% staffed you're good. going over 100% staffing has no benefit


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	just waiting on my order of 10 BSE which has 1 day left


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	are you using luxury consumables like PWO.AI1 and COF.AI1? they improve the efficiency factor of your production lines considerably


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	oh. yea. wow. maybe i need to make another prefab plant then? and no im not. i'll consider it


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	oh you say construction as in producing prefabs? that's rare on deimos


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	that explains the confusion sorry lol


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MvdS**:	I started my second base on an unpopulated world on my 3rd day in the game, so never say never :-) But I got quite a bit of help with it, an experienced player happened to offer a deal for a new player in the global chat that I responded to


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	wow it looks lonely out there lmaoo


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	how'd that even happen?


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	nice! yea i get the feeling this game is filled with players who are nerdy and kind. lol


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	definitely. there's many established players itching to give out loans and grants to new players


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MvdS**:	The player was looking to fund a base for someone to collect HE3. I said I'd be interested but I really had no idea what would be involved with it at that point :-)


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MvdS**:	Now I'm the #13 HE3 producer in the game, and have a regular customer for what I produce there


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	nice!


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	that's the dream


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	i've got a similar situation with BGO & BRO


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	nice. you bGO BRO


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	sry i had to


[04-Jan-24 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	lmfao


[04-Jan-24 05:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CptColeslaw**:	xD bravo


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**mama_night**:	it took me this long to realize my specialty in "construction" meant selling prefabs. everything makes sense now. rofl.


[04-Jan-24 05:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	lolol


[04-Jan-24 05:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	yeah, each building has a "type". that "type" matters because of the CoGC (chamber of global commerce, a planetary infrastructure). the CoGC grants an efficiency bonus to all buildings that align with it's selected "type". deimos' CoGC is metallurgy, meaning things like "BUI SME" are very profitable, and non-metallurgy buildings less so


[04-Jan-24 05:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	ah


[04-Jan-24 05:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	personally, if i were you i would "COLIQ" in a buffer and choose the metallurgy profession on deimos instead. you'd only lose 2 days or so of progress which is very little in the totality of the game. if you'd rather not though, you could work on building SME to supply your prefab plants with AL


[04-Jan-24 05:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	wait, PP1 use FE not AL


[04-Jan-24 05:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	could import FEO for a while until you get some PP2s


[04-Jan-24 05:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Firstly, I saw that bGO BRO PUN. Your eviction papers are being processed.


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**mama_night**:	XD fair


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Secondly, there are many players that would be happy to help a newbro get a leg up (myself included). There are often far too many demands and projects, and not enough hands.


[04-Jan-24 05:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	they would require PRO license to get any material assistance though


[04-Jan-24 05:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	True. No one can help or interact with you directly with you having a PRO or BASIC license.


[04-Jan-24 05:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	*without


[04-Jan-24 05:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	im new and not sure i wanna spend money on this yet. it is a very.. interesting game lol. but im having fun so far


[04-Jan-24 05:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	entirely fair. do understand PRO or BASIC licenses are entirely optional for at least the first 3+ months of gameplay or more depending on your speed. the only real hard caps on your growth from not having PRO is the 5 base limit and 2 ship flight limits


[04-Jan-24 05:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	and without loans or grants from players that 5 base limit won't be quick to reach, like i said 3+ months at least


[04-Jan-24 05:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	so don't feel obligated to buy a license. test the waters first


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**mama_night**:	so apparently theres a mobile version? maybe i can get a new company on there and see how i like it? i can remove whatever of the companies i end up not wanting to play as and focus on the one i want? idk


[05-Jan-24 12:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	oh it says no multiple accounts. damn.


[05-Jan-24 12:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	im probably gunna just liquidate


[05-Jan-24 12:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**mama_night**:	its been a pleasure knowing yall. idk what planet i'll be playing on but may our paths cross again


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**Yinxx**:	man, i just acidentally put 20k in APEX REPRESENTATION CENTER. I dont even know what that is. Do you know?


[05-Jan-24 01:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	*for context* i put about 10% into every now and then. I still dont know what it is though.


[05-Jan-24 01:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	I guess my question should, is it worth it?


[05-Jan-24 01:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	The ARC is basically a money sink - an in-game explaination of how all the new players have supplies to start :]


[05-Jan-24 01:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	its charity, sweet. I understand


[05-Jan-24 02:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Unfortunately, it's not charity. The cash & ships & bmats new players get on start are created out of nothing and are not linked to any in-game mechanic.


[05-Jan-24 02:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	The ARC is there for old, established dragons to pour money into as a way to compete with each other on who has the biggest pile of money and is willing to burn it all for rep.


[05-Jan-24 03:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Cataclism**:	But your still level 0? lol


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**Archiel**:	No one can see it, but we have put a bunch of money in our corp ARC too lol


[05-Jan-24 09:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	Most people haven't really gotten into the ARC thing cause it's pretty lightweight


[05-Jan-24 09:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	It's not super visible


[05-Jan-24 09:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**CptColeslaw**:	yeah, sad there isn't a leaderboard for corp ARC yet...


[05-Jan-24 09:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**CptColeslaw**:	idc about my company one, but I'd dump way too much into that contest 😅


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	@Cataclism I don't burn money for rep, and I'm not a dragon either. I am but a poor, humble governor, making planetary ends meet with the meager scraps of MCG and DW I can scrape together.


[05-Jan-24 01:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	Very relatable hahaha ;]


[05-Jan-24 04:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RedOut**:	Hey guys


[05-Jan-24 04:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RedOut**:	Can someone give me a loan? :)


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**roganartu**:	if anyone is interested in joining a group making BBH/BSE, we're looking for someone with a base on Deimos to mine a combination of ALO and O, as well as a PP2 base on Nike making BSE. Loans available to get you setup, if you're interested drop me a DM in game or on discord (same username)


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**Churaviis**:	You could make your own bases on Nascent and Etherwind for ALO and O respectively


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**Harpercz**:	234 AIC per Carbon unit :D  the courage of some local market ads is unbelievable


[07-Jan-24 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FreshFromage**:	speaking of unbelievable...


[07-Jan-24 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FreshFromage**:	REP.AI1


[07-Jan-24 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FreshFromage**:	anyone with a BMP, get on REP and become a rich man


[07-Jan-24 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Harpercz**:	whats going on :D


[07-Jan-24 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Harpercz**:	i have one planet full of BMP which is not working right now.... so. i know what to do :D


[07-Jan-24 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FreshFromage**:	price gouging is whats going on


[07-Jan-24 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FreshFromage**:	2090 spread lol


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**CptColeslaw**:	the 235 AIC C is internal corp pricing. corps with lower internal pricing still use the LMs for trading amongs themselves ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


[07-Jan-24 04:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Harpercz**:	that make sense.....))


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**virtual**:	anyone has a few HMS i can buy in Deimos plz ?


[08-Jan-24 11:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Put an ad on the LM and someone will fill it.


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**Hernanduer**:	ah well, if it were that big an emergency I figure you would offer more than CX price ;)


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	lol @Hernandeur stop being mean to the newbro :P


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**jvaler**:	what's a newbro doing with technicians?


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	Holy, here I was always thinking virtual was an older player than I was


[08-Jan-24 04:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	@jvaler, probably being in GTU


[08-Jan-24 05:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	oh HWP maybe? GTU does ships right?


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	Yup


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	At least parts of GTU does


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**Dover**:	Anyone selling ALO these days?


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**virtual**:	cxm rep


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	I make a whole .03 ALO/d !


[09-Jan-24 04:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	@dover post ALO LM ads on deimos for 75/u, they'll get filled


[09-Jan-24 04:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	at least, mine do. enough to supply a full 20 SME base running AL


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**ckinling**:	how to play this game... too difficult to understand the system


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**ckinling**:	most important my first inventory items only enough to build 1 building


[10-Jan-24 07:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Willger**:	1 building or one of each, you did the tutorial?


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**ckinling**:	is 1 buidling


[11-Jan-24 09:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**ckinling**:	the tutorial i did follow


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**ckinling**:	then only can build 2nd building


[11-Jan-24 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**sichas**:	hello


[11-Jan-24 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**sichas**:	even with tutorial this game is kinda complicated


[11-Jan-24 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**sichas**:	if MEA (Quality meal) bought for my workforce (basic), will it increase productivity in Extractor?


[11-Jan-24 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Willger**:	no.. MEA is food fpr scientists, EXT only has pioneers


[11-Jan-24 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Willger**:	look at your base workforce, there you can find what your workers need


[11-Jan-24 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**sichas**:	ok, thanks


[11-Jan-24 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**xflqr_**:	oh no this makes me wonder how many newer players have bought expensive foods with this train of thought


[11-Jan-24 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**sichas**:	ye, make some jokes about it now :)


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**WYATTHY**:	anyone on deimos be making DW or RAT


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[11-Jan-24 11:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Not on Deimos. AGRI/FP products are best made on planets where the COGC aligns with those products.


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**WYATTHY**:	ik


[11-Jan-24 01:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**WYATTHY**:	i was just wondering


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[11-Jan-24 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AlexisRose**:	*cough cough* just a newbie figuring they can be somewhat self-sufiecient and thus cut costs don't mind me working towards a food processor


[11-Jan-24 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	the cut costs in this case happen to be less than what you'd gain from another SME or EXT


[11-Jan-24 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	The stuff you make isn’t free: it could be sold on the market so it’s costing you to consume it yourself


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[11-Jan-24 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CptColeslaw**:	right, if you "save" 100 AIC per day with a FP, but you could have made 200/d with a SME, then the FP isn't actually saving you anything, it's costing you 100. better to smelt more AL and sell it to buy DW/RAT


[11-Jan-24 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	Base planning requires input from shipping constraints, opportunity cost, market availability, and user preference, of course.


[11-Jan-24 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	You could plop down 100% SMEs on Deimos, but then you'd have to feed those furnaces with Ore, FLX, C, and O derived from elsewhere.


[11-Jan-24 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	A new player with x2 FTL ships could easily do that, but when they decide to expand to other planets, they'll have to make some hard decisions.


[11-Jan-24 04:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AlexisRose**:	there's also the opportunity cost of having my ships constantly in motion between my base and the exchange, not to mention the fuel cost to run all those trips. To my mind I might lose some money in the grand scheme but I'm saving myself hassel in the long run as far as I can see


[11-Jan-24 04:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Does anyone know the fastest way to make money in this game? Asking for a friend.


[11-Jan-24 04:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	Embezzlement


[11-Jan-24 04:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	used to be pirating NPCs with luck


[11-Jan-24 05:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	if you're not filling your ships on their run to the market you're loosing money from efficiency, so producing the DW and RATs locally means you eliminate those loses, which are huge for new players


[11-Jan-24 05:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	a round trip costs about 2k-2.4k n fuel and the hidden long term costs in repairs, so extra 100 a day from a smelter is actually a huge loss for new players as you need to do round trips at least 2 times a week and that is being conservative about it.


[11-Jan-24 05:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	you're limited in storage space, until you invest in expanding it, so you can't bring back even if you can afford to tie up so much money in reserve stocks of DW and RATs to achieve fewer trips


[11-Jan-24 05:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	for the same reason it is actually better for newer players to produce farming localy then at the farm planet, until they have the resources and scale to move materials efficiently then to do it on the farm planet in the nearby system


[11-Jan-24 05:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	you guys are giving bad advice, coming from an already established industrial capacity which can take advantage of scale, where new players cannot  and would be loosing a large part of their profits in transport costs.


[11-Jan-24 06:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AlexisRose**:	thank you!


[11-Jan-24 06:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AlexisRose**:	:D


[11-Jan-24 06:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	Also early on for new players my advice would be go farming


[11-Jan-24 06:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AlexisRose**:	yeah, I messed up a few times starting my mettalurgy business but we're getting going!


[11-Jan-24 06:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AlexisRose**:	I knew my econ classes would come in handy


[11-Jan-24 06:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	Get a rig and 2 farmsteads, much bigger profit then 2 smelters, not even close


[11-Jan-24 06:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	2 smelters will produce about 7.4 AL per day which comes to around 4.5K when sold, 2 farmsteads will get you a little over 20 GRN a day which you get the same when sold


[11-Jan-24 06:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	except you have 0 additional costs to make other then the worker costs which are the same


[11-Jan-24 06:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	where the AL you need to by the base materials


[11-Jan-24 06:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AlexisRose**:	my current plan to bank on technically being a metallurgist is to, after making a food processor to save on food costs, make another farmstead and an incenerator to make carbon, then I don't have to pay anybody for materials to make Al or to survive besides like, clothes and coffee


[11-Jan-24 06:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AlexisRose**:	and then we save money


[11-Jan-24 06:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	yes


[11-Jan-24 06:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	I actually run a refinery for my fuel and will now become self suficients on the one smelter, though I make very little from it, 90% of my profits have come from farmsteads and the fuel refinery


[11-Jan-24 06:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	doing GRN and HCP contracts and it's still not even close to efficient


[11-Jan-24 06:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	game is too slow, not very liquid, so the simpler the supply chain the higher the return you can consistently get back


[11-Jan-24 08:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	Not very liquid? Supplying consumers with what they need is the best way to get wet. Although, much of the exchanges occur through shady back-door dealings, where the side closets are filled with questionable mannequins adorned in gimpy outfits, and stinky socks left on the ground.


[11-Jan-24 08:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**AlexisRose**:	how do I play the game they're talking about? Sounds fun as heck


[11-Jan-24 08:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	@PointyDexter i have no clue what alternate universe you're living in where FRMs and RIGs on __DEIMOS__ is more profitable than COGC aligned SMEs running AL


[11-Jan-24 08:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	wait i think i see your error. 2 SME do not take up the same area as 2 FRM, you can't compare the two 1:1


[11-Jan-24 08:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	you can fit 20 SME in 500 area, you can only fit 10 FRM + 9 RIG in that same area


[11-Jan-24 09:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	@PointyDexter You are going to need to go to the CX to sell your products anyways. Hauling back consumables doesn't cost you extra. Plus if you can find shipping contracts flying either way you make money on the deal


[11-Jan-24 09:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	@AlexisRose that is a valid play style: Trying to go self sufficient. But you aren't saving money. Sure, you make 10 RAT but you could sell those RAT for 1,000 AIC. When you consume them you lose that opportunity, costing you 1,000 AIC as if you had bought them from the CX


[11-Jan-24 09:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	I'd encourage you to look at starting a base on Harmonia if you want to move towards self sufficiency. You get the benefits of having more efficient industry, meaning more profit, meaning faster growth


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[11-Jan-24 11:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	What a wonderfully spirited debate my question started :)


[11-Jan-24 11:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	To remind you all, my question was "Does anyone know the fastest way to make money in this game?"


[11-Jan-24 11:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	The real answer is "Use other people's money!"


[11-Jan-24 11:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	This is not a solo game; every single item on the CX was made by a real person. Every blue tile on the planet, indicates a player base.


[11-Jan-24 11:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	There are many, many players who will help a newbro with setting up their base, even with setting up a new base from scratch, as well as with ships and resources.


[11-Jan-24 11:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I believe the game really gets fun when you move into the 6-12 base stage. Getting there sooner is a good thing imo.


[11-Jan-24 11:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	Alright here we go. In 500 space you can fit 8 habitats, 6 rigs and 12 farmsteads for a total cost of 492,400. In the same space you can fit 11 habitats and 23 smelters for a total cost of 763,008.  The farming will produce 90 water per day, that can be turned into 106 GRN with 85 water (5 left over), when sold that brings in 24,500, with production cost of 9,680 before transport costs or a profit of 14,820.  The smelting will produce 159 AL, when sold that brings 95,400, with production costs of 80,870 before transport costs or a profit of 14,530.  In conclusion, the profit is ~3% lower with production line investment ~36% higher. This is with 0 bonuses from experts for either and with the 25% production bonus for the smelting.


[11-Jan-24 11:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	It should say 22 smelters above, that was a typo. Anyway farming is a lot less capital intensive and a lot cheaper to setup with a lot simpler production chain.


[11-Jan-24 11:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	Also GRN is not necearely the best crop in terms of profitability just one that is liquid enough, so preferable early on, when you need to sell right away as you can't afford high  amounts of capital held in stock buffers, both on the buy and sell sides.


[11-Jan-24 11:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	And last but not least the contracts the game sends often ask for farm produce, which is colected on site, so no travel and direct payment and the ability to get build mats and higher prices for the production.


[11-Jan-24 11:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	Obviously the farm plante would be better with it's 25% extra bonus, but that is another base that requires a big initial investment to set the it up and get enough production going to offset the additional fuel costs for the longer trip to market, not something a new player can do early on.


[12-Jan-24 06:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	*Not some a new player can do early on _on their own_.


[12-Jan-24 06:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	You're leaving out the help new players can/should get from other players.


[12-Jan-24 06:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	Hmm, well a few pointers...


[12-Jan-24 06:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Personally, at least 40% of my game is social.


[12-Jan-24 06:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	This game gets REALLY fun when you start organizing with players on an informal basis, i.e. no corporate structure. Beyond that, the metrics in this game are, how do you say, dependent upon observation?


[12-Jan-24 06:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	Some people may say you are a loser, others may say you are great. Its all dependent on internal metrics, but in a given span of time, the devs will delete everything when they get past a certain dev stage, so it's literally just a game.


[12-Jan-24 06:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	Initial metrics of early game profitability and ROI work wonders for later stages of development, but that's only if you're going to be beating yourself on arbitrary goals. From my experience, they're extremely fluid, and only make sense if you're doing what you actually want to do, rather than doing what someone else wants.


[12-Jan-24 06:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**CptColeslaw**:	True that, I personally enjoy the logistics management more than the financial sim part of the game, so my decisions aren't always the same as someone just trying to maximize profit.


[12-Jan-24 08:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	@PointyDexter something in your math is wonky. Using PrUN planner a full SME/EXT base makes 23,400 in profit per day


[12-Jan-24 08:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	A RIG/FRM base making GRN only makes 13,000 in profit per day


[12-Jan-24 08:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	You're losing out on 10,000 per day which way offsets any perceived shipping losses. It is much much worse to do agriculture on Deimos than other industries like metallurgy or construction


[12-Jan-24 08:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	The game’s faction contracts just ask for things you produce at the beginning. If you make GRN it will ask for GRN. Same with AL


[12-Jan-24 08:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Also make sure you’re running the FLX recipe in your SME


[12-Jan-24 09:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	I ain't gonna read all that :D


[12-Jan-24 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	@Hernandeur tl:dr - Follow the COGC, make friends, use the tools available in and out of game, do your own research, listen to your governor.


[12-Jan-24 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hernanduer**:	ah yes, yes, I agree entirely 100%


[12-Jan-24 11:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**sichas**:	so is it reasonable as a new starter to have EXT/SME on Deimos and sell AL in the hub?


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[12-Jan-24 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	@Piboy314 I found the tool and ran the numbers there, for farming it comes out with 14,154 and for smelting with 14,845. Which is very close to what I had. MY guess the difference comes from the more precise calculation on the production cycle times. Either way it does not change the point I was making.


[12-Jan-24 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	14,454 for farming


[12-Jan-24 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	Again a new player does not have the luxury to wait for best sell price and best buy price, especially on a capital intensive production line with 90K cots per day, which is the smelting.


[12-Jan-24 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	Farming on the other hand is only 9K per day so it would be easier and likely the profit margins will improve, I'm using the same assumptions for both right now. Lower initial costs and less trips to market will further widen the gap.


[12-Jan-24 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	I see why you get that number you're using 5 metalurgy expers, no new player will have access to that bonus for months, the calculations are based with 0 experts in both cases


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[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	@PointyDexter no experts, SME is twice as profitable as FRM


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Let me share the PrUN planner bases... You share your calculations as well.


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Your numbers are too different to be rounding errors. You've made a fundamental mistake in the calculations


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	No I've been playing around with it, no need


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	SME: https://prunplanner.org/shared/35b40cef-9cdc-44b7-98df-fd8ad85e8b81


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	I understand what you're comparing, but if you switch GRN with HER you get the same profitability and still only 1/3rd of the capital needed for turnover


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Moving the goal posts.


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	I was using the base recipe for AL as it's the least capital intensive


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	If you want to do HER, COLIQ and start over on Harmonia


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	FRM: https://prunplanner.org/shared/e714f540-4d8e-44d9-98a9-b7f4059ef9c1


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	No I'm not the whole point is a new player does not have 90k a day to run that


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	No, they don't. They also don't have the 500k to set up a full FRM base


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	and yes I agree having the 25% extra is better but you start on deimos


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	again cost and resources


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	What's the cost of starting over on Harmonia?


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	in my case 2 months time sinked in


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Point is: Advising people to switch to farming, especially GRN as you originally said is a bad move


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PointyDexter**:	short term it's a very good move, long term no, I digress, by the way if people wanna make money they should do STL on deimos, way more profitable but very capital ntensive


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	No, bad short term move too.


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	No matter how you slice it: Placing FRM on Deimos is not the ideal investment for any player at any stage


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Doubly so with RIG. COGM of H2O produced on Deimos is 32. Market price is 37. That means you only make 5 AIC of profit per H2O. You'd be better off buying H2O from the market and filling that space with other stuff


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Compare that to ALO. COGM is 30 but market price is 102


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MvdS**:	Anyone willing to sell ALO? if so, at what price?


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	post ALO ads to the LM at 75/u, they'll get filled. may take 3-7 days though


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	oh wait, you already did :x


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MvdS**:	Yes, I read your previous message and posted an ad because of it :-)


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	maybe i sucked it all up already lolol. idk i've been buying a lot less now that i have nascent running. odd


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MvdS**:	I'm still figuring out my logistics. I produce enougd ALO on nascent, but haven't figured out exactly what routes my ships can take to keep deimos producing


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	ANT <-> Deimos is a high traffic route. shipping the ALO Nascent -> ANT and then pawning off the rest of the trip to the ANT LM is pretty reliable.


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MvdS**:	It probably won't be a big problem, I still have a couple days left and maybe my ships can be back in time


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MvdS**:	Ah yes, I should probably do that. Haven't been able to figure out the right numbers yet for that either :-)


[12-Jan-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	250t or 500t are generally sweet spots as 250t lets starter ships ship consumables along with your shipment, and 500t fills an empty starter. 185 ALO and 370 ALO respectively


[12-Jan-24 01:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MvdS**:	Any idea what people on Nascent see as a good price to pick up shipping ads?


[12-Jan-24 01:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MvdS**:	I had posted a couple a while back, but clearly did not do it in a way people were interested in


[12-Jan-24 01:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	i've been posting 3.5k AIC 500t Nascent -> ANT ads and they've been getting picked up decently quickly. Mostly by 1 person running the trip constantly oddly enough though


[12-Jan-24 01:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MvdS**:	On Promitor I have never had any issues


[12-Jan-24 01:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MvdS**:	Ok, good to know


[12-Jan-24 01:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	Nascent is a decently long trip and the people who have bases there and ship consistently 99% have their own ALO or C to export and can't fit your stuff. That's why the prices are a bit higher


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**sichas**:	can one have second SME on same base?


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**Roh**:	Try it yourself.


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**Churaviis**:	I have 17 SME


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**virtual**:	cxm lta


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**virtual**:	anyone log now wanna buy something my warehouse all full ?


[17-Jan-24 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MvdS**:	what are/were you selling? I don't see anything on the LM


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**AntonGlukhov**:	if you don't need something in your inventory which is not used on Deimos just put that on local market with the price lower than  AS, so anyone could haul that to fill the empty cargo space and get some profit.


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**Willger**:	buying 200 ALO, ad at LM


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[20-Jan-24 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Drucker**:	Does it make sense to collect Oxygen on Deimos, or should I just buy it at the CX? Sorry if this is a complete noob question, but I am a complete noob.


[20-Jan-24 11:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Drucker**:	Clarification, I am presently extracting ALO and smelting AL.


[20-Jan-24 12:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	It could go either way for O. I think it's probably more profitable to buy it on the CX and spend that money to expand AL operations. But I'm not sure it's *that* much more profitable. And it removes one input to worry about.


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**Drucker**:	Thanks! I had the same thought, but wanted to check with the community to see if I had miscalculated.


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**DraconisDomini**:	There are not many O-rich planets in Antares space, so the difference is likely to be pretty small.  I extract my own O on Deimos for my smelters


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	SE-648c is the best O planet in ANT, probably the best O planet in the game. And because it's liquid O, you use RIGs instead of COLs to gather the O, meaning you can fit far more RIGs and pull a crazy amount of O per day.


[22-Jan-24 10:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	Main downside I see is using HSE on a planet where you'd have loads of RIGs, not to mention INS..but I suspect rhe sheer output of that base would make up for that :p


[22-Jan-24 10:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	if you can ship it :sob:


[22-Jan-24 10:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	Lmao that's probably what it comes down to hahaha


[22-Jan-24 11:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MrSmith33**:	One 2k/2k ship is enough for SE-648c


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**jvaler**:	running full time*


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**MrSmith33**:	I have spare days when I send it to other planets


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**jvaler**:	hm


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**medakinga**:	im broke


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**Kindling**:	Shop is closing! Flash sale of some left over C, ALO, AL on the LM. Hurry and get it before it's all gone!


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**sichas**:	hi, noob question, can i have EXT SME and RIG, on the same planet?


[25-Jan-24 03:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Willger**:	yes, in principle it is possible


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**jvaler**:	wouldn't advise it on deimos though


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**Willger**:	yes, the rig on deimos is not effiicient


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**Willger**:	wtb ALO, ad at LM ;)


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**Wildgardener**:	I have rigs on Deimos. May not be the best but saves bringing water across the universe


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**jvaler**:	shouldn't be needing water on deimos in the first place.....


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**Drucker**:	Question, what are you doing with H2O on Deimos?


[25-Jan-24 07:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	Shock, horror... I grow my own food and make my own drinking water here too - and have done for 608 days...


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**jvaler**:	my god


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**jvaler**:	i am indeed shocked and horrified. i thought this was a thing of legend


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**Wildgardener**:	Maybe I am a legend? My home planet is Gibson... we are all a bit mad there


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	Farming on Deimos...I think I've seen worse 😁


[25-Jan-24 09:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	Gibson explains it haha


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Everyone has a purpose. Some people's purpose is to be a warning to others.


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**Wildgardener**:	I hope you're not suggesting that having a base on Gibson is bad?


[25-Jan-24 10:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	No, not at all actually. It's just as a person from a different region, the only people I talk to on Gibson are people that start there as like metallurgists or soms wacky start :p


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**Wildgardener**:	I think I started as a constructer... so long ago now. Sold BSEs. Came here for the AL


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**Shaunb375**:	anyone actually play this?


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**zillatron**:	lol yeh plenty of people playing!


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**Shaunb375**:	how do we get more raw resources?


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**Willger**:	this is an imprecise question, do you want more of a certain type or do you want more different / different resources?


[26-Jan-24 10:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Komalarn**:	If you want to produce more of the materials you are already producing, you have to expand your production on this planet. If you want different materials, you have to setup new base on another planet or just buy it from the ANT exchange


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**PiBoy314**:	Posted shipping from ANT -> Deimos


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**KZ_Kawasaki**:	Do you say DEE-moss, DAY-moss, DEE-mose, or DAY-mose?


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**medakinga**:	ive been saying day mose


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**CptColeslaw**:	^


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**Drucker**:	In English Deimos is pronounced DY-məs; also DEE-məs; Greek: Δείμος; also DAY-moce or DEE-moce.


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**Churaviis**:	I've been saying day-ii-MOO-see


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**roganartu**:	hello friends, my group finds themselves in need of a new ALO supplier on deimos. We make BBH and BSE between here and Nike which is split weekly between all participants. Send me a dm in game or in discord (same name) if you're interested. Zero interest loans available to get the base setup


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	I love seeing the planet name pronunciation conversations


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**Hernanduer**:	def Day-Mos(t), like you are saying most but without the t


[26-Jan-24 11:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Nascent is a good planet to extract ALO from


[26-Jan-24 11:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**roganartu**:	yeah but moving the extraction to nascent turns an ALO problem into a logistics problem. When you consume 1500/d the logistics problem


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**roganartu**:	is nice to avoid (not sure why that sent, silly mobile apex)


[26-Jan-24 11:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	my constant nascent -> ANT -> deimos shipping ads on the CX LM are an example of that lmao


[26-Jan-24 11:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	It's easier to add ships than base area


[26-Jan-24 11:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	cheaper to add new players than ships


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	@Hernanduer definitely agree


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**medakinga**:	is it worth buying flux to make more aluminum


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**abed**:	last time I did the math yes it did, even at CX prices


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**Drucker**:	I did the math 3 days ago, producing AL using the FLX recipe increases SME profit per hour by ~50% compared to the AL recipe without FLX.


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**Drucker**:	My calculation for my setup assumed extracting ALO on my base, and buying C, O, and FLX at the CX.


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**FreshFromage**:	always always always use FLX where you can!!!


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**FreshFromage**:	this message proudly brought to you by the FLX producers of antares


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	I agree, though I've only had to use flux in two different production lines in my time playing this :]


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**medakinga**:	these people have got to stop eating so much


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**Hal98**:	Good question


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**Drucker**:	I can’t speak for everyone else, but weekends can be slow.


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**MapleLeaf42**:	o/ first time playing and WOW is this complicated lmao


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**MapleLeaf42**:	i wish EVE was like this


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**PiBoy314**:	Lots of depth to the gameplay without all those distracting graphics EVE has ;)


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**Tanda**:	I did PI and Industry in EVE for years before finally giving up on the game


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**Tanda**:	This is quite refreshing


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**WolfTomoe**:	bro this is not complicated


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**WolfTomoe**:	UI is made shitty intensionally


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**WolfTomoe**:	more than playing this game, I want work with dev to give ideas on UI


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**WolfTomoe**:	for common instance check UI for flight storage. why so cluttered while storing from storage to cargo. simply give a box to input how much you want to store rather than 5 boxes with 1, 1k, 5k written


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**WolfTomoe**:	you cannot even search item on commodity exchange


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**WolfTomoe**:	what kind of market doesnt have a search bar for items in market


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**CptColeslaw**:	the first thing you can do, the latter will probably come eventually. it's in alpha...


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**jvaler**:	@WolfTomoe there is an input box, select the "AMT" option when transferring


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**abed**:	too... many... clicks.... D:


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**Neuzn**:	So my first production really needs 15h?


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**jvaler**:	depends on what you're producing, but that doesn't sound unreasonable for this game


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**Neuzn**:	14 aluminium ore


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**ASpider**:	It's not a fast game. I queued 140 for my first run. 5 Days left.


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**Neuzn**:	oh thats sad, i hoped the beginning is much faster


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**jvaler**:	there are people gladly handing out free money to new Antares players to help keep them engaged through the early game. if you're interested this is the link: https://discord.gg/eDquZD7H do note that a PRO license is required to recieve contracts from other players (the only way to privately give other people items/currency)


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**Tanda**:	If you are actually interested in this game, the discord jvaler linked is invaluable. It's not just free money, it's access to cheaper goods, supply networks and like minded people


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**Hal98**:	Is that the ADI discord?


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**jvaler**:	it is


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**Hal98**:	That's a good discord


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**virtual**:	agreed with Tanda, this helps a LOT


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**australis**:	im definitely a fan of this.. ADI thing


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**Drucker**:	Is there a good discord link to join for those of us on Deimos?


[10-Feb-24 06:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SammyWest**:	yes message me on discord


[10-Feb-24 06:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SammyWest**:	frankpeterson


[10-Feb-24 06:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SammyWest**:	ill invite ya


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**PiBoy314**:	https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP


[10-Feb-24 08:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	The UFO community run discord. Once in there type !join Deimos to join the Deimos channels


[10-Feb-24 08:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	They're pretty quiet though. A lot of chatter takes place in the lounge/galactic-shipping-trading categories.


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**CrypticRazor**:	Hello


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**Tanda**:	greetings!


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**Zipatsu**:	Welcome! \o


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**terrorbryte**:	hello new here!


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**zillatron**:	hello new CEOs! o7


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**VirtualZen**:	how do i bring back to Sector map, i closed it by accident


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**Nopetapus**:	MV ZV-759


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**Awesomeclaw**:	Hi all


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Welcome


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**Harpercz**:	Hello there, our corporation is looking for new members, veteran or rookie? everybody is welcome, we can offer cheap consuables, corporation market and much more]]


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**DennisW**:	hi


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**Harpercz**:	welcome here >]


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**PiBoy314**:	@Harpercz if you're looking for more recruitment opportunities you can make a recruitment post in the UFO discord!


[13-Feb-24 08:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Just PM me here or in discord


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**sichas**:	if ship is stationary, it means it didnt land?


[14-Feb-24 12:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	If "Status" is stationary AND "Location" is a planet, then it has landed. If "Location" says (orbit) then no, it has not landed.


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**Ctrl_Z**:	ok, I'm new to this game, where do i go to buy resources??


[14-Feb-24 09:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	The CX in Antares I


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**sichas**:	i got ship on Antares I a (ZV-307a), and i cannot trade from it to CX, neither unload it to my rented warehouse.


[15-Feb-24 04:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**sichas**:	what might be the issue?


[15-Feb-24 04:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Just_Cipher**:	Is it at the station with the rented warehouse?


[15-Feb-24 05:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	If you're trying to trade with the CX, that's a separate location to A1a


[15-Feb-24 05:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**melon164**:	The CX is an orbiting space station


[15-Feb-24 05:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**sichas**:	dang. Thanks. And im out of fuel lol. I guess i need second ship to refuel it


[15-Feb-24 05:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**sichas**:	thanks.


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**Nopetapus**:	Yeah, the location code you want is ANT


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**LargeFoot**:	I have 1.4k / 1.4k free shipping heading to ANT CX if anyone needs a contract :)


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Welcome all newbros 😊


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**jvaler**:	holy


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**jvaler**:	that's a lot


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**Hal98**:	Deimos is quite popula


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**jvaler**:	for good reason :)


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**medakinga**:	common deimos W


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**Rifleman**:	Construction prefabs take SO LONG


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**Rifleman**:	4 days for 15 BSEs


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	A good bit of other things take longer. It'll feel shorter once you have more buildings work on them at the same time.


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**Rifleman**:	Thats what I was reading


[22-Feb-24 12:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Rifleman**:	I might as well get a mining operation going at the same time for profit then


[22-Feb-24 12:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Rifleman**:	cause otherwise it aint gonna be profitable for a bit.\


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**Kitachi**:	damn thats  alot of newbros


[22-Feb-24 03:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kitachi**:	hello peeps


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**Tanda**:	Just want to go ahead and plug the Antares Development Initiative. Good grant opportunities and access to cheaper resources than market.


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**Crossa**:	what game is this hha, i dont understand at all


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**Willger**:	make money, if you did, make more money :D


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**Willger**:	but seriously, the tutorial should already have explained it a bit


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**TheSeraphim**:	Mornin'


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**jvaler**:	good morning antares ^.^


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**Rifleman**:	Whats the antares development initiative


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**CptColeslaw**:	a group of players here in Antares founded by @Australis that is focused on helping new players develop in the Antares region


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**Blink309**:	tips for getting started?


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**codemonkey89**:	what to do as new player when the first thing the contracts have you do is wait for 15h timer?


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**Tanda**:	click all the things and explore


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	When you start, your biggest assets are your ships. You can't sell them, but you can use them to run contracts. Often you can make more (after fuel and repairs) running contracts than you can from your starting base.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	That changes later when you have more bases, and contracts aren't worthwhile.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Another tip is to talk to absolutely everyone. People are really friendly in this game, and dragons love to help newbros get their empires up and running.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	When I started, I got many, MANY opportunities outside the normal or expected gameplay that really helped speed up my game.


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**Rifleman**:	So do more buildings increase production speed? or is that efficiency?


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**CptColeslaw**:	speed. 2 buildings just means you'd be running 2 recipes at a time, so twice as fast, no change to efficiency


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**Rifleman**:	but you would need twice the amount of workforce


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**Rifleman**:	hmm


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	workforce is very cheap compared to the value of output. only real consideration is capital outlay for housing of the workforce.


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**PARTYROCKER**:	is there any way to make the font bigger? my eyes are struggling


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Hold CTRL + roll middle mouse button forward. This will zoom your browser page, which will increase the font size.


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**Spinydeath**:	Hey how do i get my rating up to at least p so i can sell this guy some ore in the local exchange


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**australis**:	you need a pro license


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**australis**:	after that you become P which is pending, from there completing contracts without breaching results in you getting an A


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**australis**:	as a free player you'll only be able to use the commodity exchange


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**Spinydeath**:	Thanks australis


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**Rifleman**:	Now that I have a pro license, I wish that contract was still available for 25,000 AIC :'(


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**BoJangles**:	Man, wish I had seen that contract. Would have snagged it up lol


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**medakinga**:	hows yalls  aluminium going


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**BoJangles**:	Sadly :(


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**Rubiline**:	slow...


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	The eternal question: Is there ever enough AL?


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**Hal98**:	there never is


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**jvaler**:	CXPC AL.AI1 says otherwise


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**KZ_Kawasaki**:	Someone should recycle this stuff.


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**Legate**:	I eat AL.AI1


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**jvaler**:	AL back to 600/u, balance is restored


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**FreshFromage**:	remember to use the FLX recipe for AL


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**Conboy137**:	Hey there, new player and find this concept really interesting.  Now that iv got my mines setup im not sure what else I can do apart from waiting 16 hours?


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**Conboy137**:	Just wondering what I should do in the meantime or give it time to generate resources to get started


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**KZ_Kawasaki**:	Yeah, you have to wait and come back tomorrow. It is such a slow start.  There are player groups out there that give loans to give you more of a boost tho.


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**RiseofFilth**:	remember, profit is really made by maximizing you efficiency, on whatever you are doing. Specializing and focusing your experts to match the COGC bonuses is key. For deimos, that means smelting, and as many SME as you can get. race to get 5 experts for max speed bonuses for your production cycle time


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**Exeler**:	Yup, early on the game is a slow start. Especially since you want to minimize how much fuel you're spending on transportation. Later on fuel costs become irrelevant, but early on they can be significant.


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**Exeler**:	So it makes sense to try and buy as many input supplies at once as possible, then hold off on transporting the goods back to the CX for as long as possible.


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**roganartu**:	hello friends, my group is once again recruiting for bases to join a collaborative project we run. We make bfabs on Nike using AL we smelt on Deimos. We have two openings on Deimos, and one on Nike. PRO is required, and loans are available to get the prescribed bases setup. Send me a DM in game or on discord (same username) if you're interested


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**medakinga**:	I am once again asking for your financial support


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**Rifleman**:	I'm actually surprised i havent had to liquidate yet lo


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I am still part of the project roganartu mentions (I joined in my 3rd week of this game) and it has been awesome. Always gonna need BBH & BSE.


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**Rifleman**:	whats that?


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**Rifleman**:	Cause I don't mind assisting.


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**Septin**:	Message roganartu on the PRUN official discord for more details its a pwrt of a cooperative project where you provide a base and materials and as a collective group we make bbh and bse and split it between eveetone once a week. Loans provided in many cases


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**jvaler**:	"loans" in heavy quotes, you kinda just pay it back whenever you feel like it


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**TheTacBac**:	OOG recruiting?


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**Hernanduer**:	we're always open to new members in ANT space, especially if they're active and want to be social. We do require new members to have a paid membership, as most social features are useless without access to contracts


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**Hernanduer**:	membership to the game, to be clear. Joining OOG and staying is free


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**EvoV**:	Just a heads up, dropped down buildings using 100x Eng, 270x Tech, 280x Settlers   (170 Tech, 100 Engineers still open)


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Thanks for letting me know, Evov.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	All POPs are available except for ENG. Immigration + Consumables will cover ENG in next 2 POPR.


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**Ebam**:	hello here, i'm an old/new player, i restart a company as mettalurgist on deimos, and i looking for a corporation to share a good time


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**korskjin**:	how can i buy lacked resources?


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**Willger**:	at the CX ... you have to get your ship to a CX and load the items in your cargo (or if you buy while your ship is there the items will be loaded to the ship


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**Willger**:	other way is to buy at local market, but herefor you must have a pro license or basic


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**Rifleman**:	2 more BSE's and 4 more trusses to go for that upgrade


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**Rifleman**:	woo


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**Rifleman**:	should have it done today Boss


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**medakinga**:	wow i should have been doing contracts lmao


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**Inc.**:	Does the Basic Rations ticker have any relation to the contents of said rations? The unions are fussing.


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**Churaviis**:	Just change the labels to say "DELUXE", "PREMIUM" or "MADE WITH ORGANIC INGREDIENTS"


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**Inc.**:	MADE WITH ORGANIC RAT INGREDIENTS - yeah that works!


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**Inc.**:	99% - approved!


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**Inc.**:	I mean if the ticker for steel is what it is, I would expect 99% steel, at least


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**Lothiam**:	Hello all, new player here, figuring things out


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**Talryk**:	Welcome to the galaxy, Lothiam! Don't hesitate to ask questions, you'll find fellow newbies like myself as well as established veterans of the markets


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**Lothiam**:	Thanks, definitely a learning curve in this one


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**N33bs**:	anyone have a corporation for a lowley carbon farmer to join?


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**EyangKodok**:	you need to have PRO/BASIC LIC to properly cooperate with other player in Corp, because of  access to Private Custom Contract and access to Local Market, you can think of it as "purcasing" the ProUn game


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**FreshFromage**:	ATTENTION ANTARES SHIPPERS: 20 shipping ads are up on the ANT LM! 8000 AIC each, only 450t space required for each ad! 2 weeks only!


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**CoolAir**:	OK, got one


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**Coolfeather2**:	on its way 👍


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**Pggamer**:	hello, new here, theirs a way to track base expenses right?


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**Coolfeather2**:	I've started using prunplanner and PMMG Extended


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**Coolfeather2**:	https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/

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Community Resources :: Prosperous Universe Handbook
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**medakinga**:	if i build 6 smelters will i get an extra queue slot?


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**jvaler**:	you get extra queue slots from HQ upgrades


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**medakinga**:	oh thanks i didnt even know i could upgrade it


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**Coolfeather2**:	AD posted for BSE at Market Maker cost, I was short


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**petsterz**:	hallo zusammen


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**Coolfeather2**:	hello


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**Neth_Havoc**:	hallo


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**petsterz**:	kann hier jemand deutsch?


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**CoolAir**:	Klar


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**petsterz**:	gibt es einen deutschen discord kanal?


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**petsterz**:	wo bekomme ich pioniere oder siedler her?


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**norto22**:	Does anyone bring LST to Deimos regularly that would be open to supplying me with it too?


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**Talryk**:	LST is pretty heavy; it's usually better to use where you produce, rather than haul it around.


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**Churaviis**:	There is a lot more shipping demand going to Nike than coming back just rent a warehouse there, buy it on the LM and have it shipped back


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**LargeFoot**:	Posted an MCG buy ad; above market ask because I cannot count :) fulfillment appreciated


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**jvaler**:	fufilled :)


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**LargeFoot**:	Thanks :)


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**Pantherus**:	Fang erstmal mit Pionieren an. Bau z.B. eine Anlage zum Abbau von Ressourcen. Achtung achte auf die verfügbaren. Die Pioniere werden selbständig hinzugefügt (wenn vorhanden)


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**petsterz**:	alles klar danke


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**Willger**:	This is an international Chanel, pls use english. Wenn Ihr deutsch schreiben wollt benutzt bitte private Chanel.


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**petsterz**:	okay


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**Churaviis**:	You're in Antares space, speak Martian


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**virtual**:	^\^@]]}!!!!


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**PiBoy314**:	Devs are German, get money from the German government, and APEX can be in German. If anything we should be speaking german here!


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**FreshFromage**:	at this point, english is pretty much the lingua franca of the world


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**Churaviis**:	It undermines your point that you didn't say it all in English


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**Coolfeather2**:	People should be allowed to speak German


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**jvaler**:	that's a bold stance


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	As governor, I decree that all languages are permissible on this Channel.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	However, if you wish to be understood by the most players, you will be best served communicating in English. However, you do you Slowbro.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Bungaza iParis Enkulu!


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**Coolfeather2**:	thank you gov'nor


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**ConnorTheClown**:	Is there a channel for Tips or help?


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**I_am_Tex**:	There is a help channel.  Open a new buffer and enter COMC and it should get you there.


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**IsaacDragonHeart**:	how do I snap production menu to main screen when i click and drag nothing happens


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**IsaacDragonHeart**:	watching tutorial doesn't really help


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**LargeFoot**:	In your leftmost sidebar, there is a tab called PROD


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**LargeFoot**:	click this to gain the name of you production line you want to pin to the main screen


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**LargeFoot**:	You cannot drag and drop to pin, you must click the cog corner in a window in the top right of it where you can enter PROD "insert line name here"


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**PiBoy314**:	You can drag and drop a buffer into an empty tile


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**LargeFoot**:	@PiBoy314 ...Oh...


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**LargeFoot**:	almost 600 days and i didn't know you can drag and drop a tile xD


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**LargeFoot**:	thanks for the knowledge


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**evayoo**:	test


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**NomadDawn**:	Hey I'm a Metallurgist. Any Tips on what I should do?


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**Talryk**:	My first suggestion (not that I'm an expert) would be to decide where you want to expand to; having a metallurgist start doesn't mean you're pigeonholed into that industry, but it's a decent starting point. You'll have to start considering from where you'll source your input materials, and how much it'll cost you


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**medakinga**:	cant go wrong with making tons of aluminium


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**Tanda**:	actually the market even recently


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**Tanda**:	Actually the market for AL crashed pretty hard not even a month back. Other CX's flew out here to buy us out, and stablized the market due to their demand


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**Nopetapus**:	It's also relatively cheap to do prefabs here. Not perfectly efficient, but the startup cost is lower than Nike.


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**medakinga**:	aluminium


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I think the only planet I don't follow the COGC for, are for EXTs that feed the main production buildings that do. Even with higher outlay costs, it's always better to follow the COGC bonus.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Also, depending on your perspective, the price of AL coming down to 500/u is not a "crash"; it's a "correction back to normal". At least, it is for me.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	What normally happens is people will either pivot to other SME products, or expand to do vertical integration (fabs being most common).


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**FreshFromage**:	13 shipping contracts up on ANT LM


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**FreshFromage**:	ANT -> deimos


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**FreshFromage**:	8k AIC each


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**AIShay**:	whats up


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**LargeFoot**:	Nothing much currently


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**Hal98**:	just smelting away


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**existence**:	in metallurgy we trust


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**Tanda**:	smelting like MAAD


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[08-Apr-24 11:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Titaneste**:	hello. i'm new. if i cancel a production order (like 10 water at 50%) will i receive the 5 water?


[08-Apr-24 11:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Titaneste**:	if i dont cancel it, Do i get the water over time (like 1 every 10%), or all at once when the full order is finished?


[08-Apr-24 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Talryk**:	Unsure about what happens if you cancel halfway through, but I do know that you will only receive the product at the end of its production cycle


[08-Apr-24 11:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Titaneste**:	Ah damn; i started a 30 days order, but i need the resource before


[08-Apr-24 11:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Titaneste**:	thanks for the info


[08-Apr-24 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Talryk**:	Yup, you'll have to queue them up in smaller batches to receive product over time


[08-Apr-24 11:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**xflqr_**:	huh no


[08-Apr-24 11:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**xflqr_**:	just click on cancel and it'll tell you what you get back


[08-Apr-24 11:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**xflqr_**:	you should indeed get 50% of the end product if you cancel at 50% in


[08-Apr-24 11:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**xflqr_**:	you won't get everything back 100%, there's still a penalty to cancelling, but it shouldn't be that bad


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**Tulganians**:	are well all live in deimos then


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**Zipatsu**:	Welcome \o


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**ShazamPowers**:	this game seems so incredibly niche lol


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**existence**:	it is indeed


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**Bezborg**:	Hey yall, new to the game... for AL production, seems better to go buy cqrbon from the exchange, rather than grow trees on Deimos>


[14-Apr-24 11:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Bezborg**:	True?


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**Tanda**:	absolutely true. At some point you might want to check out Nascent, but it's best to just get your carbon from the CX for now


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**Bezborg**:	Thank you


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**sawer200**:	can anyone sell me a bit of water on ZV-759c?


[21-Apr-24 05:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MK3**:	How much water do you need?


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**CoolAir**:	I could sell water as well. As MK3 said how much do you need?


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**Vannak201**:	So i just started the game and i have to wait 15 hours for it to produce an aluminum?


[22-Apr-24 10:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	Yup! You should send one of your ships off to the local commodity exchange to buy some luxury consumables to help speed that up a little bit (PWO and COF, maybe down to 12 hours).


[22-Apr-24 10:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**PiBoy314**:	This game is played in the long term. Things keep running in the background when you’re logged off. Most people start by playing 5-10 minutes per day (and putting in anywhere between zero to many hours planning besides that)


[22-Apr-24 11:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Vannak201**:	thanks piboy. Love the UI of the game but the amount of time waiting on resource production is too much for me


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Running 2x ENG Immigrations, which will cover the deficit.


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**AntiSyntax**:	Anyone have 6 BDE locally? I did my math wrong and wish to save a trip to ANT if possible.


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[10-May-24 06:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AntiSyntax**:	nvm


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**LargeFoot**:	I do have 6 bde local if still needed


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**AntiSyntax**:	i'm good, thank  you though


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**AntiSyntax**:	anyone have like 5 COF for sale at Deimos locally?


[11-May-24 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**zillatron**:	@antisyntax I have some extra, send me a cont :)


[11-May-24 08:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AntiSyntax**:	how much?


[11-May-24 08:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AntiSyntax**:	per uit?


[11-May-24 08:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AntiSyntax**:	unit*


[11-May-24 08:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**zillatron**:	Let’s say 1/u, deal? Deal.


[11-May-24 08:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AntiSyntax**:	hey that works for me :)


[11-May-24 08:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**zillatron**:	😁👍🏼


[11-May-24 08:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AntiSyntax**:	sent


[11-May-24 08:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AntiSyntax**:	sweet! now my workers will be well caffeinated


[11-May-24 08:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AntiSyntax**:	for a day


[11-May-24 08:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AntiSyntax**:	but thats long enough to get me to ANT and back lol


[11-May-24 08:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**zillatron**:	Hehe gotta keep the workers awake! :)


[11-May-24 08:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**AntiSyntax**:	Exactly!


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**LargeFoot**:	Brother just got scammed


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**CrypticApex**:	Hello i am a bit confused. How do i build my pioneer habitations?


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	On a new BFR (bottom left of screen), type BS ZV-759c.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Click the "Construct" button at the top. PIO habs are the first entry.


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**yngwette**:	where has all the local O.AI1 gone?


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**Tanda**:	I huffed it all


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**Galaxyz1**:	Hello!


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**Tanda**:	Greetings!


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**Galaxyz1**:	Whats everyone trading these days and to which systems?


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**Nopetapus**:	Well, the advantage of the commodities exchange on Antares is that we don't really have to know the trade routes.


[14-May-24 10:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Nopetapus**:	The other nearby population centers are a Harmonia, Hephaestus, and Phobos. I'm still pretty new, so I don't have a good grasp of the further afield trading activity.


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**RiseofFilth**:	I think you’ll find that most movement is people moving their own products, and a vertical integration type setup. There isn’t too much public contract trading planet to planet, rather than planet to CX


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**AntiSyntax**:	@xflqr_ congrats on 500 days


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**xflqr_**:	oh, I hadn't even noticed haha


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**WebLit**:	how do i see how much money i have


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**WebLit**:	wait nvm i got it


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**FreshFromage**:	12 shipping ads up on antares station LM


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**LargeFoot**:	Accepted a few @FreshFromage


[18-May-24 11:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	Whats a good planet to make carbon (just burn)? The CX prices are extortionate recently


[18-May-24 11:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	Nascent is a good INC planet


[18-May-24 11:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	otherwise maybe look at the SE-110 system


[19-May-24 01:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**CovfefeFeatherbottom**:	I think the easiest and cheapest is right here from scratch.  That's what I do and it's enough for me.   Or, if you need a lot, harmonia I believe is the closest farm planet


[19-May-24 04:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Koobey**:	as a metallurgist start its quite hard to get off the ground with those carbon prices at Antares


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**LargeFoot**:	true @Koobey


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**LargeFoot**:	I think I will set up a dedicated colony because i need 120 carbon per day


[19-May-24 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	(。_。)


[19-May-24 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Okawari**:	Kinda interested in haling some over to AI1, but i don't have the capital yet to fill an entire ship with C


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**UnoLUL**:	whjats up guys


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**UnoLUL**:	i have zero clue how to play this game


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**UnoLUL**:	how do i liquidate my company


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**Galaxyz1**:	lol


[21-May-24 05:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**zillatron**:	a story in 4 parts lmao


[21-May-24 07:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	you can liquidate your company and restart using the command COLIQ in a fresh buffer


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**UnoLUL**:	that was before i learnt alot lol and i picked the wrong planet


[21-May-24 08:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	Deimos is a good choice


[21-May-24 08:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	idk about Phobos though...


[21-May-24 08:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Deimos is a great choice, especially given the high price of AL


[21-May-24 09:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DvorakDwarf**:	High price of AL ?


[21-May-24 09:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DvorakDwarf**:	Well maybe rn because C spiked. I'd say Metallurgy in general isn't great. High weight and low profits compared to nearly everything else


[21-May-24 09:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Growing crops to burn into carbon is a good start too


[21-May-24 09:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**UnoLUL**:	so my entire profession choice was bad now


[21-May-24 09:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**UnoLUL**:	there are loans? lol


[21-May-24 09:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	It's an economy simulator, of course there are loans


[21-May-24 09:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**UnoLUL**:	haha ok


[21-May-24 09:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**UnoLUL**:	i gotta somehow get 26k to get another extractor and my metals dont sell for much


[21-May-24 09:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DvorakDwarf**:	Grants and loans can help a lot. People in the ADI discord might offer a grant


[21-May-24 09:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DvorakDwarf**:	Though it would mean having at least a BASIC license, which means 8$


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**UnoLUL**:	i have a pro LIC


[21-May-24 11:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DvorakDwarf**:	The main person giving out the grants recently quit but others still offer them


[21-May-24 11:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DvorakDwarf**:	https://discord.gg/3nXeTa9fPy


[21-May-24 11:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**DvorakDwarf**:	Should be enough to nearly finish the Deimos base


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**United_Dudes**:	hi guys


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**Tanda**:	Hello!


[22-May-24 01:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Zipatsu**:	Heya \o


[22-May-24 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	o7


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[22-May-24 08:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	welcome to Deimos, Deimos


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[22-May-24 10:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobbyboy095**:	Word of advice; don't queue big orders unless you're gonna be away for awhile, at least when you're brand new...Learned that the hard way


[22-May-24 10:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobbyboy095**:	I have two production lines, and one is being taken up by an order that'll be finished in 8 days...


[22-May-24 10:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobbyboy095**:	So it's not like I can't do anything, but it's still pretty rough


[22-May-24 10:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	Thanks Tanda, I feel at right at home.


[22-May-24 10:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	Omg @Deimos!


[22-May-24 10:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	GL Bobby, hope ya get it worked out. Hiya @MysteriousWalrus


[22-May-24 10:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	Funny username, very patriotic, I like it. :}


[22-May-24 10:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	I'm your friendly neighborhood planet.


[22-May-24 10:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	😭 Full of aluminum


[22-May-24 10:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	At least a 389th of it or so.


[22-May-24 10:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	Don't forget hot air.


[22-May-24 10:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	Can't forget that ;]


[23-May-24 05:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Domicius**:	@Bobbyboy095 If you hit cancel on a production order, you'll see what you get in terms of partial product/raw materials


[23-May-24 05:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Domicius**:	If Deimos builds a base on another planet, would that be considered an invasion?


[23-May-24 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**EnragedTribble**:	^ I support this, go forth and conquer in our name


[23-May-24 10:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	Deimos either named themselves after the frontier of all aluminium production in PU or a pathetic rock orbiting mars


[23-May-24 10:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	I hope its the former, thats more epic


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**Deimos**:	When my foundation is set, I shall move forth into the dark and bring order to those who have none.


[23-May-24 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	Also, been my name for a many year. Named for the god more so than the moon. Tho I am eyeing Phobos...


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**ThetaSigma**:	nice


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[24-May-24 10:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Salvart**:	Hey guys I was wandering, how much Oxygen is produced by a Collector per order here on Deimos ?


[24-May-24 10:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Salvart**:	wondering*


[24-May-24 10:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**DraconisDomini**:	5 units


[24-May-24 10:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Salvart**:	Okay Thanks !


[24-May-24 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**medakinga**:	do yall make your own oxygen?


[24-May-24 03:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	I recently made a COL for O here. Not positive it was a good idea, but it was an idea. Currently over producing for my current setup, but that's room for expansion and profits.


[24-May-24 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	Also, I'm pretty new here.


[24-May-24 03:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FreshFromage**:	have you worked out how much it is costing you to produce 1 O yourself vs buying 1 O on the cx?


[24-May-24 03:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FreshFromage**:	it may be better to use your available area for something more economical


[24-May-24 03:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	I was running thing through PrunPlanner with FIO setup. Things looked like it's a profit in the O department.


[24-May-24 03:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FreshFromage**:	it's probably cheaper to produce your own O, but consider the opportunity cost


[24-May-24 03:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	Overall, it seems like I'm pushing my company into profits. Now I just need to determine if building more EXT and SME is better than going for the upper metallergy based builldings.


[24-May-24 03:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	I'm currently looking into the viablility of a FS and the supply costs for the products.


[24-May-24 03:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FreshFromage**:	have a look at a GF too


[24-May-24 03:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FreshFromage**:	im running 25 of them on this planet


[24-May-24 03:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	Yea, that was another I thought about, but BRO looked tasty.


[24-May-24 03:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	Big problem was the procurment of CU or more so CUO.


[24-May-24 03:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	I'm still really early here tho. barely over a week tbh. My equity is looking great tho :D


[24-May-24 03:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FreshFromage**:	when considering what to produce, one of the most important things to look at is liquidity


[24-May-24 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FreshFromage**:	is anyone actually buying any of what you're looking to produce?


[24-May-24 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FreshFromage**:	looking at BRO, not a single unit has been bought in the last 30 days


[24-May-24 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FreshFromage**:	at least not on the cx, you might be able to find someone who will buy regularly off you


[24-May-24 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FreshFromage**:	I sell all of my GL to a private buyer who takes my entire production


[24-May-24 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	Been pooring over the CX for oppourtunities. Haven't set anything in stone yet. Just a basic 1 EXT, 2 SME, and 1 COL atm. Other idea was just to expand into more EXT and SME.


[24-May-24 03:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	I haven't made trade partners yet. Also looking to join a corp too. Just window shopping a lot of stuff atm.


[24-May-24 03:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**FreshFromage**:	window shopping and planning what you'll produce is one of the most interesting parts of the game imo


[24-May-24 03:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	Agreed.


[24-May-24 03:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	Been having a blast here. Was nice y'all even named this plant after me ;)


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**existence**:	anyone willing to sell me 20 BPT at ANT? been trying to buy some for weeks and its the last thing I need to build a ship.


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**Tanda**:	if anyone wants to make a bit over CX without shipping, I'm  buying ALO on the LM for 100/unit


[25-May-24 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Galaxyz1**:	very nice, ty


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Thank you to everyone who contributed to the COGC & Infrastructure this week. It is highly appreciated 🙂


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**FreshFromage**:	no problem bro


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**Crustysock**:	Does anyone locally have a need for PE?


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**frogee**:	Im new, how was I able to found a base on this planet if there are no plots available


[29-May-24 07:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hal98**:	bc you are new you were able to


[29-May-24 07:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**frogee**:	gotcha


[29-May-24 08:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	It's ghost plot, since this was your starter planet a spot is made for you. That's the only ghost plot you can get in this iteration. Unless/until you liquidate afaik.


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**frogee**:	makes sense


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**SoggiestMeatball**:	i have officially built my second smelter


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**SoggiestMeatball**:	someone be proud of me


[30-May-24 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Okawari**:	Congratulations! I am proud of you! :)


[30-May-24 07:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Zipatsu**:	Congrats! \o


[30-May-24 07:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Ravick**:	Congrats!


[30-May-24 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	Gratz! :D


[30-May-24 07:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Churaviis**:	Good job, son


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**Tanda**:	congrats, @SoggiestMeatball !


[30-May-24 08:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	@soggiestmeatball Just a heads up, make sure you join the community discord. There are established players that give out loans and advice to newbros!


[30-May-24 08:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	(also, a few 100k of free cash)


[30-May-24 08:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SoggiestMeatball**:	thank you all! and good shout @RiseofFilth


[30-May-24 10:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hal98**:	lol who bought all the flux?


[30-May-24 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	Wasn't me, but they bought near 35k it looks like. oof.


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**Hal98**:	I think it was closer to 6.6 million at the biggest spike


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**FreshFromage**:	good day for us flux producers


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**Deimos**:	True.


[31-May-24 03:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**kurzninja**:	Thank you Nightscape!


[31-May-24 03:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**kurzninja**:	or Bobbyboy095 lol


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**LargeFoot**:	What's up with AL prices? (AL.AI1)


[31-May-24 08:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	what's up is FLX.AI1  C.AI1  and ALO.AI1


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**FreshFromage**:	with FLX, some guy bought out all the supply so all us FLX producers got to raise prices


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**LargeFoot**:	Ah I see - the carbon was so expensive I had to start making my own :(


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**Crustysock**:	PE nets me enough that I don't even thing 736 per C is that high


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**Crustysock**:	I know it would be for other crafts though


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**FreshFromage**:	any shipbuilders in the antares region?


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**FreshFromage**:	looking to support local businesses rather than those moria tycoons


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**zillatron**:	@riseoffilth got you covered


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**RiseofFilth**:	Yessir


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**RiseofFilth**:	DM me in discord


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**Okawari**:	Does anyone have 2x BDE on planet? I messed up and brought too few


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**Nopetapus**:	I do. Want to post an ad?


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**Okawari**:	Ad is up


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**Okawari**:	I just set the price to 3k each, hope that is enough


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**Deimos**:	I had some. GL :D


[05-Jun-24 05:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Okawari**:	Thanks Deimos!


[05-Jun-24 05:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Deimos**:	o7


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**AntiSyntax**:	damn the LM is dead


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**Inst1nct**:	Whatchu need bby


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**AntiSyntax**:	nothing atm i just noticed its dead :P


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**Deimos**:	*Pokes dead LM*


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**Hal98**:	i used to post, but then my ads wouldn't get fulfilled so i adapted


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**AntiSyntax**:	fair enough


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**Crustysock**:	I'd use the LM more if I knew what people needed


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**RiseofFilth**:	C, O, ALO, FEO,.... TIO, SIO


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**RiseofFilth**:	FLX


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**RiseofFilth**:	RAT


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**RiseofFilth**:	DW


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**RiseofFilth**:	what dont people need :D


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**AntiSyntax**:	beans


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**Meanslicer**:	BEANS!?


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**FreshFromage**:	33 shipping contracts up on the ANT LM, get them while you can!


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**Yinxx**:	If you're interested in joining our team, we currently have an opening available. Our project team consists of 12 members, and you'll receive a share of the pay every weekend. Feel free to reach out to me if you're interested


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**Tanda**:	what does your team do?


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**CptColeslaw**:	BBH and BSE! we're looking for a construction base on Nike I think. loans available and the payout is good and super helpful for expanding ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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**Crustysock**:	I'm going to start putting all my ALO on the LM for 84/each


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**Tanda**:	I will definitely buy it, but you're cheating yourself if you put it up for less than ANT buy orders


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**Deimos**:	^


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**Churaviis**:	You are saving on shipping costs and getting a faster ROI. That's worth something


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**Crustysock**:	I don't mind the minor loss.  It's not a material I use but a block of 5 extractors filled out the area on the base better than more BMP's


[12-Jun-24 11:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Crustysock**:	84/ALO is also double the Market Maker price and still nets me profit after factoring luxuries


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**jvaler**:	does anyone have a single SSC i can buy here? will pay extra


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**EyangKodok**:	sure i do


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**jvaler**:	great, posted ad


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**EyangKodok**:	got it!


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**jvaler**:	tysm!


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**EyangKodok**:	:D


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**Yinxx**:	The DNPC project currently has 14 people playing their part. It aims to integrate multiple single-expert specialist bases across Deimos and Nike, focusing on BSE and BBH at the end of the production chain. This approach ensures a consistent supply of BSE and BBH regardless of market fluctuations. It leverages the fifth expert to maximize profitability and efficiency by collaborative and efficient workflow.


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**Yinxx**:	We are looking for Two Types of personnel on this planet, Deimos.


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**Yinxx**:	The first group of personnel is extraction bases. This person will extract 395/d AOL and 115/d O. Metallurgists request these resources.


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**Yinxx**:	The second group of personnel consists of metallurgists. They will take AOL, O, and C from our designated suppliers to produce 214/d AL. These individuals will then ship the AL to Deimos, with the shipping costs included in the weekly split.


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**kurzninja**:	I have one extractor and smelter making ALO and AL, but nowhere near the quantities you're asking. I'm barely staying afloat as it is.


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**Hal98**:	make sure you use FLX to make AL


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**kurzninja**:	i just ran out and i'm waiting for an order to be filled


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**boogster**:	why use flx to make al?


[17-Jun-24 11:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**boogster**:	oh because it makes an extra unit gotcha


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**FreshFromage**:	also FLX is really really cheap right now (possibly related to me flooding the market idk) so using FLX is very economical too


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**boogster**:	gotcha


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**boogster**:	so how exactly does one acquire more pioneers?


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**EyangKodok**:	you're talking about pioneer in your company or as a gov?


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**FreshFromage**:	just build some habitation 1s for them and give them jobs, they will come


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**Qalten**:	o/


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**kurzninja**:	I need you to bring that Flux price down just a little bit more lolol


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**Shrewdsun1**:	hello back into the game after 5months off


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**Shrewdsun1**:	how are things?


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**Zipatsu**:	Welcome back! \o


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**Ravick**:	Welcome back!


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**Deimos**:	Welcome back! o7


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**Shrewdsun1**:	Hello, anyone has some Alo overtstock to sell? Im about to run out and i wont be able to refill for a day


[21-Jun-24 07:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Shrewdsun1**:	I would need about 200 ideally


[21-Jun-24 07:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**EyangKodok**:	i should let you know that while your ship is being upgrade it cant be used for 24h


[21-Jun-24 07:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**EyangKodok**:	and sure i can sell you those ALO


[21-Jun-24 08:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Shrewdsun1**:	Thanks for the heads up


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**Shrewdsun1**:	ill post a lm add for the alo


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**frogee**:	whats the happs deimos


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**Tanda**:	what's the happy haps


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	all haps are happy


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**jcheung9941**:	so. anything interesting going on?


[24-Jun-24 06:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	more importantly, any advice for a FNG?


[24-Jun-24 06:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	A Flying Neutron Generator?


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**LargeFoot**:	I suggest you try and keep it on the ground to keep it as a GNG


[24-Jun-24 07:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Shrewdsun1**:	Well AL prices are starting to land back down


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**Shrewdsun1**:	sad to see those profits go


[24-Jun-24 07:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	oh. AL prices are going down? uhhh... well. maybe i shouldn't spec so hard into al refining xD


[24-Jun-24 07:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	FNG = F*ing New Guy


[24-Jun-24 07:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	AL refining is consistently profitable


[24-Jun-24 07:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	Drop a DM or a message here if you need any further help :)


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**LargeFoot**:	One tip is to keep a little surplus money in case you get in a pinch


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**LargeFoot**:	also don't spend every single penny you have on buying only rations...


[24-Jun-24 08:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	i don't have pro, so i can't take loans :(


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**jcheung9941**:	i plan on keeping a 4k reserve fund for now


[24-Jun-24 08:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	....though i'm kicking myself because i bought a bunch of water and rations and then the noob quests gave me a boatload of both


[24-Jun-24 08:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	you also have access to ADI out here in Antares space. I see you on the UFO Server. Give us a lookup, we do grants (once you've decided if you want to pay for the game)


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**jcheung9941**:	yeah, i was looking at ADI


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**jcheung9941**:	figure i'll give it a month and if i'm still here i'll spend for a month


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**Tanda**:	that's fair. I took about 2 weeks myself


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**Shrewdsun1**:	What sort if grants?


[24-Jun-24 08:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Shrewdsun1**:	that might be something of interest for me


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**jcheung9941**:	might be convinced sooner if i find a group of people to talk to regularly


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**Shrewdsun1**:	Thats the way to play, talk to people


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**jcheung9941**:	i saw something on discord for... grant of up to 750k or something


[24-Jun-24 08:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	no repayment


[24-Jun-24 08:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	need basic or pro license


[24-Jun-24 08:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Shrewdsun1**:	Damn, ill have a look


[24-Jun-24 08:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	...though there is that little bit that says people without are allowed too, so maybe i'll join just for community


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**jcheung9941**:	https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202261406431314030/1202261406431314030


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**Shrewdsun1**:	Ill take a look


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**Tanda**:	I'll see both of you on discord, then!


[24-Jun-24 08:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	in the same forum, there's another guy offering 100k 0% loan, 10k repayment a week... so combine both and you can start off with 850k


[24-Jun-24 08:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Shrewdsun1**:	Well, iv got about 3.5M in loan in the form of pre-payed AL but more money is alwats good


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**jcheung9941**:	oh. huh. uh


[24-Jun-24 08:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	went to go DM astra, and we share no servers. is there another PoC?


[24-Jun-24 08:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	for ADI i mean


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**Shrewdsun1**:	but iv got plans that would need 3M$


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**Shrewdsun1**:	im waiting to have fleshed out my AL production before going to raise some more money


[24-Jun-24 08:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	plans that need 3m huh. i'll just look at my plans to develop two bases and cry a bit because 3m would finish both of them if i just bought straight from the market


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**Tanda**:	the new POC for ADI is jvaler. You're all welcome to just join the server


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**Tanda**:	https://discord.gg/3nXeTa9fPy


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**mela_mecantile**:	hello


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**mela_mecantile**:	:)


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**Shrewdsun1**:	Hello hello


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**mela_mecantile**:	is this game any good?


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**mela_mecantile**:	"game"


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**Shrewdsun1**:	depends on you


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**Shrewdsun1**:	its either going to be of no interest or your favorite game


[25-Jun-24 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Shrewdsun1**:	Are you into optimisation, strategy and spreadsheets?


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**mela_mecantile**:	+/-


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**mela_mecantile**:	i mean it's 70 a Year


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**mela_mecantile**:	is the pro version necessary ?


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**mela_mecantile**:	70€


[25-Jun-24 07:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mela_mecantile**:	:)


[25-Jun-24 07:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Shrewdsun1**:	You should be able to know if the game is for you with the free version


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**Shrewdsun1**:	if it is, then 70 is worth it


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**mela_mecantile**:	ok thx :)


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**Shrewdsun1**:	if not then that’s fine, it’s a niche game


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**Shrewdsun1**:	Do ask questions, it’s can be a tough learning experience


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**mela_mecantile**:	how do i buy stuff


[25-Jun-24 07:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mela_mecantile**:	search*


[25-Jun-24 07:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mela_mecantile**:	example i'm missing a component for something


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**mela_mecantile**:	how do i find it


[25-Jun-24 07:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**mela_mecantile**:	in the market


[25-Jun-24 07:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Shrewdsun1**:	gice the Help channel a try


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**Shrewdsun1**:	also, i recommend the youtube tutorial series


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**EyangKodok**:	Hi!


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**Deimos**:	Hi :D


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**PoupSoop**:	supp


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**Tanda**:	greetings to all new joiners


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**Tanda**:	Papa Deimos will now take you under his wing


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**nmc**:	hi


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**shakk**:	hello


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**jcheung9941**:	greetings


[27-Jun-24 04:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Bobemor**:	Hi all, I just want to apologise. I accidentally missed recording 1 week of tax revenue. Specifically the 03/06 payment. I assume it was around 3,000 AIC. But I have no way of knowing :(


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**Bobemor**:	(Unless anyone knows how to look at older financial statements?)


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**Hernanduer**:	Mar 6th or June 3rd?


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**Hernanduer**:	:)


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**FreshFromage**:	everyone here is german so 3rd june


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**Hernanduer**:	Solten Sie dann nicht Deutsch sprechen?


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**Hernanduer**:	ah but no, es ist Englisch :P


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**Hal98**:	ich bin ein frau :)


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Oh look, Bob is back ❤️


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**jcheung9941**:	what does missing the recording of tax revenue do?


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**FreshFromage**:	you get charged with tax evasion


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**jcheung9941**:	well


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**jcheung9941**:	that's no fun


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**FreshFromage**:	it's fun if you play hide and seek with the authorities


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**jcheung9941**:	too much stress


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**Archiel**:	Wow that's a crazy long tail, I wonder how that even happens


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**jcheung9941**:	tail? where?


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**Archiel**:	long tail for old tax revenue coming in.


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**Archiel**:	I imagine it's people who had their production queues stopped for months then restarted them


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**Archiel**:	Taxes are paid to whoever the tax entity was when the job was queued


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**jcheung9941**:	uh..... cogc switching to mfg?!


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**Churaviis**:	That depends on whether people vote or not


[28-Jun-24 09:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	Vote just started, very unlikely.


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**jcheung9941**:	ah. sorry, i didn't know how this works


[28-Jun-24 10:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MysteriousWalrus**:	No worries, just ask questions whenever you don't understand anything :]


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**jcheung9941**:	i don't think either of us wants *that*


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**jcheung9941**:	my fingers will start bleeding, and you'll start tuning me out


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**Bobemor**:	Yeah I'm kind of shocked the tax tail is this long


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**Bobemor**:	seems absurd


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**Bobemor**:	but i'm committed to recording it


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**Bobemor**:	but i missed 1 week :(((((


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**Bobemor**:	I'm half expecting the update to stop it but will be interesting


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**QuietKnight_**:	hi, just started, how do i make my fleet do things?


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**evayoo**:	what do you mean about your fleet do things? if you just started theres not really mcuh for your fleet to do at this stage until you have things worth hauling / supplies


[29-Jun-24 03:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**evayoo**:	people don't always check in-game chat too often most players use discord like most things nowadays. If you have questions i'd encourage you to check discord either official or JcMJy2vF which is an antares based community!


[29-Jun-24 03:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**boogster**:	QuietKnight there's also a help channel specifically for getting help. And everyone in it is super nice and knowlegable.


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**boogster**:	but as far as making you're fleet do things you can go to your travel scrn and order your ships around and stuff


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**Shrewdsun1**:	Sounding for interest. If I setup distribution of C/O/Flux on Deimos, anyone here would be interested in getting their supply delivered? Would be delivered at a slight markup from market but only to be paid 7 days latwr


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**boogster**:	Shrewd i would but i don't have the capital to make an aggreement lol


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**Tanda**:	the LM here is perfect for exactly those use cases. Most people would probably pay 10-15% more if they didn't have to haul themselves


[29-Jun-24 06:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	I certainly don't import my ALO


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**QuietKnight_**:	thanks everyone :)


[29-Jun-24 08:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**boogster**:	np and as always enjoy!!!


[29-Jun-24 08:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**boogster**:	o7


[29-Jun-24 09:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Shrewdsun1**:	Thanks Tanda, I was asking because ideally I’m looking to setup recurring supply deals. It was the main things I did last time I played and would like to setup a network of the sort in Ant. The LM is good for one offs but less for recurring deals


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**Shrewdsun1**:	if you have any planets you’d want stuff regularly delivered let me know


[29-Jun-24 10:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Hey, this is my Bi-weekly update on my project. As of right now we have 1 opening for a deimos base.


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**Komalarn**:	I saw that! :D


[29-Jun-24 10:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	The DNPC project is to integrate a number of horizontal bases (bases with only one Expert Specialist), primarily on Deimos and Nike, to make BSE and BBH.


[29-Jun-24 10:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Im tired leave me alone (*￣3￣)╭


[29-Jun-24 10:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Komalarn**:	:D


[29-Jun-24 10:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	haha


[29-Jun-24 10:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Komalarn**:	You mean you are going to leave Deimos and are looking for a player to fill that spot?


[29-Jun-24 10:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Nope nope. I run the project, i just have a few folks who are stepping down or shifting to other projects.


[29-Jun-24 10:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Komalarn**:	Oh ok, cool. When exchanging plots, you just do it at the same time or there is another way of transfering it without possibitlity of other players stealing it?


[29-Jun-24 10:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Oh no! We actually employ you. To extract ALO and O here. We can give out loans for construction costs


[29-Jun-24 10:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Komalarn**:	Oh :D I completly misunderstood :D I thought that you are going to leave a plot for another player to start a base :D


[29-Jun-24 10:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	I wish, hahah


[29-Jun-24 10:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Komalarn**:	Also a question: Does multi-permit base consume more plots?


[29-Jun-24 10:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	It does not.


[29-Jun-24 10:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Komalarn**:	Never needed that information but just wondering :D good to know


[29-Jun-24 10:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Yinxx**:	Most players stay away from adding permits


[29-Jun-24 10:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Komalarn**:	Yeah, it rarely makes sense


[29-Jun-24 10:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Komalarn**:	There is too few H20 rich planets. I can imagine some players will make multi-permit bases on those planets


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**Hal98**:	unless


[30-Jun-24 12:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hal98**:	you can make a HAL mine that mines 860 HAL per day


[30-Jun-24 12:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hal98**:	then worth


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**Komalarn**:	You must know what you are talking about


[30-Jun-24 01:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Komalarn**:	:D


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**jcheung9941**:	i think he's biased


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**Komalarn**:	@jcheung9941 and you smell funny


[30-Jun-24 04:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Komalarn**:	:D


[30-Jun-24 04:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Komalarn**:	burn


[30-Jun-24 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	:o


[30-Jun-24 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	well let me take a shower then


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	...this convo has taken a strange turn...


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**Tanda**:	Well, Hal definitely knows his HAL, and jcheung smells a lot better after that shower


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**jcheung9941**:	well


[30-Jun-24 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	i haven't gotten to it yet


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**Hal98**:	I might know a thing or two about HAL


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**MvdS**:	Any change someone is online who can sell 5xBTA to me on the LM?


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**jcheung9941**:	you still there?


[02-Jul-24 02:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	oh wait. already used my bta. oops


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**MvdS**:	thanks for checking


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**Shrewdsun1**:	if anyone has excess Al to sell, let me know. I put some Ads on the LM


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**LargeFoot**:	I see them but you are paying in goon-coin


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**LargeFoot**:	xD


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**LargeFoot**:	As a man of non discrimination, however, I will accept your ICA


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**Shrewdsun1**:	lol, no clue wh its in ICA


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**Shrewdsun1**:	much preffred AIC as well


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	"Excess AL" lol


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**Shrewdsun1**:	You’d be suprised


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**Shrewdsun1**:	Hey, if anyone wants to have their consumable delivered, hit me up. I'm getting into the consumables delivery business and i am looking for new clients


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**Emperyan**:	Anybody want to buy FEO here?


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**nmc**:	hi all


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**nmc**:	how destroy any buildings (rig or smelter or etc..)?


[03-Jul-24 06:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Keenmind**:	Should be if u open base and show structures u have a demolish option


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**Keenmind**:	View base-buildings  Demolish tab


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[04-Jul-24 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Hey Deimos! For the new players who don't know me, to the older players who see my name on a lot of planets, I am Rise. I have governed directly on Hephaestus for the past 25 election cycles, and have managed 15+ other planets via proxy governors for various periods of time since I started 2 years ago. I saw that in Antares, no corporation or group of people had stepped up in a meaningful way to competently manage any planet outside of the main ones that made the most money for them. And the few planets outside these large few were being by someone, often were done so very poorly. I’ve been an advocate for good governors and competent governance since I started holding office, and an opponent to any who take the office for granted and do not consistently manage the population well.


[04-Jul-24 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	That time has mostly passed us now, and Paris_In_Springtime is someone I can attest to as a communicative and competent governor, open to discussion and suggestion. He has his eye on the population and his finger on the COGC fulfillment. Should he lack any votes to be in the governor spot, I would highly encourage folks to throw a vote his way. That being said, if his vote count is looking healthy, I would appreciate it greatly if you voted for me. It would be a pleasure and honor to sit alongside him. You will not regret either vote.


[04-Jul-24 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	I can also say that LazySiege is a stand up guy and has done a great job Governing Nascent. If someone is looking for a 3rd place vote, I think he would be a stellar option.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Thank you for the kind words Rise.


[04-Jul-24 04:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	(the cheque is waiting for you in that back. Collect it on your way out)


[04-Jul-24 04:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Thx daddy


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Dear masters and miscreants, this has been an exciting election season! Much has happened and been said on other planets (some good, some entertaining).


[04-Jul-24 04:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	(some both :D )


[04-Jul-24 04:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	At lest here on Deimos we can be assured of good governance, cheap taxes and hard-worked PIOs!


[04-Jul-24 04:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I appreciate all votes who would like to see the Deimos party-bus continue as it is. The bar is well-stocked and music will continue 'till we reach the horizon...


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	May your day continue to be ever-bright.


[04-Jul-24 06:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Fiery_Ashes**:	I'm currently low on funds and resources, would anyone be willing to transport Basic Rations and Drinking Water to me? I only have a little bit over 1,000 AIC, but I could throw in some Aluminum ore that you could sell or refine or do what you want with


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**Tanda**:	There really isn't anything we can do to help without you having a Pro account


[04-Jul-24 08:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	I think most people would be willing to provide them for free since you're new anyways :)


[04-Jul-24 08:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	@fiery_ashes If you can setup the cont, you can have 100k for free. Absolutely do not mind helping out a newbro


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**SecretAce**:	I've just stuck a shipping cont up if anyone is flying over to Nike anytime soon


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**Tanda**:	What is up with all these Deimos LM ads that are all sorts of other currency except for AIC


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**Tanda**:	get those outta here


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**Shrewdsun1**:	lol I think those are mine, don’t know how it ended up that currency


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**Fiery_Ashes**:	@RiseofFilth I made a contract, but I'm on the free version so I can't send it to you


[06-Jul-24 08:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Yeah, thats kinda what I meant. A lot of the features are locked behind having pro, or at least, Basic (which you only get as a default after buying 1 month of pro)


[06-Jul-24 08:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Most anyone here is happy to help you out, but we have no ability to unless you have or have previously had PRO


[06-Jul-24 08:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	you can only really interact with the CX


[06-Jul-24 08:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Keenmind**:	Spend the 7 bucks and get pro. Very much worth it


[06-Jul-24 09:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	Even after it expires, having basic and able to interact with local market conts is very nice


[06-Jul-24 09:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	https://discord.gg/3nXeTa9fPy recommend joining the Antares Development Initiative if you do as well, they are a good group of folks that offer grants and help with new players starting out


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**Hal98**:	ADI ftw


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**MoonBear011**:	hello


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**Zipatsu**:	Welcome! \o


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**Shrewdsun1**:	Welcome!


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I pronounce it "Dey-mos", the way the Greeks intended.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Also, I will not be bribed with money.


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	Amen


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**MysteriousWalrus**:	(To the pronunciation, not the no bribery)


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**RiseofFilth**:	DAY-MAN, AHH AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


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**jcheung9941**:	you won't be bribed with moeny? okay. here, have one rat. it's not a ration though


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**jcheung9941**:	...unless you want it to be


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	lol


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**Shrewdsun1**:	If anyone has spare STL fuel on site, i forgot to plan for it for my new ship


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**Shrewdsun1**:	iv put up a LM ad for it


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**jfre**:	hi


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**Shrewdsun1**:	Hello


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**Shrewdsun1**:	Restarded i see


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**PiBoy314**:	Contracts posted on the LM for 10k a piece going to ANT!


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**NTASD**:	bruh how do you play


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**CptColeslaw**:	you do the tutorial? watch the videos? it's a lot of information displayed at once which is useful layer on but can make the game seem more complicated than it is at first


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**CptColeslaw**:	watch the vids, ask questions if you have them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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**xflqr_**:	Hey everyone! The DNPC (Deimos-Nike production co-operative) in AA is still looking for another deimos member! The goal of this project is to mass produce BBH and BSE while maximizing efficiency. You can join by fully dedicating your Deimos permit to the project, and you'll get paid in the end products at the end of the week. We have 0% interest loans (with no deadlines) available to help you get your needed buildings/ships, so if you're interested please send me a message :)


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**kurzninja**:	I see when looking at the exchanges there's lots of outstanding orders for stuff that looks like those prices will never be met, do people just leave them outstanding forever in hopes that it comes down or do you normally just cancel and reorder?


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**kurzninja**:	One guy has both the lowest offering and the highest bid on carbon for a shitton of units with a 10AIC spread, essentially locking the price there


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	allocater is far into the end-game, where money has less meaning than when you're starting out.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	He's kindly decided to use his time and wealth to try bring stability to the market by being the Market Maker (MM) on both sides. You'll see he's got trades on almost every product in the game.


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**kurzninja**:	I just realized I have like 120K in outstanding orders that will maybe never be filled


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**Roh**:	A player trying to be a MM staple is not called a Market Maker. They are instead, proffered the title of Market Master.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I stand correct ty 😉


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**Roh**:	You can just delete them @kurzninja --- it's not like you get charged marginal fees for your CXOS orders.


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**kurzninja**:	I guess it's a matter of do I tie up that money waiting for a possibly lower price to come around some day or free up that money and buy it now at a higher price. Decisions, decisions.


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**Roh**:	you can drop down a market ticker of some commodity that you'd like to consider, and maybe we all can pitch in with suggestions?


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**Roh**:	HCP.NC1 for example --- a common necessity for C production, or say more complicated stuff for higher tier base consumables.


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**kurzninja**:	i was specifically looking at C.AI1


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**kurzninja**:	I thought about just trying to produce it myself but that's complicated


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**kurzninja**:	might be cheaper to buy the HCP and then burn it myself instead of the complete chain from growing to burning


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**Roh**:	Well you can burn, HCP, GRN, or MAI for C --- it's not just HCP.


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**kurzninja**:	right. i'd rather use my H20 for DW than plants. I might need to make some spreadsheets to work this out lol


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**Roh**:	you can make easy comparisons (opportunity cost). Do I sell my water, or do I keep it? Should I keep it, should I use it for DW, or plants. Should I make plants, do I sell them on the CX, or do I burn them?


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**Roh**:	ROI is a good idea. Capital investment costs are a good idea. Shipping tonnage/intervals weekly are a good idea.


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**kurzninja**:	can you elaborate on that last part? Shipping?


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**Roh**:	If you get more complicated, you'll probably want to ask yourself, how much cost do I have to sink into commodities, to keep a base running for at least a week, without immediate resupply.


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**Roh**:	Yeah...


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**Roh**:	Lets say you have a starter FTL ship, with 500 t/m3 of capacity, available for only 1 delivery at a planet, weekly (arbitrary example). Your base then could make only 2500 units of H2O, weekly, before you will have to start to look for other solutions. If you make more than what you can handle, you will have to outsource jobs to others who can do them for you. If not, then you will meet Input/Output logistical limits, since you just can't handle it yourself.


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**Roh**:	Your base will eventually overflow with material, that you can't move to another warehouse inventory, and your production will literally stop.


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**kurzninja**:	Gotcha, I thought you meant shipping for others as a way of making money. I don't think I"m anywhere near the level of production to run up against the problem you're talking about lol


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**Roh**:	Shipping for others may be a good idea, if you need like some extra cash, built up over time, on routes that you don't have to go out of your way for.


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**Roh**:	But, per my projections, you will almost never make more money with them, as compared to bases.


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**Roh**:	If your bases make only like 35k in profits daily, then yeah you could start to invest in large numbers of ships, past like say base #50. Before that, it doesn't make sense, since the opportunity cost, and ROI, for more bases, far outweights that of shipping.


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**kurzninja**:	I have one base I'm barely keeping afloat... LOL


[02-Aug-24 11:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	Currently in the game, ships are more of a necessary expense that furthers your basebuilding, and they sometimes can make some extra money. However, with the more profitable processes, you'll likely be making far more than 32k of profits daily.


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**Roh**:	People also low-ball you with shipping rewards. They basically make knee-jerk decisions, depending on how long their exports have been sitting in their inventories. Less than 2k in fees, per 500 t/m3 if picked up during the week.


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**Roh**:	More than 20k per 500 t/m3 if no one even bothers picking it up for a month, or more.


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**Roh**:	But that's just all from the public LM stuff that I've seen. If you wanna do stuff profitably, private ventures are the way to go.


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**Roh**:	*coughs -- DNPC, scroll up -- coughs*


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**RiseofFilth**:	Just wanted to put it out there. The government this month has been smooth sailing with Paris at the lead. I encourage folks to vote for him so he can continue to lend us his leadership.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I endorse Rise's comment and have found this outgoing parliament to be the best yet!


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Last month, I asked the members of parliament for donations to help with the upkeep, and they were all incredibly (even overly) generous in their donations!


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	This month, should I remain governor, I will be asking for a flat donation from all member of parliament that evenly shares the costs.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I'm hoping this stays as part of Deimos' culture even after I'm no longer governor.


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**RiseofFilth**:	May that day never come!


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**Robocreator223**:	excel the mmo


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**Robocreator223**:	i love spreadsheets!!


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**CptColeslaw**:	bonus: the spreadsheets are *in space*


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**Robocreator223**:	i bought stuff at the exchange, i have to send a ship there to pick it up right?


[09-Aug-24 07:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CptColeslaw**:	correct


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**CptColeslaw**:	fortunately ANT is a short flight from here


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**Robocreator223**:	welp, i guess i'll see you all in 4 hours


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**Robocreator223**:	considering i have nothing to do here


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**CptColeslaw**:	https://www.prunplanner.org


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**CptColeslaw**:	hmm


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**CptColeslaw**:	https://prunplanner.org/

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Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets.


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**CptColeslaw**:	For my first few months playing I spent more time on that site planning bases than here actually running them


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**Robocreator223**:	how do i pick up stuff at the cxl


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**Robocreator223**:	i have a ship there


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**Robocreator223**:	i bought stuff yesterday, how do i load it onto a ship?


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**Robocreator223**:	i figured it out


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**jcheung9941**:	happy to hear that


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**AlexanderWolfe**:	Hey, I need Carbon.  Anyone got any to sell?


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**Shrewdsun1**:	I can sell you some but at a premium


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**Shrewdsun1**:	Too poor for charity


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**jcheung9941**:	can't anyways


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**jcheung9941**:	they're U which means not pro


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	@AlexanderWolfe I can help you out. PM me.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Rejoice fellow Deimosians!


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	We, the humble representatives of your will, have found a way to enact a truly fair Graduated Taxation.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	As Deimos is a starter planet, we felt it was important that new players not be burdened by the upkeep needs, and so PIO taxes are kept at a historic low.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Taxes upon higher level buildings were raised, with an eye that the most profitable buildings paid a proportionate amount in txes.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Although this may not fully close the gap between taxes and upkeep, we are certain these small but important steps will help Deimos continue to be a fair and lovely place to pollute the environment with smelters and smog.


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**Robocreator223**:	what are pio taxes


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**CptColeslaw**:	production fees for buildings that employ pioneers. check "LR ZV-759c" to see the local rules for Deimos. Under the production fees section it will show you how much each tier of workforce is taxes in each industry. Really, it's a super minor expense that most people don't even really think about unles you're one of us crazy enough to get into managing planets


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**qaz123QAZ**:	hello world


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**Zipatsu**:	Welcome! \o


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**Crustysock**:	Finally got a pro license


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**EyangKodok**:	yay!


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**Admiral-SS**:	Hello ^^


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**imJoshuaRice**:	Anyone else finding it bugged where buying from CXL and specifying ship inventory - it just goes into warehouse regardless?


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**Zipatsu**:	That option has never worked for me either ^^


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**EnragedTribble**:	only time i see the CX auto load my ship is when I go to HRT or MOR where I dont have a warehouse, and even then I still end up with a lot of 'come get your stuff' contracts


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**imJoshuaRice**:	I'm used to it now, but today I forgot to load from warehouse to ship


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**imJoshuaRice**:	Cancelled the flight after two seconds, 2hr return to orbit followed by 3.5hr return to station ;-;


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**imJoshuaRice**:	First time I've ever tried to abort a flight, so I learnt something at least.


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**KZ_Kawasaki**:	Yes they really need like a 30 second delay before the ships close up hatches and ramps and depart where you can cancel.


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**Tanda**:	Placed some LM orders for ALO at ANT ASK price. Please sell to me


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**Crustysock**:	Posting some ALO locally for people


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**Mr.Logan**:	how do i get more recourses to build my first building?


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**jcheung9941**:	you can buy some at the CX


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**jcheung9941**:	uhm. open a buffer and type in "CX AI1"


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**jcheung9941**:	that's the closest one


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**jcheung9941**:	then you select construction prefabs


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**Aqual**:	Hello


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**Okawari**:	hi


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**Tanda**:	posted some ALO LM ads for ANT ASK prices, sell to me!


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**Tanda**:	Got some shipping contracts Deimos to ANT up for 10k a pop on the LM


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**jcheung9941**:	i wish i had seen that before i sent an empty WCB to ant


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**jcheung9941**:	darn LM didn't refresh for me so i didn't see it when i checked :(


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**Hal98**:	i need one SSC... flying here with my ship that I was going to repair damaged it more and I need one more SSC....


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**Hal98**:	Ill pay 500 for one SSC :)


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**RiseofFilth**:	Hey all, appreciate everyone taking a moment to vote. Just a shout out for the existing Gov and MPs, all good folks and contributors (or at least, no negatives :) ). If you are looking for a new person to support with Megasaber not running, Tanda is a good choice. PS. Dont forget Rotarycyclone!


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**Laaxus**:	Would anybody sell me 4 bde 2 bse ? my math was wrong and I'd like to upgrade my HQ today


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**Roh**:	@Laaxus can you drop LM ads for those? I can spot you right now.


[30-Aug-24 12:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	ANT.ASK rates. You don't need to throw money at me.


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**Laaxus**:	perfect, doing it


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**Roh**:	you should have them by now. :)


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**Laaxus**:	i messed up the price, so I  give you much for the second, because I have to go


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**Laaxus**:	and do not have the time to do precise math


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**Roh**:	it's fine


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**Laaxus**:	anyway thanks a lot


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**Roh**:	:P


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**xflqr_**:	Hey everyone! The DNPC project in AA is looking for another smelter base on Deimos. You'd put in a full permit on Deimos, and get paid in BBH+BSE at the end of the week. We can provide 0% interest loans without deadline, as well as help with all the shipping. If you've got pro and you're interested, please send me a message :D


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**Epeon**:	Didn't think I'd get into another factory sim but here we are


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**Laaxus**:	we all started like this


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**Ravick**:	Welcome


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**Epeon**:	Ty


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**Epeon**:	Btw, is there a corp HQ here with room for one more?


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**Tanda**:	There are not corp HQs on starter worlds, but there are multiple nearby


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**Epeon**:	That could work


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**jcheung9941**:	really? i didn't know corps couldn't make HQs on starters


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**Ravick**:	Couple of shipping ads up from Deimos to ANT


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**jvaler**:	Hello Antares! Been a while(afaik) since the Antares Development Initiative has shilled in starter planet chats. I'm just here to remind everyone that our group has ₳1,000,000 AIC grants(free money, not a loan) available to any new/less developed Antarians! Let us help you get through the early game slog! If you or your friends are interested, join our server for more information. =) https://discord.gg/N6bXSuvbuw


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**EyangKodok**:	i need stuff to be transported to Proxion


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**EnvyF**:	It's annoying that you need to pay for the game to do transport contracts


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**EnvyF**:	but I guess they're not confident in their ability to swat alts


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**Pxlfox**:	@EYANGKODOK I just started and am still producing, so nothing to transport on my end


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**Pxlfox**:	this is the planet chat, right?


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**Laaxus**:	yes, planet chat


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**Pxlfox**:	how many are we here? And how long do you all play? I started yesterday and still grinding throw the tutorial it seems like


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**Laaxus**:	@envyF dev gotta eat, better that than P2W


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**Laaxus**:	@pxlfox on the planet ? around 500 I Guess ?


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**Laaxus**:	on the chat, maybe 20 ?


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**Laaxus**:	*shrug*


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**Pxlfox**:	@laaxus really? thats more than i thought


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**Pxlfox**:	on the other hand - it's a whole planet, so ...


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**Laaxus**:	417 base on deimos


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**Laaxus**:	hard to Say how many are from active players


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**Pxlfox**:	when clicking through random windows i noticed the planet is governet by players, too, right?


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**EnvyF**:	Yup


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**EnvyF**:	They get voted in


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**Pxlfox**:	is there a window to check the economy just for Deimos? For example what is produced here and how much of that?


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**EnvyF**:	I don't think so? That would be incredibly valuable information


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**EyangKodok**:	there are probly around 5k players


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**EyangKodok**:	with LEAD command you can see somekind of leaderboard of each items production etc


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**EnvyF**:	Amazing, stimulus cheque cleared


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**EnvyF**:	I was like, 50% on it being a scam


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**Pxlfox**:	Hello :)


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**Pxlfox**:	How is the business going?


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**Hal98**:	it goes. forges burn hot and bright


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**SpaceMartin**:	ALO is being extracted o7


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**Tanda**:	I have posted something like 40 different shipping contracts on the ANT LM going to a variety of places. Any shipping assistance is appreciated


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**SpaceMartin**:	Picked up 2 that were in system


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**Pxlfox**:	Are on this planet only metallurgy firms? And how do you all manage the need for O and C? Do you produce it yourself, or do you but it from market?


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**EnvyF**:	I gather O, import C


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**Djonni**:	Yeah, gather O and buy C is a good starting strategy. In time you could set a goal to produce your own C, but you'd probably do that with a base on another planet with better fertility and more water


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**jcheung9941**:	O? on deimos? ehhhh....


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**jcheung9941**:	i guess it's on the higher side for this region of space


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**Laaxus**:	Talking of O, I've put LM offers for O, above market price


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**Pxlfox**:	yeah, you get 5 units of O in 8


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**Pxlfox**:	* hours


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**Pxlfox**:	but I'm still on one forge, so thats plenty for now ...


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**Pxlfox**:	you do you do profit with the current C prices? Interstellar Gaia is capping the prices around 700 AIC, while Aluminium for example sells for around 715 AIC - considering the transportation and staff costs there is like no profit in it


[17-Sep-24 03:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	Ah, wait - the recipe is 1 Carbon to 3 Aluminium ... maths


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**Pxlfox**:	but still, it feels harsh


[17-Sep-24 04:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Laaxus**:	AL and C are not the most profitable business currently


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**Laaxus**:	if you don't buy, sell and transport in bulk, your margin are even thinner


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**Laaxus**:	try CU, CF or LI


[17-Sep-24 04:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	that might be and I going to check out those markets, thank you. I just started, so I have to do the best of my one base I'm currently limited to... and on Deimos there is just ALO ...


[17-Sep-24 04:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	I could try to setup a carbon production line. I wouldn't be the most effective one, but would reduce costs for buying carbon.


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**Laaxus**:	I recommend reading the whole handbook, it's quite short (the wiki part) https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com

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[17-Sep-24 04:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Laaxus**:	On deimos, you want to build metalurgy buildings because of the chamber of global commerce


[17-Sep-24 04:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Laaxus**:	I'd recommend either a mix of EXT + SME, or full SME


[17-Sep-24 04:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Laaxus**:	If you haven't yet, join the official discord, the community is very welcoming


[17-Sep-24 04:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Laaxus**:	and would gladly help you


[17-Sep-24 05:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	I have an EXT, a SME and a COL for O. Currently I'm just waiting for productions to complete to collect some revenue and then expand. In the meantime I'm just trying to understand the current market, the dynamics and planing the next steps.


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**Pxlfox**:	I check some resources, but didn't read the whole handbook as of now


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**Pxlfox**:	Just checked CU planets - there are miles away... don't see that as an expension in the near future...


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**Pxlfox**:	*they are


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**jvaler**:	Hello Deimos! Just here to remind everyone that the Antares Development Initiative is offering ₳1,000,000 AIC grants(free money, not a loan) to any new/developing Antares-based players! More information can be found here: https://discord.gg/N6bXSuvbuw


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**kynadre**:	Greetings and salutations! :D


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**Ravick**:	Welcome!


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**GiovanniCEO**:	Hi new player here


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**ManhimOne**:	Hi


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**kynadre**:	welcome


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**Zorakir**:	hello everyone, just to be clear, i do take 14h and 50 min real time to a smal order in the extractor?


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**Zipatsu**:	Heya, yes it does take quite a bit of time to extract ALO


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**Zorakir**:	thanks


[19-Sep-24 11:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**EnvyF**:	You can build more extractors if you want more resources.


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**jcheung9941**:	i should do that sometime


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**ColdHotPocket**:	bro


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**ColdHotPocket**:	this game is really cool


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**Tanda**:	Yeah! it is! I'm closing in on a year in this game and there is still so much to do


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**Tanda**:	I really love having a persistent game that I can build on over time


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**kynadre**:	=) Yeah, it's really cool how the planning and management skills grow and how fulfilling it can feel with long-term plans


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**kynadre**:	too many games over-rely on short-term goals


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**Ronsu**:	Want to join a corp, dm me please.


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**Tanda**:	I've got a bunch of ALO buy ads up on the LM for competitive rates. Fill them and save us both a trip!


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**S-10**:	Wanna invest into my ALO mining base so I can sell you the ALO? :D


[06-Oct-24 01:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	I would suggest you join the ADI discord so you can get that investment. They offer guidance and grants of 1mil AIC to new players. https://discord.gg/XUpknJWg


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**Tanda**:	don't get me wrong, I'd love to have more ALO extraction but it's not the most profitable profession for someone on Deimos


[06-Oct-24 01:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**kynadre**:	is a nice cash infusion if you have extra or can't quite afford enough extractors to keep up, though


[06-Oct-24 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**xflqr_**:	thats why he recommends joining ADI and getting the free money :)


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**Emperyan**:	Anyone have 50 -100 Oxygen they can spare while I wait on my shipment?


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**EyangKodok**:	i can


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**hakiratowastaken**:	any tips for a new player?


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**kynadre**:	take your time figuring things out, community's friendly and helpful, make less-frequent trips to market and back if you can


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**kynadre**:	lots of stuff is profitable but not everything is, and not everything has demand, but you can figure a LOT of that out with the market


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**EyangKodok**:	get loans :)


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**Archiel**:	Even better than loans, get Antares Development Initiative grant money! :D


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**Archiel**:	Speeds things up dramatically. Usually you can fill out your first base and then you'll be on the way to your expansion


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**Roh**:	Digger coliqed... Wow.


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**Roh**:	Diggler*


[09-Oct-24 12:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Dover**:	The OG Pirate


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**Cuendilar**:	whats that antares initiative grant stuff? is that legit?


[09-Oct-24 02:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Laaxus**:	yes it is


[09-Oct-24 02:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Laaxus**:	I got 750k with (it was 750k at the time)


[09-Oct-24 02:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Laaxus**:	everybody in the region benefits from new players


[09-Oct-24 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Laaxus**:	so if players feels like the early game is too slow for them, they can ask a grant


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**Laaxus**:	1M AIC boost a new player by 70 days


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**Laaxus**:	join the ADI https://discord.gg/BgN5y2wQ


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**Roh**:	More blood, for the blood god (yes it's Korn) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duy7YrEcL2M&list=PLA6fygbZp6OI1W0ZQWDK69Ks5yoY9GxG1 :P

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Gothic Romance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duy7YrEcL2M
Jonathan Davis - Not Meant For Me
Jonathan Davis - Not Meant For Me  (Sountrack) Queen Of The Damned
2002

Not Meant for Me
Richard Kendall Gibbs / Jonathan Howsman Davis

Lyrics:

You think you're smart
You're not
It's plain to see
That you want me to
Follow
It's killing me
Let's see
You got to go
Come take it all
The jury is coming
Coming to tear me apart
All this bitching and...
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**Cuendilar**:	Can someone explain the SHIPPING contracts in LM to me? they pay 2.500 AIC for a trip that will cost me like 3.700 AIC. Am i missing something or are those just... badly planned? :D


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**EnvyF**:	If you're going there anyway, it'll offset the cost of the trip


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**Cuendilar**:	ah, gotcha. thats true.


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**Ischua**:	TRADE


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**Tanda**:	RETRADE


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**jvaler**:	UNTRADE


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**Scovorod**:	hi


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**Djonni**:	COUNTERTRADE


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**Cuendilar**:	BALUSTRADE... wait.


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**Ciarlatano**:	Hello! I had to bring a shipment to Antares I but I arrived late. I'm at destination, with the package, but the conctracts says "Deadline breached" and I have to wait 24h to see if they grant me an extension.


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**Ciarlatano**:	Is waiting my only option?


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**Diggle7198**:	Not entirely sure, but I think so.


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**Diggle7198**:	Nevermind, I looked it up.


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**Diggle7198**:	If the deadline exceeds, the partner with more fulfilled conditions gets to decide what to do.


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**Diggle7198**:	If it's the AI you'll surely get an extension.


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**jcheung9941**:	if it's one from antares faction, then you just get screwed


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**jcheung9941**:	no extension


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**kynadre**:	so there's nothing that can be done about the AI faction ones? Damn


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**Tanda**:	yeah, NPC factions just autofail it. Useful if you're using the shipping contracts as loot pinatas


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**Diggle7198**:	Anyone knows where to get carbon?


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**Cuendilar**:	From Incinerators. You basically burn stuff up and you get carbon.


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**Cuendilar**:	If you click on carbon, you can see recipes and behind the "@", you see where those recipes apply.


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**EnvyF**:	You might as well buy it though


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**Tanda**:	I am once again purchasing ALO on the Deimos LM for 120/unit. Please sell to me, save us both a trip to the CX


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**zillatron**:	@Tanda got chu fam 🖖🏼


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**zillatron**:	I’m mobile and shitty coverage but I’ll sort out the rest when I get home 😎


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**Tanda**:	no worries!


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**SpaceMartin**:	Anyone got 1 MCG ?


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**EyangKodok**:	i do!


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**SpaceMartin**:	thnks who ever sent that haha


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**jcheung9941**:	you should be able to tell from the contract :P


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**Tanda**:	I am once again purchasing ALO on the Deimos LM for 130/unit. Please sell to me, so I don't have to ship it in from the CX


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**Diggle7198**:	I'd like to help you, but my rating is to low and I have no clue how to raise it.


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**Pxlfox**:	@Diggie completing contracts


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**Pxlfox**:	@Tanda I'm sadly using up all my ore myself, therefore I don't have anything spare to give :(


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**Diggle7198**:	@Pxlfox Thank you!


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**Pxlfox**:	Not sure if fraction contracts count, tho


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**Diggle7198**:	I don't think so


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**Diggle7198**:	I've done a lot and I'm still unrated


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**Pxlfox**:	Oh, do you have Pro?


[22-Oct-24 09:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Okawari**:	Rating will remain Unrated until you get Pro for at least one month afaik


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**Pxlfox**:	^


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**Pxlfox**:	You can't interact with the LM, nor can you accept player contracts, until you had at least Pro for a month


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**Okawari**:	https://prosperousuniverse.com/premium Your account will become a Basic account if your pro subscription lapses and will retain some features you cant access as a free account.

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https://prosperousuniverse.com/premium
Prosperous Universe | The Economic Space MMO
In Prosperous Universe, you are the CEO of your own spacefaring company. Explore the galaxy, design spaceships, forge alliances, and most importantly: produce, trade, transport, and profit. Manage your business through a highly customizable user interface named APEX, accessible via web browser. Contribute to a purely player-driven MMO economy in...
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**Non808**:	Is there a way to tell how much an extractor or collector will produce before building it?


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**Okawari**:	A tool like https://prunplanner.org/ can help you plan out your base

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https://prunplanner.org/
PRUNplanner
Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets.


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**Okawari**:	there are other map tools as well that will let you know that info but I don't have any of those handy atm


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**Non808**:	Oh cool thank you!


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**Okawari**:	I'dd like to buy 10 AL from someone. I kinda messed up my ratios and wanna save myself a trip. Put up an ad on the LM


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**Okawari**:	Thanks!


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**Cuendilar**:	i can sell you 10, how much?


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**Cuendilar**:	oh fck, wait how can i delete a post? :D thats a 0 too much.


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**Cuendilar**:	now... at LM.


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**Non808**:	CHEAP SHIPPING: 360t 434m^3 from Antares Station to Deimos for ~1k AIC. Leaves in the next 24 hrs.


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**BooKliko**:	@Non808, I would like a peace of that. Setting it up


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**Non808**:	@BooKliko sounds good send me the contract!


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**Non808**:	Is it legal to sell your vote for governor?


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**Roh**:	Perfectly legal.


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**Roh**:	You just need #PRO


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**Non808**:	Cos Id be happy to receive a "political investment" (of ~100k AIC) and would definitely politically support any candidate who understood my concerns


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**Non808**:	Luckily for me I do have pro, you interested at all @Roh?


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**Roh**:	mmm, you just COLIQ'd....


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**Non808**:	is that this games version of telling me to rope myself? :)


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**Roh**:	Yes, and no? This is a #long-term game... People who've made mistakes, even on a comapny instance, are usually frowned upon. It takes a while to build back up player relationships, trust, business partnerships, and whatnot.


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**Roh**:	Immediate COLIQs asking for quick and easy money, whatever way they can, is not the best way to start-off again?!?


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**Non808**:	Thats fair unfortunately I played this game for a little bit back a bit over a year ago but then life got really busy for me so had to stop


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**Roh**:	You have MORE than enough ways, via #UFO discord, or other servers, to get a working capital up to your requirements.


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**Roh**:	Yeah.... #PROs don't get COLIQ'd, per dev mechanics, no matter whats going on...


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**Non808**:	I mean don't get me wrong I'm very happy to play by the book but y'know I'm always down for some political corruption


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**Non808**:	Yeah I did let my pro lapse when I wasn't playing but hopefully I'll be around for a lot longer this time


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**Roh**:	Welp....


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**Roh**:	GOVs have always been, from what I remember... a pro-publica affair (for the greater good, at cost, or less).


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**Non808**:	Ah so not too much political corruption then, no major deregulation or trampling of workers rights to be done


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**Non808**:	Unfortunate


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**Roh**:	Well you have that generally, across the board... Not due to malfeasance, but devs don't want to upon more data collection for community FIO (API) efforts.


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**Roh**:	Most people, everywhere?!? Are doing the best, with what they have --- which is generally not much info/data.


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**Non808**:	I do really like the FIO API it's very satisfying to use in my spreadsheet


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**Ciarlatano**:	Hello! Out of curiosity, if I buy something from market but I don't have a ship there, where does the items bought go?


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**jcheung9941**:	check contracts


[25-Oct-24 03:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	that said, a single warehouse at cx is cheap, consider getting at least one


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**MvdS**:	Anyone here who has 2 MCG lying around? I've put an ad on the local market


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**Cuendilar**:	returning from AI1 to Deimos in an hour or so. 380t / 420m3 left. if someone needs a haul, contract me.


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**Ravve**:	There you go, MvdS.


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**MvdS**:	thanks! @Ravve


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**WolfPL**:	Got 1000units of ALO , selling 132 AIC unit. Create contract at local market , Antares II - Deimos


[27-Oct-24 08:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**WolfPL**:	Buy contract ...:)


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**WolfPL**:	Still open 1000units of ALO , awaiting buyer.


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**Tanda**:	List it on lm, it'll go


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**WolfPL**:	Basic , at the moment.


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**Airbus_Flyer**:	If anyone has some spare TRU, there is an LM ad paying 1250 AIC per right now. A friend of mine needs some desperately. LMA ZV-759c/52209.


[30-Oct-24 03:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Airbus_Flyer**:	10k AIC for 8 TRU


[30-Oct-24 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	Look at the people jockeying to get on Deimos


[30-Oct-24 04:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Okawari**:	If only I could afford corp HQ right about now...


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**jcheung9941**:	i don't think you can put an HQ on deimos


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**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	:3


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**KZ_Kawasaki**:	Hot Dog, we have a Wiener


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**Okawari**:	Figured I would have been able, if there were open slots.


[31-Oct-24 05:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	When I set up a base on Deimos 888 days ago, I spent ages with a ship orbiting waiting for a spare slot to open. It was my 2nd base


[31-Oct-24 06:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Cuendilar**:	Deimos is a starter planet, no HQ on those afaik.


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**Frentic**:	o7 was hard to get a plot :P


[31-Oct-24 01:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Zipatsu**:	Welcome! \o


[31-Oct-24 01:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	\o/


[31-Oct-24 02:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**kynadre**:	welcome!


[31-Oct-24 02:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Ravick**:	Welcome!


[31-Oct-24 02:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Ravick**:	Nice work @Frentic


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**Frentic**:	@SilentReaper welcome haha you got it... i also got my plot here today :P


[31-Oct-24 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	yeah @Ravick, took some months watching but it was worth it :D


[31-Oct-24 03:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	Nice. Thank you thank you. I did make it.


[31-Oct-24 03:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Cuendilar**:	Whats with Deimos, tho?


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**SilentReaper**:	We produce 80% of my corp's AL here.


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**SilentReaper**:	Nice, and that's two new FIOC members on Deimos.


[31-Oct-24 03:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Cuendilar**:	Ah, man i just now read your name. :D *wave* Reaper. i did not forget our convo.


[31-Oct-24 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	Hah, yeah. Guess we did end up seeing each other around.


[31-Oct-24 06:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**KZ_Kawasaki**:	Yay! you got a spot too! Everyone welcome to Day-Moss or Dee-Moss or Day-Mows or Dee-Mows or just D


[31-Oct-24 06:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	hah


[31-Oct-24 06:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	Dez muts


[31-Oct-24 06:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	/daɪmɒs/


[31-Oct-24 06:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	Deimos, Son of Ares and Aphrodite, brother of Phobos :D


[31-Oct-24 07:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	in the english: Panic and Terror


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**Djonni**:	Deimos and Phobos also are moons of Mars, the game lore origin of the Antares Initiative


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**kynadre**:	panic and terror are the children of love and war... makes sense


[31-Oct-24 08:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**kynadre**:	or perhaps "passion" or "strong emotions" is the better interpretation instead of love


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**Archiel**:	Welcome all you familiar faces sneakin' in :D


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**Roh**:	@SilentReaper Good Sir! You have beaten me to populular COMG acclaim....


[02-Nov-24 03:36 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	But I must say @DJonni, those planetery name-sakes are misplaced. We are Antares (anti-Ares)... And not beholden to Ares him-self.


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**Roh**:	Take a gander, at the mythos beholden, to not only Deimos, but also to Phobos....


[02-Nov-24 03:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	In Greek mythology, Deimos /ˈdaɪmɒs/ (Ancient Greek: Δεῖμος, lit. 'fear'[1] pronounced [dêːmos]) is the personification of fear.[2] He is the son of Ares and Aphrodite, and the brother of Phobos. Deimos served to represent the feelings of dread and terror that befell those before a battle, while Phobos personified feelings of fear and panic in the midst of battle.


[02-Nov-24 03:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	So to what incentive to we Antareans hold strong to... That distateful, and combative, and discordant nature, begetting from that Are'an offsprring, whom few hold dear, or do we partake, in our name'sake, and build a better future for ourselves... Without fear, without dread, but with a stubborn pride, from all that we have built for ourselves!?!?


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**Roh**:	*** some lame banter  ***


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**Gladi099**:	heeeeeyyyyyy


[02-Nov-24 06:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Gladi099**:	Cant believe plots opend up :D


[02-Nov-24 06:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	We're loosing our chimneys... one after the others makes room for the next after him to polute our cloudy atmosphere...


[02-Nov-24 06:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	But lately, we lost more, then new could come. Some fear, the sun might poke threw again someday... something our grandparents told about


[02-Nov-24 06:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	Brothers, Sisters! Let the fire burn hotter then before! Let the sun darken by our fear, as we are Deimos!


[02-Nov-24 06:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	(Roh could probably make a better job then me ^^)


[02-Nov-24 06:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	Do we know, why people leave Deimos? Or are these just new players loosing interest after a few days?


[02-Nov-24 06:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	And there accounts getting deleted


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**Akyan**:	o/


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**Frentic**:	o/


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**Razenpok**:	o/


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**WolfPL**:	Got 1000 Units of ALO , looking for buyer at Antares II Deimos.


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**Cuendilar**:	o7


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**Roh**:	@Pxlfox XD


[02-Nov-24 10:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	Plots opened up, since like.... I'd say 60% of the people on Deimos, and every other popular planet, are TRIALS.


[02-Nov-24 10:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	There's nothing much to keep people engaged in a given thing, when they can't really interact with other players, besides the CX and the COMGs.


[02-Nov-24 11:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	"Our firery plumes grow truly cold, as all those trials do entirely fold.


[02-Nov-24 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	As weather'ing begets all those who strive, with their skill and will,


[02-Nov-24 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	Making them weary, whose goals were truly reaching, and rather bold.


[02-Nov-24 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	Yet gains amount, for those who shall keep to their weekly drill.


[02-Nov-24 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	Hearken ye, to that succulent widsom, betold by grandfathers of old;


[02-Nov-24 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	Forget those disdaining and forsaken mishaps of markets that do chill,


[02-Nov-24 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	And pay no heed, to those timely trends, of those who do give a shill;


[02-Nov-24 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	Rather keep to your devices, and ye shall reap a hearty pile of gold!"


[02-Nov-24 11:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	:P


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**Avenue**:	how do you make your grilled cheese?


[03-Nov-24 12:02 AM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	Mixed with smelting byproducts.


[03-Nov-24 12:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Avenue**:	is butter required or optional?


[03-Nov-24 12:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	Mandatory


[03-Nov-24 01:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Avenue**:	dang


[03-Nov-24 01:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Avenue**:	what about cheese?


[03-Nov-24 01:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Avenue**:	do you have a preferred cheese to use?


[03-Nov-24 01:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	Stinky blue cheese, all the way!


[03-Nov-24 01:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	I must admit, I do prefer my grilled cheeses with.... cheese. Preferred cheese ideally comes out of a chemical plant in stead of cow's tits.


[03-Nov-24 01:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	For the American style processed cheeses... they just add sodium citrates to the batches. It lets them stay gooey.


[03-Nov-24 01:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	Can't be sodium cirtratey enough if you ask me.


[03-Nov-24 01:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	The more goo the more bueno


[03-Nov-24 01:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	On another note, it looks like Deimos isn't continuing the trend in terms of available plots. Picked one up just in time me thinks.


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**Tanda**:	Need a tiny help with some shipping. I have one starter ship worth of shipment going to Vulcan


[03-Nov-24 08:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	Ad is up on the LM


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**kynadre**:	Anyone need anything from Deimos to A1? landing in 2 hours


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[03-Nov-24 01:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	Greatings, Antareans!  Looking for help, advice or just some chit-chat with some fellow CEOs in your neighborhood? Don't look any further, the Antares Development Initiative (ADI) got you covered!   Did you know: We also provide new players a 1,000,000 AIC grant (free money, not a loan) to kickstart you out of the early game right into your next big buisness.  More details: https://discord.gg/h2dhZFa2


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**Tanda**:	I myself am a product of this process and community. I highly recommend ADI and am still active with it today


[03-Nov-24 03:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**kynadre**:	^ it helped a lot, esp. the advice and exploration of ideas, to learn more how the game works. That was super valuable


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**SilentReaper**:	Good evening fellow metal workers. FIOC is looking to bring on new members to join the group. We operate different than other corps in that we share everything internally. We focus on production in stead of the generation of cash. This allows us to work more as a group, building complimentary bases to maximize outputs. If you're interested in how we do things, come check out our welcome page for more information. https://discord.gg/WNgrAzMdhx


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**imJoshuaRice**:	Woah, Carbon sure took a price hike at AI1 !


[04-Nov-24 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Harpercz**:	Holy....


[04-Nov-24 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Arcomius**:	Maybe someone buy a huge quantity of Carbon (so all the lower price has gone)


[04-Nov-24 11:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**kynadre**:	yeah seems that way


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**Squidbelt**:	It's all the way up to 1,220 now. Huge price hike.


[04-Nov-24 06:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	it was 2k first thing morning, it's going to take a while renormalize


[04-Nov-24 06:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Squidbelt**:	Sheeesh.


[04-Nov-24 06:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	looks like someone tried to stabilize the price and got cleaned out to keep the price high too


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**jcheung9941**:	around 4k was put on market to try to stabilize


[04-Nov-24 09:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	all got cleaned out


[04-Nov-24 10:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	That's insane. What a sleazebag


[04-Nov-24 11:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	I'll try and get a ship up to haul some C from BEN to ANT. Ridiculous.


[04-Nov-24 11:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	in case you want a person to blame for this one, it's carboonium inc `CO CRBM`


[05-Nov-24 12:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	I do want a person to blame lol.


[05-Nov-24 12:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	But it looks like other's are already plopping C on the CX. This little game of his is gonna hurt him in the long run I bet.


[05-Nov-24 12:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**EyangKodok**:	yes buy my C


[05-Nov-24 12:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**EyangKodok**:	it's cheap and very human


[05-Nov-24 12:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	Yeah, saw you had the biggest supply of the stuff on BEN. You willing to give me a discount for bulk purchases?


[05-Nov-24 12:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**EyangKodok**:	nope it's meant to prevent the price jump for a bit


[05-Nov-24 12:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	Okay, fair enough.


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**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Any co-ops looking for a permit on the planet to build out?


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[06-Nov-24 06:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**646870993**:	这是高智商玩家的天堂吧，这能看懂


[06-Nov-24 06:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**646870993**:	这要咋玩啊


[06-Nov-24 08:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Procur**:	Posted a buy ad on LM for 6x TRU cause I mathed wrong, if anyone happens to have any sitting around :)


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**imJoshuaRice**:	LM: x48 SFK (69.90), x48 MFK (189)


[06-Nov-24 12:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**imJoshuaRice**:	Selling ^


[06-Nov-24 03:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
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[07-Nov-24 08:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SmittyVentures**:	Hello Deimos CEO's!


[07-Nov-24 08:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	Welcome to Antares HQ


[07-Nov-24 08:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SmittyVentures**:	Thank you


[07-Nov-24 08:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SmittyVentures**:	Well nothing to do for the next 2 days while stuff is being manufactured


[07-Nov-24 08:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	That means it's time to start researching


[07-Nov-24 08:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SmittyVentures**:	Yes it is.


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**Frentic**:	o/


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**Galadene**:	I have 5 factories now and my products are ALOs and O2s, does anyone need these?


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**FUC_Prozer**:	Well hello there


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**zillatron**:	well well welllllllll


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**CptColeslaw**:	nice


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**Frentic**:	hello o/


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**Archiel**:	Welcome Timur! Glad you made it :D


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**kynadre**:	welcome


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**ScooshMaster**:	welcome!


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**Zipatsu**:	Welcome! \o


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**Frentic**:	Welcome o7


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**imJoshuaRice**:	@Galadene looks like plenty of ALO orders at 90 PPU on the LM :)


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**Tanda**:	Posted some LM ads for ALO @ 140/unit. Please fill them and save both of us some shipping!


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**Galadene**:	Okay, I got it.


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**Cuendilar**:	i can't bring 500, but i have 150 sitting arround. posted you a contract.


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**Pxlfox**:	Prosperous CEOs looking to connect with you in you area!   Looking for help, advice or just some chit-chat? The Antares Development Initiative (ADI) got you covered!   Did you know: We also provide new players a 1,000,000 AIC grant (free money, not a loan) to kickstart you out of the early game right into your next big buisness.  https://discord.gg/9eY7mMgf4J


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**Pr0duct1v1ty**:	ollo


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**Pxlfox**:	Hey, welcome back to the game :)


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**Frentic**:	Welcome :)


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**Djonni**:	Empty ship (500t/500m3) heading to Ant Station in a few hours, will take cheap shipping if posted to LM


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**Cuendilar**:	~400t/400m3 free from ANT > Deimos, contract me. ETD +2h


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**Akyan**:	FYI - I've placed 5 ASM since the last POPR, which will increase the demand for engineers by 100. Let me know if you want to send over funding for an eng immigration program.


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**Cuendilar**:	i dont know what that means. :D


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**Akyan**:	It's a message for the governer & MPs who manage the planet. I've put down some buildings that will increase the demand for engineers beyond those presently available. You can see the current population available for each type by using the "POPR ZV-759b" command.


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**Akyan**:	I've observed they're already running a programme to build up the population, which they may have already planned to run again. I've offered to pay for a targeted program to increase the engineer population to ensure there are sufficient engineers for everyone, if they want to take up the offer.


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**Akyan**:	If you're a governer or an member of parliament there's an option to run various types of programmes to increase the population.


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Thanks for letting us know Akyan. More ASMs in the area are always great 🙂


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	We've started voting on another ENG immigration for this week.


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**Cuendilar**:	nah, i'm just a newby learning. thanks for clarifying, tho. :)


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**Djonni**:	Small shipments to ANT for free, leaving in an hour. ~150t available altogether


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**Djonni**:	Uhhhh the recipe for AU 😂 13.83t inputs produces... 38.64t output?? That's one hell of a smelter


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**Magpie_One**:	smelter is employee of the month


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**Pxlfox**:	CEOs hate this trick!   The Antares Development Initiative (ADI) provides new players a 1,000,000 AIC grant (free money, not a loan) to kickstart you out of the early game right into your next big buisness!  If you're looking for help, advice or just some chit-chat, you're more then welcome to join our Discord.   https://discord.gg/9eY7mMgf4J


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**Tanda**:	Greetings everyone! It's that time again, I hunger for ALO! Buy contracts posted to the LM @120/unit. Save us both some transport costs and sell to me direct!


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**Ronsu**:	Tanda : As a new player I seldom have quantas over 300 ALO in stock, cause I ship them to antares. Are you willing to put up some 100 orders aswell?


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**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	How's everybody feel about the current WH space?


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**Tanda**:	Man, J-Space is weird. Between not having user lists on COMGs and having to use D-scanner all the time, it gets paranoia inducing


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**Roh**:	Just type in something in the system chat. I'm sure that someone will have their interest piqe'd :P


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**Cuendilar**:	Free shippin from ANT > Deimos in ~1-2h. 350t / 400m3 free.


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**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Sent you a cont to move a couple tons.


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**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Should be like 67t/m3


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**Cuendilar**:	loaded :)


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**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Appreciate it!


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**Djonni**:	Free shipping ANT->Deimos, ~200/250 space leaving in ~2hrs


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**Cuendilar**:	shipment done, sorry for the late delivery, it was a busy day. :P


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**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	No worries, it was in no way a rush job -- just some DW to top up stocks that I wouldn't have had a ship to move in probably a week or more.


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**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Thanks for running it.


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**AntiSyntax**:	I've got a WCB ship im bringing from Deimos to Nascent, completely empty, if anyone needs a shipment there. Leaving in the next 12-24 hours. 5 AIC / m^3. Just send a CONT.


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**jvaler**:	what could someone be running on nascent for deimos to export to?


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**Roh**:	ALO :P


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**Roh**:	ohh wait, its the reverse!


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**Roh**:	O :P


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**Roh**:	or HCP if you are a deviant. :P


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**Tanda**:	If you're a hooligan, any planet can be a smelter planet


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**Squidbelt**:	I am a hooligan :^)


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**Squidbelt**:	... Aspiring hooligan.


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**Tanda**:	I'm almost to the point of making every planet a construction planet


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**SilentReaper**:	Haha. Deviants


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**Pxlfox**:	A quick question to out dear government: How do the finances of Deimos do look like. Could we consider reducing or even removing the fee for LM ads?


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**Cuendilar**:	You mean the 53.00 AIC?! isnt that like peanuts anyways?


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**Pxlfox**:	yeah, on the second thought


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**Pxlfox**:	nervermind, just ignore me


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**Cuendilar**:	haha, the dot didnt register, right? :D could be me. :P


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**Squidbelt**:	A 5300 fee on LM ads would be insane, hahaha.


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**Cuendilar**:	DarFuel / bojidar008 trying to scam, or honest mistake? Whats going on?


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[08-Dec-24 07:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Okawari**:	Probably just a mistake. Bojidar does a lot of shipping contracts for people, myself included. I would be very surprised if they did something nefarious on purpose.


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**CptColeslaw**:	yeah they have over 100 ships and are primarily a shipping company, definitely not scamming anyone


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**Willger**:	Selling ALO for 90 at LM


[11-Dec-24 11:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	taken ^


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[12-Dec-24 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	If any newbies are on the wrong end of the FLX price gouging and are at risk of running out, let me know. I may be able to tide you over for a little bit. Have to go to ANT to pick it up though.


[12-Dec-24 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Djonni**:	Whoa, I hadn't even noticed it yet. That buy-up was wild. 29k units


[12-Dec-24 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Djonni**:	Just when COF.AI1 stabilizes, FLX.AI1 goes wild ~_~


[12-Dec-24 03:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Somebody's always monkeying with something.


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**Ielisa**:	Ive got a decent stockpile of FLX locally as well if some is needed to tide folks over


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**Squidbelt**:	Holy, now it's at 1,120. Insane.


[12-Dec-24 07:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	evov is on their way with relief... hold out a little longer


[12-Dec-24 07:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**zillatron**:	I’ve temporarily increased production, I’ll put some on the LM here at a normal price very shortly


[12-Dec-24 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127
**zillatron**:	LM ads up for anyone in dire need o7


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[13-Dec-24 04:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Cuendilar**:	o7 Some heros dont wear capes, sir.


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[13-Dec-24 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Squidbelt**:	Bless.


[13-Dec-24 02:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**zillatron**:	🥂


[13-Dec-24 03:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**EvoV**:	I'll have about 13k FLX landing in ANT in about 25 hours.


[13-Dec-24 03:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**EvoV**:	I'll probably make it available (in limited quantities maybe 500/person) via the ADI discord. Putting it all up on the CX will probably just see it get bought out again.


[13-Dec-24 04:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Take a chunk and put it up right under the high bids. That's what I'm doing. If anyone doesn't get the message/is forced to desperation buy, I'm doing my best to make sure it won't go to the market manipulator.


[13-Dec-24 04:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	If someone does need some I'm gonna have to pull the ad though, I don't have a lot of stock to play with.


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[13-Dec-24 10:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Djonni**:	I believe they've now done the same back to you both, @Pomme_de_Terroriste and @EvoV


[14-Dec-24 12:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Thanks for the heads up. Looks like enough other parties have started throwing in bids that they're unlikely to see a profit off of this attempt. Bumped mine down all the same, we'll get it marching back to normal.


[14-Dec-24 12:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Same offer still applies. If any newbies are getting squeezed, just speak up. I'll fill at least a few days' consumption at the pre-manipulation 175/u


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**RiseofFilth**:	yep, ive put 2x CHP bases on nothing but flux


[14-Dec-24 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**RiseofFilth**:	if anyone is drastically low, dm me in discord, I can sell for reasonable prices


[14-Dec-24 02:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**kynadre**:	bless


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**zillatron**:	another 500 on the LM for anyone in need


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[15-Dec-24 04:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Dear Deimos parliament: I am trying to make AL but my production is dummy thicc and the clap of my SMEs keeps filling my warehouse. Any chance of pumping that up a bit?


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[15-Dec-24 05:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	if 3k/3k warehouse isn't enough for your needs, you need more STOs. But I appreciate the meme at least


[15-Dec-24 06:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	Hey Pomme, I will check it out. Currently our finances are tight, running ~480k per period on the positive, so there's not a big buffer for investment, but maybe I can donate some. Let me see what we can do about it.


[15-Dec-24 06:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	More a matter of general principle. Given the high masses for things, seems like having 5K for everyone would be beneficial, especially since 3K can't even bank a week of inputs for a single permit smelter base.


[15-Dec-24 06:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	I agree the warehouse could be a bit bigger... helps a lot.


[15-Dec-24 06:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Lemme know what the math ends up looking like. I'm not exactly flush with cash but I'd be a lout if I didn't pitch in.


[15-Dec-24 06:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	sure, thank you. o7


[15-Dec-24 07:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	$845.380 for next level. Im providing it, dont worry. (BBH:142,BDE:144,BSE:66,MCG:1390). Im bringing in the mats for the next level. Will check the next level after. Arrives in 1d1hr. :)


[15-Dec-24 07:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	Interestingly, this next level would represent almost two weeks of Deimos tax income,


[15-Dec-24 07:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Got 50 BBH & 75 BSE I'm willing to chip in as my contribution to the upgrades as a whole, can put 'em in contract to you for pickup at ANT if you'd like.


[15-Dec-24 07:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Likely more as things go on as well, I'm guessing it's not gonna get bumped to max in the span of a week.


[15-Dec-24 07:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	Sure, I can pickup there, yeah, upgrades will be slow but they will happen.


[15-Dec-24 07:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	Im aiming at maybe 2 more warehouse levels for now, lets see.


[15-Dec-24 07:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	Will also discuss in parliament to see what others think too.


[15-Dec-24 07:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Grrovy.


[15-Dec-24 08:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Groovy, even.


[15-Dec-24 08:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	thanks for the donation o7


[15-Dec-24 08:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Djonni**:	Grrovy, babby.


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[16-Dec-24 01:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Cuendilar**:	FLX.AI1 still high af. :(


[16-Dec-24 03:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	Are people using warehouses instead of storage on their bases? Have they maxed 3 permits with production?


[16-Dec-24 03:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	WAR are supplementary to STO because stuff doesn't auto-transfer to them


[16-Dec-24 03:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jvaler**:	and triple permitting is pretty wasteful so i hope people aren't lol


[16-Dec-24 03:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Laaxus**:	smelting SI seems like a good business if anybody wants to look at it


[16-Dec-24 04:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	I run 4 STO and have to be very careful what i send. Bu i also run 2 permits and mix FS and SME


[16-Dec-24 04:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	My logic is that while WH space gets to be pricey to build, WH space is also overall more efficient for the planet. It's pretty much necessary to allow local segmented storage, but beyond that if it is built up and allows everyone to save a STO and build another production building, on a planet that is near max pop that's a fair bit of increased production.


[16-Dec-24 04:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	On a world where everything is so storage-intensive, the segmentation value is still quite high though. Especially if you're trying to keep an emergency buffer or utilizing external shipping.


[16-Dec-24 04:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	At any rate, I don't remember if I said it, but thanks @Frentic for bumping it up.


[16-Dec-24 06:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	o7


[16-Dec-24 06:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	Mats arrive in 14h


[16-Dec-24 07:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	When I first started playing over 1000 days ago triple permits were encouraged. I have 3 triple permit bases, no warehouses anywhere, not even at CXLs. Not boasting, hoepfully not foolish, but just trying to show we don't all have to play the same way. BTW I don't use spreadsheets either...


[16-Dec-24 07:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Truly the most "Frontier" playstyle I've heard of. Neat.


[16-Dec-24 08:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	hey nice @Wildgardener. I can't live without my main warehouse in MOR. Right now I have 46k tons there in several different materials that I have buffers on.


[16-Dec-24 08:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	I use warehouses for Input/Output logistics in all planets. I enjoy bigger warehouses since it lets me avoid building more STOs :)


[16-Dec-24 08:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	Sometimes 2-3 permits are the way to go too, I have two 3-permit bases, one 2-permit bases and all else is 1 permit.


[16-Dec-24 08:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	I seem to either do 1 or 3.


[16-Dec-24 08:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	my 2-permit base is a HER base... to supply my daily consumption I needed two permits :)


[16-Dec-24 08:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	thinking on tearing it down as soon as HER market becomes more reliable.


[16-Dec-24 08:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Ahhh. Yeah, I just spun off a secondary operation for HER alone near where I process it, then supplement with my big 3 permit that is mostly ORCs.


[16-Dec-24 08:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	So people are still  playing with 3 permit bases! I've heard so many people recently saying it's a waste of resources I was beginning to wonder if they still existed.


[16-Dec-24 08:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	It almost certainly is if you're trying to maximize for production and profit.


[16-Dec-24 08:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	I just don't have the fleet or the desire to manage 2 dispersed planets in many cases.


[16-Dec-24 08:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	@Wildgardener it's just perspective. If a person only cares about maximizing ROI, 1 permit bases are the way to go.


[16-Dec-24 08:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	to me, ROI isn't the main factor (or else I wouldnt be making IDC)


[16-Dec-24 08:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	logistics is way more important to me, as a semi-new player. then, 3 permit bases become very attractive.


[16-Dec-24 08:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Honestly I'm looking at making a few IDC bases in the not-too-distant future for exactly that reason.


[16-Dec-24 08:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Haven't got the buildout funds, but one in each market seems like a pretty low-effort way to largely ignore the FX market day to day.


[16-Dec-24 08:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	I don't  actually sell much. I like just making things and hoarding them...


[16-Dec-24 08:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Hah. We'll know you've reached your win condition when things start mysteriously becoming black holes.


[16-Dec-24 08:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	After 1000+ days there's not much left to do. Is there such a thing as a win condition?


[16-Dec-24 08:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	1000+ days man, thats really nice... yeah the game lacks a bit on endgame objectives right now (maybe thats why the gateways are being developed right now)


[16-Dec-24 08:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	our corp has a bigger objective, lets say an endgame one, to colonize the RIM and make it functional for new habitants.


[16-Dec-24 08:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Roh**:	Lots of subjective "win" conditions... Nothing objective... Maybe if you get a badge for concurrent playtime of 1000+ days, that would be something. Other than the LEADs, there's nothing to really grasp at.


[16-Dec-24 08:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	Where counts as the RIM?


[16-Dec-24 08:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	I'd like  a badge...


[16-Dec-24 08:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	RIM is everywhere my corp decides RIM is. I never could get that answer as an objective answer hahahahaha


[16-Dec-24 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	the jewel of the RIM is Saladin, the most fertile planet.


[16-Dec-24 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	From Saladin to MOR, on factionless space, thats RIM.


[16-Dec-24 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	Gateways will probably make RIM more relevant. Lets see.


[16-Dec-24 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	some people call it Outer Rim... its funny.


[16-Dec-24 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	more fertile than Pyrgos?


[16-Dec-24 10:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	Yes: 1. Saladin (PG-899b) 112.18 % fertility. (.2. Promitor.) 3. Pyrgos (CH-771a) 111.98 %


[16-Dec-24 11:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	Not a huge difference. Maybe I'm just biased?


[16-Dec-24 12:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	No no, its all good. Its not a big difference.


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[17-Dec-24 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	Ok, got +2 warehouse levels for us. This will enable +1 rented unit for everyone. Thanks Pomme for the donations too o7


[17-Dec-24 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Much appreciated.


[17-Dec-24 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Ravick**:	Very nice - thanks!


[17-Dec-24 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Djonni**:	Woo! Thanks to you both!


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**Djonni**:	Heh, SI.AI1 has gone a bit wacky too


[18-Dec-24 05:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Squidbelt**:	SI is going sicko mode. This is the official statement from the Adeptus Mechanicus. :)


[18-Dec-24 09:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Djonni**:	O.AI1 ceiling broken too


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**Frentic**:	Hi, citizens of Deimos, would like to ask your support for Parliament here in Deimos. I'm always active and helping out. o7


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[19-Dec-24 05:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Djonni**:	Empty ship (500/500) heading to ANT in an hour or two, can take cheap shipping, let me know


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[20-Dec-24 05:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Farseer**:	What's going on with Solar Cells(SOL)? I can't find them on any exchange. Am I missing something?


[20-Dec-24 05:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**FUC_Prozer**:	gateways planning no 6


[20-Dec-24 05:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**FUC_Prozer**:	? *


[20-Dec-24 07:43 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	What did you need a SOL for? DCH or SP?


[20-Dec-24 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**TRUEnterprises**:	The problem is that SOL costs 1,187 in material costs alone at current market prices - not to mention depreciation, logistics costs, and a healthy profit to make it worthwhile


[20-Dec-24 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**TRUEnterprises**:	The highest SOL bid of quantity is 1000


[20-Dec-24 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	Generally anyone who makes SOL is going to promptly turn them right into SP


[20-Dec-24 05:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**EvoV**:	^ That's what I do. But.... if the price is right, I'll make anything for anyone.


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**Pxlfox**:	who's buying stuff on the LM on Deimos in CIS? O.o


[21-Dec-24 03:04 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	well, nethermind. Those prices are ridiculous. Maybe some internal trading


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**Farseer**:	@Wildgardener For DCH


[22-Dec-24 03:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Farseer**:	I just wish to produce drones :)


[22-Dec-24 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Djonni**:	I'd suggest getting in touch with someone like @evov or one of the SOL production leaders to negotiate a supply, if you don't want to make it yourself


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[23-Dec-24 10:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Squidbelt**:	Damn, FLX.AI1 still crazy overpriced.


[23-Dec-24 11:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	Its going to be like that for a while, unfortunately


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**Squidbelt**:	Sad, but true.


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[26-Dec-24 02:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**prophetar**:	Hey guys. I produce about 700 FLX each week atm. Will sell it for 225 AIC per unit. Contact me for private contracts. Will sell only 200 per person. Will increase my prodcution to 4.000 FLX weekly from now!


[26-Dec-24 03:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**prophetar**:	Will go down with the prices to 175 from next week on.


[26-Dec-24 05:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Cuendilar**:	do you produce on Deimos? isnt CHP Chemistry cogc?


[26-Dec-24 06:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**prophetar**:	No, I do not produce the FLX here. I will ship it to Deimos.


[26-Dec-24 06:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**prophetar**:	Yes, CHP benefits from the Chemistry CoGC-programm


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**Cuendilar**:	Well, count me in for one of those 200/week FLX's :)


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**prophetar**:	Contract is out, @Cuendilar


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**Salvor_Destris**:	@prophetar You got any over for a contract? :)


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**prophetar**:	Contract is out, @Salvor_Destris


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**Squidbelt**:	Could also use a contract for 100 FLX if any producers out there want to hit me up. :)


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**Salvor_Destris**:	Appreciate the help btw @prophetar, warms my heart that people like you exist when insitor bastards tries to squeeze us.


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**prophetar**:	Contract is out, @Squidbelt


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**Squidbelt**:	Bless you, @prophetar.


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**prophetar**:	ATM, I can give out 10 contracts with 200 FLX on a weekly basis. 5 are already taken atm. Price is at 200 AIC for 1 FLX.


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**Laaxus**:	Anybody could sell me a few hundred AL @ Deimos ASK price ?  I put a few LM ad


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**Cuendilar**:	i can sell you 200 for 710 PPU, if you want.


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**Galadene**:	We are producer of O2s and ALOs, contact me if you need!


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**Aromis**:	Hi :)


[03-Jan-25 06:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aromis**:	Any tips for a new alu smelter ? :)


[03-Jan-25 06:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Use luxury consumables when you get the money to be able to, and use flux. =)


[03-Jan-25 06:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aromis**:	Great thx!  What do flux do?


[03-Jan-25 06:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	It's a more profitable recipe, you get an extra unit of aluminum for the price of a unit of flux.


[03-Jan-25 06:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aromis**:	Improves smelted amount, i see :)


[03-Jan-25 06:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aromis**:	I'll look into aquiring some then ^^ WHen i have the cash .. ^^


[03-Jan-25 06:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	It's slow going at first, but you'll get there.


[03-Jan-25 06:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aromis**:	So far it's very fun ^^


[03-Jan-25 06:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	It's got a certain charm to it, but it requires patience that a lot of people haven't got. Anyway, I'm going to bed for a bit, but if you've got questions the help channel should get them answered for you if nobody's talking here. Have a good one, and good luck!


[03-Jan-25 06:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	for just starting off, you can extract ALO here to reduce shipping load and then later on replace the EXTs with SMEs


[03-Jan-25 06:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	or with other things


[03-Jan-25 06:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	if you're using browser, there's a couple tools that are really quite useful, https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/refined-prun/coabeheneafgglpakallmkienlidgaof and a smaller impact, https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/fio-client/honhnhpbngledkpkocmeihfgkfmocmkh

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Refined PrUn - Chrome Web Store
Browser extension that simplifies the Prosperous Universe interface and adds useful features
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https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/fio-client/honhnhpbngledkpkocmeihfgkfmocmkh
FIO Client - Chrome Web Store
Client for the FIO REST database
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/50eBQGDpSWa7W1eYS3zfMYsTR9a0lcL2AN0TQakQjqY/https/lh3.googleusercontent.com/F4hC80Ef9CjBImyU9FHdPimd2X5NXlwMWHIeg77QU7wfggdB-caZyFFktmf4wJelZRds9hUB4hrt4vaW4BMdvKKx%3Ds128-rj-sc0x00ffffff


[03-Jan-25 06:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aromis**:	Okej!" do i get materials back from dfemolishing?


[03-Jan-25 06:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	yesnt


[03-Jan-25 06:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	first... i think 24 hrs you get a full refund, after which you get full minus repair costs


[03-Jan-25 06:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	so if you demolish around where you naturally need to repair, you don't lose much


[03-Jan-25 06:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aromis**:	Okey, When is a good time to repair?


[03-Jan-25 06:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	When the building(s) are around 90%


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**SilentReaper**:	THey start to degrade pretty quick after that


[03-Jan-25 06:40 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aromis**:	Oki Thx!


[03-Jan-25 07:26 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aromis**:	Refined prun or pmmg?


[03-Jan-25 07:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	RPrun. PMMG is in maintenance mode


[03-Jan-25 07:28 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Aromis**:	Oki


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**Uncles**:	i made it


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**Uncles**:	is it a good idea to make a FRM and INCs to farm your own carbon for the smelters


[03-Jan-25 11:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Uncles**:	or bad idea


[03-Jan-25 11:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Uncles**:	bc carbon is super expensive from the cx for no reason


[03-Jan-25 11:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Frentic**:	From a pure financial perspective it's not a good idea, it's best if you align with COGC. But every case is unique and might be a good idea depending on your broader plans and current situation.


[03-Jan-25 11:21 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Might be worthwhile to do eventually as other bases, but trying to do everything on Deimos would be pretty inefficient.


[03-Jan-25 11:29 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	Carbon is right about where it needs to be around 700ish


[03-Jan-25 12:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	well. making it *here* is arguably a bad idea


[03-Jan-25 12:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	making it on the right locations may be a better idea


[03-Jan-25 01:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Djonni**:	FLX.AI1 seems to have stabilized a bit, though the ceiling's a bit soft up to ~250/290. If you've been holding out until prices normalize, it's a good time to top up your stocks


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**jvaler**:	Hello yet again Antares! The Antares Development Initiative is here to let all the newbies know about our offer to upgrade your starter 500t/500m^3 ships into WCB 3000t/1000m^3 ships! | Our in-house Project Ship Kit™ has been up and running for some time now and we have ~30 WCB upgrade kits to sell. | They cost ₳1.35mil each, however we also offer financing to help you cover this cost. | This takes the form of a 0% interest 90 day loan, which comes out to just ₳15k/d in cost. | If you're interested, join the ADI server and let us know! https://discord.gg/N6bXSuvbuw


[04-Jan-25 01:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**prophetar**:	Hi guys. Since the prices for FLX dropped, I want to ask you, who still wants the 200 FLX weekly for 175 AIC each? Plz write me a message.


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**jcheung9941**:	175/u is pretty decent


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**jcheung9941**:	if i wasn't making my own, i'd be all over it


[04-Jan-25 07:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Half tempted to spend a bit running the numbers and see what my production and logistics costs are at that price point, tbh


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**Cuendilar**:	175 ppu is still okay with me. Can you make it 220? thats what my weekly demand is. :)


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**prophetar**:	I sent you a contract for 225 FLX, @Cuendilar


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**Laxy**:	anyone willing to part with 26 BEA for 200 SF?


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**jvaler**:	people don't build FRMs on deimos


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**jvaler**:	or at least, they shouldn't...


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**Spermatozoon_Saloon**:	My crops keep growing weird because of the copious heavy metal pollution they've incorporated hmm


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**AltF4_ForBetterLife**:	any antares corp is recruiting ?


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**AltF4_ForBetterLife**:	also need some advice on how to get loan


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**jcheung9941**:	scroll up a little to the message sent by jvaler-ADI also offers 1m grants to new players if your plans look sound


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**Finest_One**:	o/ hello


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**Galadene**:	^^


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**Zipatsu**:	Welcome! \o


[08-Jan-25 11:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	Hi and welcome to Prosperous Universe! I definitely suggest checking out the ADI (Antares Development Initiative) first.


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**Archiel**:	Additionally OOG is always recruiting for the right people, although you might want to get your feet under you a bit first.


[08-Jan-25 11:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	But check our recruiting page to see if OOG is right for you! https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/shareholders/joining/

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https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/shareholders/joining/
Interested in Joining OOG? | OOG Capital Management
Learn more about joining OOG, Antares premier corporation
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**Cuendilar**:	also: https://prunplanner.org That tool is essential. :D

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PRUNplanner
Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets.


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**Anpache**:	It took me over 2 years to start using that tool. Don't be like me.


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**Feia**:	How's it going folks


[10-Jan-25 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	Is harmonia the nearest agricultural hub?


[10-Jan-25 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**TRUEnterprises**:	yes


[10-Jan-25 10:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**TRUEnterprises**:	with food processing next system over in Norwick


[10-Jan-25 10:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	excellent


[10-Jan-25 10:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	do most people have their industry in Antares 1?


[10-Jan-25 10:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**TRUEnterprises**:	manufacturing main hub is Hephaestus


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**TRUEnterprises**:	construction next system to this in Nike


[10-Jan-25 10:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	Gotcha, thanks!


[10-Jan-25 10:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**TRUEnterprises**:	Electronics in Antares 1 Phobos


[10-Jan-25 10:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	Still just getting my resource extraction online.


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**TRUEnterprises**:	yup, this game is a slow burn


[10-Jan-25 11:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**TRUEnterprises**:	no need to rush


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**Feia**:	is there a limestone source anywhere nearby?


[10-Jan-25 11:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**TRUEnterprises**:	Nike


[10-Jan-25 11:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	Dope, thanks


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**jvaler**:	antares for life... ZV-896c


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**jvaler**:	ehehe


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**Kalinda**:	just posted a bunch of sell ads, clearing out a base


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**TRUEnterprises**:	SIO up for sale on LM


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**Tanda**:	yoink


[11-Jan-25 12:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TRUEnterprises**:	lol


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**Djonni**:	When I was a boy, a man could get a COF.AI1 for 700 AIC, I tells ya.


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**Tanda**:	DW.AI1 is the culprit


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**jcheung9941**:	short notice, half wcb open for shipping coming from ANT


[11-Jan-25 01:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	will have almost the whole thing open for haul to ANT or Nike


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**Feia**:	Just need 5 but I'll overpay


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**Spermatozoon_Saloon**:	@Djonni I've got a massive coffee plant opening soon. Should be dropping entire shiploads of COF into the market in approx 1 - 1.5 weeks


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**Dannyc**:	can i buy BSE or do i have to make it


[12-Jan-25 11:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	You can buy BSE at the local CX (ANT)


[12-Jan-25 11:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dannyc**:	ok thank you


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**Spermatozoon_Saloon**:	Does anyone have any spare SIO on Deimos? I managed to forget to bring some. There's a LM ad up


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**Spermatozoon_Saloon**:	Absolute legend, thanks TR


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**TRUEnterprises**:	o7


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**Djonni**:	@Spermatozoon_Saloon I see you dumped a load on ANT, nice work :)


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**jcheung9941**:	do i want to know what the load was?


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**jcheung9941**:	was it brown?


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**TRUEnterprises**:	the hint is in the first half of the first name


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**jcheung9941**:	tozoon? what's that?


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**Cuendilar**:	COF.... it was COF. not cough, COF... :D


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**Spermatozoon_Saloon**:	Takes me a while to get ready for round 2 but I'll get there


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**Spermatozoon_Saloon**:	A refractory period measured in business days...


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**Laxy**:	When are they introducing coca to the game? I wanna roleplay Escobar


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**Djonni**:	*COF* *COF*


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**Vorpalus**:	hello


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**Djonni**:	Howdy, new arrivals


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**Laxy**:	Ello guvnas


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**Tanda**:	Hello!


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**Vorpalus**:	Hello


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**prophetar**:	Hey guys. Got 500 FLX left for 150 AIC each. Text me, if interrested.


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**Dyeus_Phter**:	Welcome Vorpalus and other fresh faces


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[21-Jan-25 01:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**BooKliko**:	Departing for ANT in max 3 hr from this post. Have 2725t/665m3 room available for 5 AIC/t or 2AIC/m3. Arrival in 10 h from now.


[21-Jan-25 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Dyeus_Phter**:	Sent :)


[21-Jan-25 01:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**BooKliko**:	@Dyeus_Phter, I am departing Deimos to ANT. Your contracts are the other way around... Can still do those, but with an 24h delay.


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**Dyeus_Phter**:	Oops, sorry @BooKliko I hadn't had my morning COF yet. The delay is just fine if you're able to do them, otherwise feel free to terminate


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**BooKliko**:	No worries Dyeus, they will be delivered :)


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**Dyeus_Phter**:	<3


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**Avenue**:	is there anyway to upgrade a ship's storage capacity?


[22-Jan-25 11:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Avenue**:	i got too much ore and not much space to get them out lol


[22-Jan-25 11:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**eminence32**:	yes, there are different types of cargo bays you can install into a ship


[22-Jan-25 11:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**eminence32**:	you can see them if you open the BLU buffer (blueprints), create a new blueprint and look at the different cargobays


[22-Jan-25 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Dyeus_Phter**:	Antares Development Initiative discord offers high tonnage cargo bay upgrade kits loans. Essentially it's all the mats needed to bring a 500t/500m³ starter ship to a 3000t/1000m³ workhorse, divided up into 10(?) payments w/o interest to make the transaction more bite sized @Avenue


[22-Jan-25 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Dyeus_Phter**:	For transparency, I refine the BR and ZR that goes into it. https://discord.gg/yjnN7nxq


[22-Jan-25 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	1.35m over 90 days


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**jcheung9941**:	interest free


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**Avenue**:	ill think abt it once i get my vulcan base good @Dyeus_Phter


[24-Jan-25 02:25 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	I remember getting this deal from the previous governor of Deimos, back when I first started. The WBC upgrade on both my starting ships was a game-changer and I still think of him fondly because of it.


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**Cuendilar**:	i need to upgrade my ships, i am currently saving AIC for that. Schaitr offers a WCB+LFE upgrade for new players for 670k in unified faction operations discord.


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**Fryux**:	hey i'm new and just lauched my first batch of material, are time shown real time ?


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**BooKliko**:	They are :)


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**jcheung9941**:	@ Cuendilar yes, but 1) they're across the universe 2) ADI's package covers everything that schaitr's doesn't, plus a few QoL upgrades


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**jcheung9941**:	not saying there's anything wrong with their package, i got mine from them half a year ago


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**hartensteinj**:	how do you set ships to auto unload apon arrival


[25-Jan-25 08:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**CptColeslaw**:	you just click the 'unload on arrival' words in the SFC screen when your setting up the flight. It's a PRO feature though


[25-Jan-25 10:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Laxy**:	Weird paywall feature imo


[25-Jan-25 10:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Laxy**:	As a pro member*


[25-Jan-25 10:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Djonni**:	Seems totally reasonable to me that PRO includes a suite of QoL and automation improvements. Stuff you don't need to play and succeed, but which make it less onerous to do so


[25-Jan-25 11:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**eminence32**:	it's a fine line.  you don't want to make the base name too annoying, or else no one will buy it


[25-Jan-25 11:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	it's not like it's even a good QoL feature


[25-Jan-25 11:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	can't change it after departure


[25-Jan-25 11:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Laxy**:	Im not against the model at all, just a few of the perks are a bit strange


[25-Jan-25 11:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	i feel around half of the restrictions are stupid


[25-Jan-25 11:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	makes f2p insanely annoying


[25-Jan-25 11:57 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	HQ limit, local markets? okay. easier CX navigation, ship upgrades? fine. queues, repairing all buildings at the same time? come on...


[25-Jan-25 11:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TRUEnterprises**:	How about no queue adjustments without pro? Seems a bit silly that it makes you cancel and redo just to move some order around


[25-Jan-25 11:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	oh, that's a pro feature? didn't even know, i didn't adjust my queues while free...


[25-Jan-25 11:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TRUEnterprises**:	it is...


[25-Jan-25 11:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	i'm gonna hate my life when i go back to basic....


[25-Jan-25 11:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	plus if they're gonna make adjusting the queue a pro feature, they could at least make it easier to freakin use


[26-Jan-25 12:07 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	Next time my PRO is almost up, I'll rename another planet


[26-Jan-25 12:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	gonna make something up in MOR be named after us?


[26-Jan-25 12:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	unlikely. Maybe I'll name a random planet in need of a name "greg"


[26-Jan-25 12:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	all lower case


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Thanks Tanda; I've never been pro-capital punishment, but today you have convinced me that some people deserve to hang for their crimes.


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**Laxy**:	Whats in a name anyway?


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**jvaler**:	i love greg


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**Odysseus6**:	Does anyone need some flux? I have 100 extra and will sell for 120 AIC PPI


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**SilentReaper**:	Hello Deimos! FIOC is looking to bring on new members to join the group. We operate different than other corps in that we share everything internally. We focus on production in stead of the generation of cash. This allows us to work more as a group, building complimentary bases to maximize outputs. If you're interested in how we do things, come check out our welcome page for more information. https://discord.gg/WNgrAzMdhx


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**davizote0604**:	how i play?


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**eminence32**:	welcome!  oh no, they left :(


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**Pantherus**:	Gibt es einen deutschen Kanal? My english is not so good. Too many abbreviations ;-)


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**Laxy**:	Uhh, guten tag mein freun.


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**Laxy**:	I know like 10 words in german


[30-Jan-25 06:47 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Willger**:	there is no offical german chanel... i use deepl for difficult conversations ;)


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[31-Jan-25 02:57 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	I got it, guys :)


[31-Jan-25 02:58 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	@Pantherus - check den privaten Chat ;)


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**FromAbove63**:	bi everyone. just stated


[01-Feb-25 07:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**FromAbove63**:	anyone here?


[01-Feb-25 07:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**prophetar**:	Hello @FromAbove63


[01-Feb-25 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**CptColeslaw**:	👋


[01-Feb-25 09:16 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dyeus_Phter**:	Welcome aboard


[01-Feb-25 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dyeus_Phter**:	If you're keen on social play there's a variety of popular discords to join. Some older players even help you build out a base if you can supply some goods they need


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**Dyeus_Phter**:	Does anyone have spare AL? I've put up a couple of LM ads for AI1 ask price that I'm in desperate need of if anyones able


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[02-Feb-25 07:44 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dyeus_Phter**:	Ty Vox and Aromis


[02-Feb-25 07:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Zipatsu**:	\o


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**martinc1194**:	For some reason, governor didn't fill Cogc.


[03-Feb-25 05:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**martinc1194**:	My ship is on the way in 3hrs.


[03-Feb-25 05:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**martinc1194**:	Hope I can fill it before due. :3


[03-Feb-25 06:12 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	I'll start carrying MCG here. I could fill the whole thing except for that


[03-Feb-25 06:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	Want to level up fast? 🚀 The Antares Development Initiative (ADI) is giving new players a 1,000,000 AIC grant (free money, no strings attached) to help you take your business to the next level! If you’re looking for advice or just want to chat, feel free to join our Discord community.   https://discord.gg/9eY7mMgf4J


[03-Feb-25 07:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	I've filled MCG


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**martinc1194**:	Thank you for that


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**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Sorry for not filling the COGC. I'm currently overly-preoccupied irl and won't be running in the next election.


[03-Feb-25 02:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Paris_In_Springtime**:	Many thanks to @martinc1194 for filling the COGC. Reimbursement contract sent  🙏


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**martinc1194**:	!!!


[04-Feb-25 07:17 AM] ApexChat#8127
**martinc1194**:	Just noticed you send message in here.


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**martinc1194**:	The last Cogc is filled by Wildgardener


[04-Feb-25 08:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	Only the MCG...


[04-Feb-25 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127
**martinc1194**:	!? Then, who filled the last Cogc before I filled.


[04-Feb-25 09:06 AM] ApexChat#8127
**martinc1194**:	Cuz I am only filled the after the due time. :O


[04-Feb-25 09:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	Maybe Tanda?


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**eminence32**:	this is an annoying propery of a striking COGC -- once it's fulfilled, it immeditally ticks over to the next COGC cycle and removes the contributions for the previous cycle


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**Dyeus_Phter**:	The COGC staff have still got to feed their families


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**Djonni**:	Exactly right. Gotta feed those families with water, rations, gravel and plastics.


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**Dyeus_Phter**:	Sounds like a hearty bowl of space fruitloops to me


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**EyangKodok**:	i need small stock of Lfabs for quick build


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**EyangKodok**:	posted the ads in LM


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**EyangKodok**:	with bit of extra for the trouble


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**Laxy**:	Ello new ones


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**RJ_RayJay**:	Hello there


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**eminence32**:	hi, welcome


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**-butterfly-**:	Ahoy, Deimos


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**Tanda**:	ahoy!


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**ManhimOne**:	hi


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**Feia**:	how's it going tanda


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**Dukes**:	Ahoy, just diggin and shippin


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**Tanda**:	my empire is well insulated


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**Laxy**:	Did you use sprayin foam or was it in sheets?


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**Tanda**:	given the size of the unit I think it's spray cans


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**jcheung9941**:	spray cans? that's incredibly inefficient. you should use commercial spray foam systems instead, the really big bottles


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**Laxy**:	my man out here using flexseal


[09-Feb-25 07:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	to demonstrate the sealing power of flex seal, i sawed this wcb in half!


[09-Feb-25 07:40 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Dyeus_Phter**:	Not only does Flex Tape's powerful adhesive hold the WCB together, but it creates a super-strong, airtight seal, so the inside is completely breathable. Yee doggy!


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**MonsterGator**:	Hi everyone


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**Okawari**:	Hi


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**Zipatsu**:	Welcome! \o


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**MzEvilCanadian**:	Hey, I'm producing AL and selling, so if anyone needs some msg me


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**Feia**:	Promitor to Deimos is a cool base transition


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**Feia**:	I don't envy your supply lines.


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**MzEvilCanadian**:	Yeah I got a 1 mil grant to ut a base in ANT space


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**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	It's fiiiiine.


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**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Deimos is like a day and change away from Prom.


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**MzEvilCanadian**:	cloer to 2 days and change lol


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**eminence32**:	buying up to 600 RATs on the LM, if anyone has some to spare


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**prophetar**:	I sent you a contract for some RAT


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**Laxy**:	Anybody got one BTA for sale?


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**eminence32**:	thanks all!


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**xflqr_**:	hey all! The Deimos-Nike co-op in AA is looking for bases on deimos, we make BBH and BSE in a group effort, and we're looking for people willing to dedicate a full base to the project. You'll get paid in BBH and BSE at the end of the week. If interested, send me a msg :)


[17-Feb-25 04:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**xflqr_**:	loans and grants etc available!


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**TcEnterprize**:	hey any one got a spare 2 bse a little short post is on local market


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**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	There you go.


[18-Feb-25 03:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TcEnterprize**:	Thank you!


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**Unrendered2**:	hallo


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**ManhimOne**:	hello


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**Zipatsu**:	Welcome! \o


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**Cuendilar**:	Lo


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**Cuendilar**:	aparently i'm a time traveler.


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**TcEnterprize**:	i come once again asking for help :-: i put up a LM offer for 5 MCG if anyone can spare


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**TcEnterprize**:	Forever Greatful!


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**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	No problem.


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**psychophyr**:	Hello all


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**TRUEnterprises**:	hello


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**Mr.Randingo**:	o.o


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**Zipatsu**:	Welcome! \o


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**Frentic**:	Welcome o/


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**ManhimOne**:	Welcome \o


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**ihelp**:	go a ship heading to BEN 2kt/2km free


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**Hal98**:	got two 500 ALO ads up for 100/u


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**Dyeus_Phter**:	Happily take that off your hands


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**Dyeus_Phter**:	More too, if you're liquidating


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**TcEnterprize**:	quick drop leaving ANT to Deimos in 2hrs with 400t 400m free space if anyone needs anything shipped


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**TcEnterprize**:	1k per 100t/m


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**TcEnterprize**:	Heading out


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**Laxy**:	Hey Deimos, just checking in.


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**Ravick**:	Still here


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**EyangKodok**:	yes


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**Laxy**:	Glad to hear it!


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**Tanda**:	Yep, I also still exist


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**ManhimOne**:	Nice


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**Laxy**:	I exist in ways i cant prove


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**igfloz**:	Existence is futile ! - no, wait ! I got that wrong I think ?


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**skif**:	depends


[01-Mar-25 03:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Wildgardener**:	Finally built a HCB to upgrade one of my ships! Still got to make a CQL before it's up and flying - my last big project...


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**Laxy**:	Gratz!


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**Laxy**:	If a cat opens a box and Schrodinger is inside, what happens?


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**MontysShadow**:	String theory gets knotted up


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**Laxy**:	Dang


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**ScooshMaster**:	I'm back, but I have forgotten my standard shipping prices lol


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**ScooshMaster**:	I'll just guess and hope it's the same


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**Laxy**:	Whats the worst that could happen?


[04-Mar-25 02:08 PM] ApexChat#8127
**ScooshMaster**:	well people seem to like these ones so I'll try to keep em


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**Laxy**:	So when can i start invading my neighbors 🤣


[04-Mar-25 09:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Laxy**:	Let me start funding rebel factions


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**ScooshMaster**:	War update when? 🤣


[05-Mar-25 09:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**CptColeslaw**:	no thank you


[05-Mar-25 10:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**eminence32**:	some of us left EVE to get away from warp gate pirates and found comfort in the absolute peacefulness of this prosperous universe


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**jcheung9941**:	gateways coming soon to thea, uh, planets near you


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**Laxy**:	I was joking of course. I love prun


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**Katinga**:	It's all fun and games until Goonswarm shows up


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**LivewareProblem**:	ex-INIT here. o7


[05-Mar-25 03:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LivewareProblem**:	I was in Dreddit once upon a time too. When they were in the Testegram.


[05-Mar-25 03:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LivewareProblem**:	Went to Eve con in Vegas. Hung out with Brisc and Hegemaker. Took Hegemaker boot shopping.


[05-Mar-25 03:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LivewareProblem**:	Err Hegeman Maken


[05-Mar-25 04:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hal98**:	there is a EVE con o.O


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**Hal98**:	the more I learn about Eve the more idk about it


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**ManhimOne**:	Dunno if Eve Vegas was recurring, but they do a yearly convention in Iceland.


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**LivewareProblem**:	Yeah, one of the night of the con was at Drais night club. I think I danced with everyone's wife.


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**Laxy**:	Eve after dark


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**Laxy**:	When should i repair fleet


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**Laxy**:	I imagine the decay rate is a curve and not linear


[05-Mar-25 05:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	Generally 80%. At that point it starts affecting speed and fuel economy


[05-Mar-25 08:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Laxy**:	Ty 🙏


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**LargeFoot**:	AL on cx for ask


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**LargeFoot**:	(✿◡‿◡)


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**Hexical**:	Hello everybody


[09-Mar-25 12:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hexical**:	Is there a way to assign a specific production to a building? e.g. 5 smelters for aluminum and 2 for iron?


[09-Mar-25 12:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**eminence32**:	no.  the only way to balance like that is by having 5 orders for AL and 2 orders for FE


[09-Mar-25 12:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**eminence32**:	(or whatever numbers you want)


[09-Mar-25 12:04 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hexical**:	And it wouldn't mess up the orders if materials were missing?


[09-Mar-25 12:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**eminence32**:	yes, but you should try to never have input materials missing


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**king_of_salmons**:	does the satisfaction of the workers effect the effciency of the production?


[09-Mar-25 03:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	yes


[09-Mar-25 03:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**king_of_salmons**:	ok ty


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[10-Mar-25 09:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**SilentReaper**:	Hello Deimos! FIOC is looking to bring on new members to join the group. We operate different than other corps in that we share everything internally. We focus on production in stead of the generation of cash. This allows us to work more as a group, building complimentary bases to maximize outputs. If you're interested in how we do things, come check out our welcome page for more information. https://discord.gg/WNgrAzMdhx


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**jim01q**:	"we share everything" stopped reading right there


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**LargeFoot**:	Average capitalism enjoyer


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**Laxy**:	Do you share more intimate things?


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**Tanda**:	*whispering* I hear they even share planets


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**eminence32**:	*gasp*


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**Pxlfox**:	Next you will tell me they don't use money...


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**Laxy**:	Only love and trust


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**ScooshMaster**:	Sounds truly terrifying


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[14-Mar-25 05:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**EvoV**:	It would be interesting to see what sort of player produces more. One that is part of a communistic collective who's focus is production. Or one that plays solo who's focus is profit + supply + demand.


[14-Mar-25 05:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**EvoV**:	I suspect that whichever system has the least rules / restrictions applied to it's operations, will out-perform the other.


[14-Mar-25 06:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Laxy**:	Moderation in all things. The middle road will always win.


[14-Mar-25 07:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	IDK evo i dont think traditional market forces really apply to a game where nobody has anything to gain apart from brownie points


[14-Mar-25 07:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	i think that comparison is unfair


[14-Mar-25 07:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	as you set no restriction on the size of the collective


[14-Mar-25 07:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	so the "collective" could be 50 people vs 1 person


[14-Mar-25 07:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	there's also no limitations on how organized the collective is


[14-Mar-25 07:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	on the low end, they could be so ineffective that nearly nothing is ever produced, all buildings are 180+d without repair


[14-Mar-25 07:36 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	on the extreme high end, could have 1000 bases (50 people * 20) and producing... i don't know, what's being used as the measuring stick?


[14-Mar-25 07:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	ships?


[14-Mar-25 07:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TuffyLess**:	I was happy in FIOC at the start my PU experience, until my empire evolved into becoming independent of their communistic support.


[14-Mar-25 07:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TuffyLess**:	I left FIOC because I wanted to stop providing my production to others whom werent interested in growing their HQ counts to keep steady.  More take than give.


[14-Mar-25 07:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TuffyLess**:	I then wanted to become independent of my communistic-obligations and so I left FIOC and so far-so good. :)


[14-Mar-25 07:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TuffyLess**:	IMO, FIOC is good for soft-landing of new players and for casual players whom dont want stressed.


[14-Mar-25 07:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	did they give you any sort of support to get standing on your own?


[14-Mar-25 07:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TuffyLess**:	Consumables primarily.  Inputs to make Outputs, if the Outputs were expected by another FIOC member [to process into whatever].  Take the inputs, make the output, give the output when called to.


[14-Mar-25 07:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TuffyLess**:	HQ upgrade mats (FAB's etc) only when the benefit was of benefit to FIOC (or someone's, i dunno).  Seemed kinda arbitrary IMO.


[14-Mar-25 07:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TuffyLess**:	As for Ships: Well over a year of service in FIOC and I left with the 2 starter-ships upgraded to WCB  &&  parts for 1 LCB FTL ship provided to me.


[14-Mar-25 07:58 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TuffyLess**:	Im really torn.  Communist -vs- Independence.  Hmm.  I bet FIOC keep peepz from quitting the game earlier than they would if they be left on their own.  On the other hand, if a player-style is more than that of a casual FIOC player [therefore more productive with their time/strategy/planning], then they'll outgrow the FIOC collective dependence soon enough and have to find a way to exit FIOC while keeping a good rep w/ FIOC + Community.  While also ensuring that they able keep themselves stocked w/ Consumables + the Input's that FIOC were giving.


[14-Mar-25 08:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	i meant more when you went off on your way, did you just have what was in your bases, or did they properly set you up to go off on your own?


[14-Mar-25 08:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TuffyLess**:	The former.  I was the one who cut the cord.  When I went my own way, I had what I had in the various bases.  It was cold-turkey.  Some of my bases starved while some were ok.  I had to figure it out.


[14-Mar-25 08:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TuffyLess**:	It was during some internal-FIOC drama at the time.  4 of us left together.  Im the only survivor today :(


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[14-Mar-25 08:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TuffyLess**:	to be fair and to your point: I [we] left FIOC to their abrupt surprise.  So had it went down differently where my (our) departure hadnt been a surprise to FIOC ... I dunno if they would have set me [us] up for successful independence.?.  I would hope that they though; perhaps even work with that former-member to establish their regular first-trade agreement to help cement their independence, as a warm-handoff.


[14-Mar-25 09:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hal98**:	I would say coops like CAAP in AA do quite well espically if that happens at the lower level of a player's life mostly because you don't have to allocate 20 permits to making one thing but can get 20 permits worth a bases accross a lot of people


[14-Mar-25 09:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hal98**:	so ultiamtely it depends on what is being made maybe?


[14-Mar-25 09:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	well, coops like CAAP aren't full sharing like FIOC-CAAP splits the end product proportionally to the effort


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**Laxy**:	I think the two lowest preforming corp members should battle it out for leadership each month. We  can call it a Failopoly


[15-Mar-25 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Laxy**:	Failing upwords is the goal.


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**IntelligenceSystems**:	is there a way to buy carbon?


[16-Mar-25 04:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**IntelligenceSystems**:	im new


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[16-Mar-25 09:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MzEvilCanadian**:	at the local CX


[16-Mar-25 12:28 PM] ApexChat#8127
**ScooshMaster**:	two options, like MzEvilCanadian said the nearest Commodity Exchange (yellow hexagon on the map) or, if you have the cash to get pro, you can try and strike a deal with someone on the community discords.


[16-Mar-25 12:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**ScooshMaster**:	For any cargo haulers, my shipment to ANT is gonna be ready to auto-provision in 5 hours.


[16-Mar-25 12:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hal98**:	you can access the commodity exchange (CX) by typing CX AI1


[16-Mar-25 01:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hal98**:	into a buffer


[16-Mar-25 01:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hal98**:	then you can find carbon there under elements in the drop down menu


[16-Mar-25 02:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**MzEvilCanadian**:	I got about an extra 150 ALO, anyone want it?


[16-Mar-25 03:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Hal98**:	chuck it up on the LM?


[16-Mar-25 05:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	Evening folks, a quick governance update... I'll shortly be submitting a motion to increase taxes as unfortunately the current income is quite far off covering the cost of providing upkeep goods. I'm going to explore what options there may be to upgrade pop infra to make things more efficient, but an increase is a bit unavoidable. For awareness, the income per week is approximately 600k, whereas the calculated cost of upkeep is approximately 1,100k based upon average CX prices.


[16-Mar-25 05:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	so about a doubling of taxes?


[16-Mar-25 05:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	go for it, taxes currently are a rounding error


[16-Mar-25 05:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	It won't double. I'm going to make a more modest initial adjustment, and see if I can sort out some reductions in costs.


[16-Mar-25 05:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	smh there goes the government, raising taxes on the hardworking intergalactic corporation


[16-Mar-25 05:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	UTS, for example, has increased a lot in cost, there's a lack of production. So I've built a base to increase the general supply.


[16-Mar-25 05:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	So I think there's some artifical inflation in the CX averages for a few of the goods.


[16-Mar-25 05:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	feia, it currently costs me 6 AIC in taxes to make 4 units of AL. it costs me more than that to move it back to ANT


[16-Mar-25 05:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	I think the true run costs may be closer to 800-900k


[16-Mar-25 05:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	this is why i voted for bush smh


[16-Mar-25 05:53 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	i kinda saw this coming when rise said he was leaving


[16-Mar-25 05:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	i'm expecting a lot of taxes to go up across ANT, as well as prices of gov consumables


[16-Mar-25 05:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	I think realistically he was supplying a lot of planets using very vertically integrated production. We've lost that production, so until the supply increases... the costs will likely go up, particularly in more niche goods for larger planets.


[16-Mar-25 05:54 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	yes


[16-Mar-25 05:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	his internal pricing was....


[16-Mar-25 05:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	very low


[16-Mar-25 05:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	I'd rather pin things to the CX, and provide more transparency on the demand, and create more of a market for those goods via the CX... creating opportunities for anyone to contribute.


[16-Mar-25 06:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	imo tax income should be higher than consumables. need some way to pay for infrastructure upgrades, and once upgrades are completely done, taxes can be redirected to other planets in the local area for development


[16-Mar-25 06:01 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	trying to match consumption exactly or undershooting is just shooting yourself in the foot, imo


[16-Mar-25 06:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	tbf how much development does zv-759c need at this point?


[16-Mar-25 06:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	Aren't we constantly maxed out on plots?


[16-Mar-25 06:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	upkeep costs for the planets are based on the population, not on number of plots


[16-Mar-25 06:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	well but cheun wasn't talking about upkeep tanda, they were talking about infrastructure upgrades.


[16-Mar-25 06:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	just get us to a point where we can subsist, then redirect focus to planets like vulcan


[16-Mar-25 06:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	we aren't even at a point where we can subsist


[16-Mar-25 06:12 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	so people like yourself who are against tax increases would starve the planet, and also allow for no ability to react to changing market conditions


[16-Mar-25 06:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	cheun, relax, i was making a joke earlier


[16-Mar-25 06:13 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	the crux of what i'm saying is that rather than focusing on funding growth on a planet with no plots available, we should focus exclusively on getting taxes to a point where we can subsist.


[16-Mar-25 06:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	makes no sense to be discussing infrastructure upgrades that benefit no one


[16-Mar-25 06:14 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	if you have a healthy margin over costs, then after a while you have a stockpile of cash that does nothing. you can either enrich the gov with that, or spend it on infrastructure upgrades


[16-Mar-25 06:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	development of planets upstream or downstream in the production chain only benefits deimos


[16-Mar-25 06:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	Rather than sitting on a pile of cash that's doing nothing, why not focus on creating self-sustaining tax plans on planets that actually have room for growth?


[16-Mar-25 06:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	like vulcan or Agamemnon


[16-Mar-25 06:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	if you overtax deimos and funnel money to support growth on vulcan, you're basically using our tax money to fund our direct market competition.


[16-Mar-25 06:19 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	competition? That's an...odd way of talking about a planet you can put a base on as well as Deimos


[16-Mar-25 06:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	are you saying that metallurgy planets primarily producing aluminum aren't directly competing with each other?


[16-Mar-25 06:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	I thought the whole point of investing in planet infrastructure was to attract new players


[16-Mar-25 06:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	vulcan shouldn't be really producing AL


[16-Mar-25 06:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	no, population infrastructure isn't to just attract new players. it's to support more players, more higher end goods, and to offer more options to planetary upkeep


[16-Mar-25 08:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Finest_One**:	I would reccomend MHP in the Art Gallery competitive pricing for where UTS, Also Finishing ARt Cafe Upgrade (DEC expensive and already submitted) and filling the DW is quite cost efficient  is right now.


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[17-Mar-25 03:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	If you start feeding MHP into the Art Gallery that increases the daily costs by almost 50k, and results in culture being capped by comfort.


[17-Mar-25 03:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	And to address an earlier point there may still occasionally be a need for funds to complete upgrades where the distribution of population changes. e.g. increased demand for eng/tech can drive upgrade requirements if you're to keep ongoing upkeep lower.


[17-Mar-25 03:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	So it's somewhat prudent to. have a modest buffer for that purpose, even if excluding the possibility of cross funding pop upgrades on other planets.


[17-Mar-25 07:14 AM] ApexChat#8127
**CptColeslaw**:	yeah population needs don't get capped when the planet fills up. Needs are calculated by total workforce, so if more bases are build by new players, going over the plot max, then POPI needs will also still increase to maintain that workforce. And like Akyan said, shifts in those workforces affect needs too. A lot can change, and planets this big get expensive


[17-Mar-25 07:24 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	For now the plan is to make some changes to the tax rates, and see what effect it has.. will have to tune them a few times I suspect (potentially up and down) to get the right balance.


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**ScooshMaster**:	Next shipment will be ready in to auto provision in 2 hours


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**LargeFoot**:	1.5k shipping capacity free to go to antares station!


[18-Mar-25 08:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	Feel free to post up shipping contracts :)


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**ScooshMaster**:	It seems like other companies, more rich ones, have figured out that lithium is the mathematically most profitable use of smelters around here, and have bought out the local lithium supply. As Scoosh Industries switches to the second best option, expect a change in our shipment sizes/payouts. Thank you for your hard work. We will trust that this is not twitter and therefore this message will be interpreted without a malicious/sarcastic tone. This has been your fyi, lmao.


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**Dyeus_Phter**:	Pizza party WHEN Scoosh?!


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**ScooshMaster**:	On national pizza party day of course!


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**LivewareProblem**:	I have 470 tons of storage space ANT > Deimos. Anyone want me to grab a shipment?


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**LivewareProblem**:	Party bus is taking off


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**Tanda**:	oh no! I meant to ship these air horns over on the party bus


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**Tanda**:	darn it, now I'll have to make sure there's another party bus


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**R3DACTED**:	What exactly does "Current workforce 200 (0)" mean?


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**R3DACTED**:	I can have 200 but have zero?


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**eminence32**:	https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/index.html#my-workforce-says-something-like-180-40-what-does-the-number-in-brackets-mean

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**R3DACTED**:	Thx, im trying to figure out why my extractor is "halted". Just started the game and build the 2 Habitats, extractor and smelter


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**eminence32**:	do your workers have all the "Essential" consumables?  (Drinking Water and Basic Rations)


[20-Mar-25 04:25 PM] ApexChat#8127
**R3DACTED**:	Thats what it was, no water!


[20-Mar-25 04:26 PM] ApexChat#8127
**R3DACTED**:	Thanks!


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**jcheung9941**:	pretty sure it still runs without DW, just really really really slowly


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**Desideration**:	Yeah undead workers are much slower unfortunately, gotta keep them breathing to keep to timetables


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**Sansemin**:	Anyone on Deimos looking to join a BBH/BSE project? We need a dedicated SME base


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**Feia**:	I'm happy to sell AL at a discount if you're trying to bring down BBH/BSE prices in the CX. I'm smelting ALO here and on vulcan, sourced from Nascent.


[21-Mar-25 02:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Feia**:	If you're in the ADI discord, send me a message.


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**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Looking for someone to pick up a share in the DNPC, actually.


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**tarrant33**:	Newb looking for Corp [started wit mining]


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**SilentReaper**:	Hello Deimos! FIOC is looking to bring on new members to join the group. We operate different than other corps in that we share everything internally. We focus on production in stead of the generation of cash. This allows us to work more as a group, building complimentary bases to maximize outputs. If you're interested in how we do things, come check out our welcome page for more information. https://discord.gg/WNgrAzMdhx


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**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Any new folks enjoying the game enough to have picked up a pro license and looking to work with a cooperative? The DNPC produces BBH & BSE with cuts every week and offers development funding.


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**ScooshMaster**:	Quick update, shipments are being adjusted again, now with international shipments.


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**WhiteFox_848**:	How do I get more workers? Thanks in advise.


[31-Mar-25 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**eminence32**:	first, make sure you have enough capacity.  if not, you need to build more habitation buildings


[31-Mar-25 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127
**eminence32**:	if you have enough capacity, then you have to check if the planet itself has available workers


[31-Mar-25 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**eminence32**:	if so, then you just have to wait until the next population report (which happens every week)


[31-Mar-25 09:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	You can check the last report with the POPR command, which gives you an estimate of when the next one will be (every 7 days)


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**WhiteFox_848**:	Thanks


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**Z3R0009**:	hi


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**WhiteFox_848**:	Hi


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**Pxlfox**:	Ready to accelerate your growth? 🚀 The Antares Development Initiative (ADI) is the **best place in the galaxy** to level up your business! We’re offering a **1,000,000 AIC grant** to new players – no catches, just free funds to help you soar. Plus, enjoy **internal prices** on select goods to give you that extra advantage. Whether you’re seeking expert advice or just want to connect, our vibrant Discord community is here for you. Join us today: https://discord.gg/9eY7mMgf4J


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**DarkThunder312**:	how do i get dudes, i built a house for pioneers and now im trying to make water but it says i have no people


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**Pxlfox**:	If you have enough housing capacity, it will try to fill the population from the available amount of unemployed ones of the planet


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**Pxlfox**:	if there aren't enough, you'll get more every POPR, which is every 7 day


[04-Apr-25 05:11 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	With the command POPR ZV-759c you can check the last population report (POPR) of Deimos


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**EvoV**:	ATTN Gov - If you're not careful there'll be an Engineer Pop drop.


[13-Apr-25 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	@Akyan, if taxes are still not supporting the planet, please increase taxes further on higher pops


[13-Apr-25 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	Hi folks,


[13-Apr-25 01:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	I'm taking a few actions following a review this weekend. The four actions are as follows:


[13-Apr-25 01:20 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	- I've submitted a motion to run a festivals programme to stabilise the population attrition, particularly for ENG.


[13-Apr-25 01:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	- Shipped the first of what will likely be a series of POPI upgrades, starting with upgrading the ART to increase culture production that'll uncap the education.


[13-Apr-25 01:21 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	- Increasing the taxes again to try and get them closer to funding the upkeep and try to build some funds for pop upgrades.


[13-Apr-25 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	Finally I'm considering creating a planetary governance tracker, as I once did for Hyalos to provide a bit more transparency. See an example here: https://ingenious.foo/hyalos. Interested in feedback on this idea.


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**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	I'm all for tax revision to be self-sustaining with a built in margin for eventual upgrades.


[13-Apr-25 01:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	I like the tracker as well. The only thing I can think of that I might want to see out of it are the government account income/expense/balance figures and a breakdown of consumption by POPI building, but I also understand that that would more than double the workload for little benefit aside from looking at long term trends down the line.


[13-Apr-25 01:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**xflqr_**:	i'm not against it or anything, but will that really be useful to anyone? governing is pretty straightforward most of the time, you just supply the popi/cogc and pay yourself out, nobody will object to that as long as its going well


[13-Apr-25 01:43 PM] ApexChat#8127
**xflqr_**:	just looks like a lot of extra work for you, while people will just accept it the exact same anyways


[13-Apr-25 01:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Given that it's a starter planet, it might quickly put to bed some of the sorts that think governorship is just a grifting opportunity.


[13-Apr-25 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	Thank you @Akyan for your work! if you need assistant with shipping, let me know :)


[13-Apr-25 02:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	Yeah, it's not a common person to run across, but there are definitely some outspoken people who have never governed and just see it as the governor paying themselves out a bunch of money


[13-Apr-25 02:07 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	I used to see that most on Harmonia


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**aeltheos**:	I am just starting, but a governement budget reports sounds like a good way for beginner like me to understand how the administration work


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**EvoV**:	The 3 numbers I like to report whenever I'm doing gov stuff -> Last week's tax income. Weekly upkeep cost. Cash on hand.


[13-Apr-25 06:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**EvoV**:	I think with those 3 numbers reported each, it keeps the finances transparent and lets you do whatever you need to do as a gov without having to get bogged down with sharing/reporting too much detail.


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**Lapras**:	Taxes got raised.


[14-Apr-25 01:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Lapras**:	This is a tragedy


[14-Apr-25 02:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	Oh no... it adds 10 AIC per production line... *puts out calculator*... that's 2.5 AIC per AL :O


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**shakk**:	oh the humanity


[14-Apr-25 02:22 PM] ApexChat#8127
**eminence32**:	or 4.5 AIC per unit of AL.  given that it costs about 450 AIC to produce that unit of AL, this is about a 1% tax


[14-Apr-25 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	Just to provide a bit of context. The tax income per week is around 780k AIC. I just contributed 1.5m in upkeep goods for the COGC / POPi.


[14-Apr-25 02:42 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	It's fairly common for the weekly contributions to exceed 1m. I'd be keen to tune down the taxes if it turns out they're excessive relative to the costs, but we weren't in that position with the prior tax configuration.


[14-Apr-25 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127
**eminence32**:	i'm of the opinion that governments should always run a tiny surplus


[14-Apr-25 02:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	let's normalise profitable goverments already


[14-Apr-25 02:45 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	i'm of the opinion of a healthy surplus, enough to cover infrastructure upgrades


[14-Apr-25 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	Make Deimos great again!


[14-Apr-25 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	*throws rotting oranges at px*


[14-Apr-25 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	xD


[14-Apr-25 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	sorry, had to


[14-Apr-25 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	isn't that the opposite of his lines?


[14-Apr-25 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	doesn't he want to reduce tax?


[14-Apr-25 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	(don't add tarifs, pls)


[14-Apr-25 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	yes, 200% cost to trade with vulcan >.<


[14-Apr-25 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	oh noooo


[14-Apr-25 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	Creating a motion for zero rate tariff on electronics imports from Phobos


[14-Apr-25 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	200% tarifs on IDC imports


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[14-Apr-25 08:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**EvoV**:	< I approve of the tax increase. Too many planets run too lean and then get pop-drops or get locked into perma running festivities because they don't have the cash needed to upgrade infrastructure.


[14-Apr-25 11:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Lapras**:	I am the original person wwho made the tax comment:


[14-Apr-25 11:05 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Lapras**:	It was  a joke


[15-Apr-25 12:55 AM] ApexChat#8127
**ScooshMaster**:	nice


[15-Apr-25 11:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Are _you_ a new Deimos citizen watching your meager workforce struggle to pry ore out of the ground with their fingers? Filling balloons with dilute O2? Sitting on rocks hoping to smelt them with body heat? Have you ever thought to yourself, "Oh, if only I could transform that dirt to construction materials with the power of friendship?"


[15-Apr-25 11:42 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	If so, the DNPC may be just for you! It's a production cooperative that mines & refines on Deimos and turns those goods into BBH and BSE, which are split between the members as payout. We're currently looking for someone to take over a ALO/O mining operation on Deimos!


[15-Apr-25 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pomme_de_Terroriste**:	Must have pro, as transactions are handled by contracts. Expectations are that you supply the workforce consumables, but no ALO/O transport is required, so overhead is low. PM me or just ask if you're interested/have questions.


[15-Apr-25 11:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**tarrant33**:	Can confirm, its legit, though I may be biased


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**Katinga**:	will there be cookies?


[16-Apr-25 03:16 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	just beets


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**Lapras**:	It is dawning on me that some of these faction contracts are bad.


[16-Apr-25 05:51 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Lapras**:	Like sir you are asking for 7.5k in MCG and paying me 7K for it...


[16-Apr-25 06:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	they get worse


[16-Apr-25 06:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	i've seen conts ask me for 40k+ worth of stuff and reward was like 10k


[16-Apr-25 06:18 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	ish


[16-Apr-25 06:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**eminence32**:	just wait until you get a HQ upgrade contract or a shipbuilding contracts


[16-Apr-25 06:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Katinga**:	You can decline them, though


[16-Apr-25 06:38 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Katinga**:	Don't take a cont for items you don't make.


[16-Apr-25 06:39 PM] ApexChat#8127
**eminence32**:	yes indeed.  only accept the contracts if they are profitable for you


[16-Apr-25 06:41 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Katinga**:	really, though, Lapras ANT is pretty active as an area.  You'd do better to join a local Corp that'll help you.  those faction contracts are a waste of time


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**ChacChac**:	Chac Chac


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[16-Apr-25 11:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	Welcome new folks! You should all definitely check out the Antares Development Initiative. You can join the discord here: https://discord.gg/fWSz2EFf This is a regional group that gives out 1 mil AIC grants to new players with Pro who are building up the Antares region


[16-Apr-25 11:09 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Archiel**:	We also help you out planning your first couple bases, and it's a great place to ask questions


[17-Apr-25 06:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	What's a... protractor?


[17-Apr-25 06:27 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	And why is it free?


[17-Apr-25 07:03 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	oh no, you've made me feel old


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**CptColeslaw**:	oof


[17-Apr-25 12:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Katinga**:	protractor?!  Where's my TI-85!


[17-Apr-25 12:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Harkenn**:	Had literally never heard of the 85. Only the 83, 83+, 84, and 89.


[17-Apr-25 12:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Harkenn**:	Oh and I think there were Ti versions too that just looked nicer?


[17-Apr-25 12:29 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Harkenn**:	Should've typed out titanium


[17-Apr-25 12:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Katinga**:	I had a TI-83 in HS and college.  had to get an 85 when I took calc


[17-Apr-25 12:30 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Katinga**:	some kids got to use Casios


[17-Apr-25 12:33 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Katinga**:	Look at the bright side!  It's advanced education!  That means we can ditch our stupid recorders from jr. high!


[17-Apr-25 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Harkenn**:	Yeah I passed Calc 3 and 4 mostly because my professor didn't crack down on my use of an 89, which can do pretty much everything up to diff geometry (which was broken out into its own set of classes thankfully)


[17-Apr-25 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Harkenn**:	Also ran Doom in color


[17-Apr-25 01:11 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Harkenn**:	Actually I must be misremembering, apparently the 89 wasn't in color


[17-Apr-25 04:23 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	so it's a calculator?


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[17-Apr-25 07:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Harkenn**:	The TI 83/84/85/89 are, but a protractor is not a calculator


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**Ciro**:	who tryna run subway surfers on their ti-84


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[19-Apr-25 12:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Hal98**:	there is a TI-89 color version there was a thicker one and then newer iterations made it thinning i think


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[19-Apr-25 05:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	Hi folks, I've prepared an open ledger to give everyone a bit of visibility of the income / expenditure to operate the planetary government. I'm not going to commit to maintaining it indefinitely, but will trial it for the current term of the government. If you're interested you can find it here: https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/r/deimos


[19-Apr-25 08:56 PM] ApexChat#8127
**LargeFoot**:	Thanks, this is pretty cool 👌


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**ScooshMaster**:	My second shipment to ANT will be ready to auto provision in 5 hours


[20-Apr-25 09:54 AM] ApexChat#8127
**ScooshMaster**:	(the top/more recent one)


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[20-Apr-25 01:06 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kamikasa**:	Anyone got 16x BSE and 100X MCG i will Pay 35000 AIC


[20-Apr-25 01:24 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	sadly i only have the MCG


[20-Apr-25 01:27 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kamikasa**:	how much if you send it to me?


[20-Apr-25 01:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	oh, you're a COLIQ?


[20-Apr-25 01:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kamikasa**:	what do you mean??


[20-Apr-25 01:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	you just restarted?


[20-Apr-25 01:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kamikasa**:	yes needed to find out first what business i want to start


[20-Apr-25 01:35 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	how far did you get before?


[20-Apr-25 01:37 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kamikasa**:	i havent played in ages but havent been far but i am determined and eager to give it my best get this company all i can


[20-Apr-25 01:55 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kamikasa**:	Anyone dealing in construction Prefabs?? Can i get a Quote for BSE x6, BBH x4, BDE x4. Delivered to me ?


[20-Apr-25 02:03 PM] ApexChat#8127
**TRUEnterprises**:	uh, yeah, you just buy those on the CX and ship yourself


[20-Apr-25 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Kamikasa**:	The Problem with that is i have to wait ages to have it on my planet


[20-Apr-25 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	That is the nature of the game, yes


[20-Apr-25 04:34 PM] ApexChat#8127
**eminence32**:	if you pay above market rates and put a long deadline, someone will probably supply the materials


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[21-Apr-25 06:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	Evening folks, I've updated the governance tracker with the data from last week: https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/r/deimos . tl;dr; income 1.1m, outgoings 330k, cash on hand 1.5m, debit 2.4m.


[21-Apr-25 06:02 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	We'll see the first full week following the tax changes this week, after which we'll know if the income now meets the upkeep demands.


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**Kamikasa**:	What would be the condition of a loan?


[22-Apr-25 03:48 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Ravick**:	All the normal stuff - first born child, etc.


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**Katinga**:	You have to sign the contract in blood, too


[23-Apr-25 06:51 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MarauderW**:	TFIN recommends signing without looking at the underlining 34 page disclosure agreement, in order to save time! TFIN: Just sign it, if it was important, the font would be bigger!


[23-Apr-25 09:39 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Ravick**:	@Kamikasa - go to the UFO discord to get more info on loan offers


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[28-Apr-25 03:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	Evening folks, I've again updated the governance tracker with the financials from the last week: https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/r/deimos


[28-Apr-25 03:59 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	Income: 958k, Outgoings 1,500k, Cash Balance: 930k, Debit: 2,562.


[28-Apr-25 04:00 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	I'm not minded to make further tax changes at this point to deal with the deficit, as we're soon to have a balance patch that will reduce the upkeep costs. This should enable the debt to repaid, but will see when it hits.


[29-Apr-25 04:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MarauderW**:	Akyan, is there any chance we can make the COG from metallurgy to resource extraction?


[29-Apr-25 04:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MarauderW**:	nevermind I am the only one who wants it xD


[29-Apr-25 07:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	Why should we? Lots of established Metallurgy industry here.


[29-Apr-25 07:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Dyeus_Phter**:	You can vote on each COGC. If you managed to convince enough voters or everyone else forgot to vote you COULD change COGC to resource extraction


[29-Apr-25 07:49 AM] ApexChat#8127
**eminence32**:	indeed, it's possible to change cogc, but it's quite hard in practice


[29-Apr-25 08:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	if you're in need of a good ALO location that IS resource extraction, you need to go to Nascent


[29-Apr-25 08:13 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Tanda**:	It has exactly what you need


[29-Apr-25 10:41 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MarauderW**:	Thanks everyone, Tanda!


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[29-Apr-25 01:49 PM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	Yeah, Nascent is definitely the way to go for ALO extraction. :)


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**MarauderW**:	ty Akyan ;)


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**MrPoncho**:	hi there, this planet was an advice for starting a farm. is it true?


[30-Apr-25 04:59 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MrPoncho**:	the production time is higher


[30-Apr-25 05:00 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MrPoncho**:	far higher


[30-Apr-25 05:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	Nah, this isn't a good farming planet...


[30-Apr-25 05:08 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	It's good for smelting metals


[30-Apr-25 05:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	Many starter players start here with the ALO -> AL chain


[30-Apr-25 05:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Willger**:	^^ Deimos is a metalurgy planet, you get bonus at metalurgy, you can put up a farm here but I do not recommend it


[30-Apr-25 05:09 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MrPoncho**:	ok thx


[30-Apr-25 05:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MrPoncho**:	so i coliq


[30-Apr-25 05:10 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MrPoncho**:	coliq


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[30-Apr-25 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Akyan**:	Harmonia it the best spot for a starter farm planet in ANT space


[30-Apr-25 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Zenver**:	This game seems pretty slow paced just starting off. Is that an accurate representation of the normal game play? I guess I'm used to mobile games that try to suck you in with quick activity at the start then slow down.


[30-Apr-25 09:33 AM] ApexChat#8127
**TRUEnterprises**:	this one starts slow, then gives you more as you grow


[30-Apr-25 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127
**TRUEnterprises**:	of course, if you wanna go fast other players will loan you credits to expand


[30-Apr-25 09:35 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Flowers**:	if im making metal should i make an extractor for the oxygen or just buy oxygen?


[30-Apr-25 09:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**TRUEnterprises**:	While Deimos's oxygen levels are profitable, it's probably more profitable for you to focus on making more metal


[30-Apr-25 09:37 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Flowers**:	ty


[30-Apr-25 09:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**TRUEnterprises**:	and since you are probably heading to planet with a mostly empty ship, it's not putting undue strain on your logistics to just buy the O2


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**Vivas911**:	Hi :3


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**Ravick**:	Welcome


[30-Apr-25 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127
**jab416171**:	howdy


[30-Apr-25 05:15 PM] ApexChat#8127
**ScooshMaster**:	greetings


[01-May-25 02:45 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MarauderW**:	heya!


[01-May-25 04:30 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MrPoncho**:	hi there, need some help: my ship goes to antares 1 comodety exc. if i trade some goods there and my ship is not there, its not a prob?


[01-May-25 04:31 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MrPoncho**:	have to pay storrage tax or so?


[01-May-25 05:19 AM] ApexChat#8127
**zillatron**:	@MrPoncho you can rent warehouse space at ANT, put this command into a buffer: WAR ANT


[01-May-25 05:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**zillatron**:	if you don’t have a warehouse or a ship there, the goods will get stored in a contract automatically


[01-May-25 05:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MrPoncho**:	i have a q:


[01-May-25 05:20 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MrPoncho**:	all employees who consume consumer goods, or only those who are effectively employed. I have 200 pioneers, but only 110 of them are in production


[01-May-25 05:22 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MrPoncho**:	oh thx, so i wait till the ship ist there before i trade goods.


[01-May-25 05:23 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MrPoncho**:	i didnt noticed its the same chat :D


[01-May-25 06:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	If you buy something at the CX, and you don't a ship docked or warehouse storage rented, then you'll receive a contract with the bought materials you can pickup later.


[01-May-25 06:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MrPoncho**:	;P


[01-May-25 06:46 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	Ah, @Zillatron beat me to it


[01-May-25 06:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	As far as I know all employed workers will consume goods. But you shouldn't employ more then you need


[01-May-25 06:48 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	Even if you're production line isn't making anything, the workers still need food, water and clothes


[01-May-25 07:15 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MrPoncho**:	thx, Pxlfox, But only the number that are actually employed or needed on the production line


[01-May-25 07:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	You should have in your workforce overview the required (what your production line needs), the current (what you actually employed) and the capacity (how much you could fit with the habitats you build).


[01-May-25 07:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	The current workforce is what consumes goofd.


[01-May-25 07:38 AM] ApexChat#8127
**Pxlfox**:	* goods


[01-May-25 07:53 AM] ApexChat#8127
**MarauderW**:	they do be goofy tho


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[01-May-25 10:01 AM] ApexChat#8127
**jcheung9941**:	if you have 110 worker demand and housing for 200, it will consume 110 worth, not 200


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